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Venture I always thought you were in the Pro AE crowd...
Now your arcs get bombed if they contain self rezzers and ambushes? The options are dwindling. -
Not including Spiderman: TAS is a crime.
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They can all do all of the above (Except pvp) extremely well.
My Crab has an AOE spec and a single target spec used for killing GMs. I usually stay in the AOE spec and kill GMs anyway - it is usually easier to spend the extra couple of mins kiling it than running off and changing specs.
BTW when it comes to speed of GM soloing, my single target Crab is the fastest, Traps/Sonic the second and AOE Crab is a distant third. They all get the job done.
The biggest problem trying to solo a GM on an AOE Crab is they are prone to running and because you cannot control your pets, you have to chase the GM down and while doing so, your pets find other morsels to eat - it gets very frustrating.
Anyway, I love my Crab a whole lot more than my Traps/Sonic. My account went premium the others day and after going back to ViP, you have to manually unlock all the characters. As of today, only three have been unlocked: my Crab, my farmer and my pvper.
Screw the Traps/Sonic. -
Quote:This is true for a premade.Originally Posted by _Velociteh_
It's to show you that even without TS and HD, teams can consistantly rack up large amounts of kills in 10 minutes. This would translate over to zone in a lot of ways. Most of the kills in those matches happened quick enough that most zoners wouldn't have time to run 10 feet let alone go back to base. Getting kills without TS and HD is still very viable, I would say even more so in zone than in arena because zone is so much bigger.
when you can call a target and all focus fire it, no amount of healing is going to keep it alive.
What about the casual players who aren't on vent or aren't even teamed and most certainly not calling targets. How do you think they would fare? -
One thing worth mentioning is the fact that it is inadvisable to be a non-villain as a Dom and that sounds exactly what you intend.
The Frenzy alignment power is an absolute must have for a Dominator and it is pure villain only.
It gives you 100% domination so you can initiate perma-dom before you get into combat. -
What about when you factor in the 3 mag protection you get from certain PVP IO set bonuses?
Is 3 as good as 4? Is 11 as good as 12? -
Yes.
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Quote:Not sure it counts as it isn't sustainable.Originally Posted by MajorTractor
A thugs/sonic MM using burnout for double gang war. 26 pets is probably going to be pretty hard to beat.
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Quote:This isn't entirely true.Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
you will not lose any slots that you bought or earned
so if you got 2 from being 2 year vet, bought 5, and had GR before freedom release (another 2 slots) you would keep all of those in addition to the 2 free slots which are given to all players (free players start with 2 total character slots)
so as a returning player with (my example) you would have the 2 global slots, then 2+5+2 for a total of 11 slots (note: this is based off of the example i gave and i have no idea how many slots you would actually have)
you wont have as many slots as a VIP but you can still have a good number of slots as a returning player
My sub ran out last night and I took a look before I resubbed.
I had a total of 9 character slots available to me. I have bought 5 so I am thinking 2 from GR, 5 character slots and 2 freebies. I don't think you get to keep the veteran slots. -
Quote:As I said, the gap isn't closed: it is narrowed.Originally Posted by prophet_8
You are mistaken. I invite you to try it. No gap is closed
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Quote:As I said, whether TS and HD is on or not, premades will dominate.Originally Posted by LuxunS
Do you really believe TS and HD would close the gap between a random team and a premade? Also, why would someone who PvPs want the game to have a ruleset that would remove the benefits of organized play?
The thing is, turning HD and TS off favours a premade far more than it does the casual. The power of healing is magnified a great deal when you can call for heals over vent/TS/whatever your chat program of choice is.
HD and TS remove one tiny advantage and give the casuals a chance - not much of a chance but at least a chance.
It doesn't make a great deal of difference against a premade but seriously, do the premades really feel the need to try and stack even more odds in their favour? -
A good premade will destroy the casual every time. That isn't news.
i13 was designed to make pvp more accessible to the casual (which is the primary aim of ALL the pvp orientated games - of course they all fail) and that is exactly what it did. Seeing screenshots of your premades are meaningless.
How about you take your premade (with heals) and take it against a team of completely random pvpers of completely random ATs. Choose an open map, turn off both TS and HD and if they fare well, you will have proven your point.
Otherwise, you are just advocating the need for the perfect team balance which isn't something any form of pvp should be striving for. PVP in CoH is currently already too inaccessible to the casual with it's differing rules and such, trying to make the problem even worse doesn't seem like the most positive change in the world.
If you want the use of pvp to increase, don't try to change it to cater for your needs, try to change it to cater for the needs of those that could be convinced to give it a shot. -
Quote:I expressed the same complaint back when these things were first revealed.Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Now that I've seen those bonuses my main concern isn't the heal in the Defender one, it's that these "Pay to Get" items give a better Recharge bonus than any other Set Bonus in the game bar Purples.
Getting a mite sick of this new approach of PS and NCSoft. I don't mind comparable items being sold for real money, but better lewt if you pay is pretty much exactly why I lost a lot of respect for Bioware (and didn't buy their last game or it's DLC).
Back then the "overly optimistic" players declared it doesn't matter because those sets are free to all ViPs because we get free points each month.
It is funny how the "overly optimistic" use that same excuse for every complaint about prices. If it were true for every thread they cite that excuse, we would have to be getting a couple of thousand free points each month. -
I have a sonic defender and a FF defender, neither of which have any heals.
The thing is I just simply don't care about missing out on one minor bonus. If you look at the rest of the sets in this game, they all have crappy set bonuses you either choose to deal with or don't.
we have already been taught to ignore useless set bonuses and I am happy to continue doing so.
If I were going to complain about any of the sets, I am going to complain about the Kheldian one. Two of the set bonuses and the set's unique ability increase resists on a class that easily runs around with capped resists? I don't even have a Kheld and that bothers me. -
Quote:When you begin any sentence with "I think he had a right to be aggressive" you immediately become wrong.Originally Posted by _Velociteh_
I think he had a right to be aggressive with you because it seems like you are speaking about a subject you don't know much about but are acting like you have any right to be an authority on.
About the latter half, I don't know you. So I have to assume you don't know me, so don't make assumptions about what I do or don't know and I most certainly don't pretend to be an authority on anything. After re-reading the thread, I seem to be the only person to have made any considerations to the opinion of the opposing argument.
The conclusion I came to on the last page:
Is the only of it's kind in this thread. Everyone else seems to be stuck on the "I am right, you are wrong" sentiment. Strictly speaking, it all comes down to personal preference. How can anyone's preference be wrong? I am amazed how people think they have the right to tell others otherwise.Quote:This line stands out to me above all others in this thread.
I think I finally understand the argument between the pro TS and HD crowd and the anti TS and HC crowd.
It is simply a fundamental difference of mentality, it is the difference of an agressive player and a defensive player.
Currently with TS and HD implemented, you think getting a kill is too easy. I think that with them removed, staying alive would be too easy.
After reading your post, I now understand that no-one is wrong. -
Quote:This I'll comment on, in my experience (and really my experience could be an abberation and far from the norm but that isn't likely) the opposite of what you said is true.Originally Posted by _Velociteh_
Also, on the subject of why PvE'ers don't PvP: It has nothing to do with the elitist attitudes of certain PvPers. That's a copout excuse, all games with PvP have cocky PvPers who think they are better than everyone else. The reason is that in order to PvP you have to relearn how you play the game if you have only PvE'd in this game, and also the way you build toons for PvE vs. PvP is radically different. It's always kind of been this way, but the PvP/PvE portions of this game are entirely seperate, both by community and game mechanics. Most PvE'ers bring their pimped out PvE build into a PvP zone thinking "This build wrecks face in PvE, should do decent in PvP" only to find that their awesome PvE toon is useless in PvP, and promptly give up, rightly so.
I love pvp and my background is more dominated by other purely pvp games, with that said, I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to get my friends in this game to join me in pvp. I won't deny that some cite i13 as their reason for refusing to join me but the significant majority of my friends have never tried pvp and refuse to ever give it an attempt. The latter group all state the same reaosn "The Epeen factor" (well actually they don't refer to it quite like that, they usually refer to those who have mastered the art of epeen with terms the rules won't allow me to repeat).
As to the rest of the post, I am having trouble commenting because my own "epeen" factor is getting involved and I don't want to be a hipocrit. I will say this, in those other games that are purely pvp focused that I am more experienced with, they quickly discovered that unlimited healing + mobility destroys balance.
If you want HD or TS removed, pick one to champion. Removing both makes survival far too easy. -
Quote:I'm not sure what you are trying to say with that first sentence exactly so I cannot respond to it. It simply isn't good english.Originally Posted by DaveMebs
By the way, if you think that you think that people who want TS and HD removed, please show us. If this is the case, it sounds like you, Warkupo, and Dahjee would easily be able to handle a 3v3 against members of WARE.gov !!
The second part is more important.
The main deterrent to participating in pvp from the pve community is the "Epeen" factor. They know nothing of the mechanics and know not what to hate, all they know is they want nothing to do with the "Epeen" factor that you seem to have mastered. This isn't the first time you have chosen to turn this thread into your own personal challenge finder.
This thread is intended to discuss the pros and cons of TS and HD intelligently. Instead of choosing to treat this thread with the intelligence and respect it deserves, you have chosen the path of aggression.
People that choose that path are exactly the reason a majority of the playerbase refuse to give pvp a genuine try.
Please keep your epeen out of this thread, you make us all look bad and perpetuate the biggest deterrent from pvp that this game has.
Be respectful. -
Quote:What I mean to say is that there are two reasons someone could want change:Originally Posted by Xanatos
Please elaborate on this.
1) People can't play the system and make the rules don't work in their favour and they get destroyed.
2) People can play the system and make the rules work in their favour and they do the destroying but seek a greater challenge.
Logically, those in group num1 one have to out-number those in group two. If everyone were working the system efficiently, then we would all already be challenged. -
Quote:Logic dictates those who know how to play the system are those that are happy with the system. If they didn't know how to play it, they would be screaming for changes to make it better suit what they are capable of. Kind of like this thread...Originally Posted by Xanatos
Regardless; When it comes to PVP, the devs will always cater to the clueless whiners that don't know how to play the system. This is because the devs themselves fall into this category. Thus any feedback has to come from the perspective of clueless whiners in order for the dev team to understand it.
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I don't really want staff melee to have spear options. Halberds are fine.
If I am using a spear, I want it to be compatible with a shield as it has been used all throughout history.
I am assuming the staff set will be two-handed and incompatible with shields. -
Quote:This is pretty much the perfect advice.Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
When in doubt, roll a Corruptor! Except when it's Sonic Blast, then go with the Defender.
Except when you want Sonic/Kin or Sonic/Pain mind you. -
No-one can advise you on what is skippable in Titan Weapons...
None of us have any clue on what the set is going to look like.
Due to the nature of it's activation times getting faster and faster, I would suspect you would need a whole lot of attacks to keep a fluid attack chain when they are animating as fast as lightning (assuming the mechanic makes much of a difference at all).
When it comes to Titan Weapons, the wait and see approach is all we can do. -
Sorry to hi-jack this thread but Linna's pointing out of the redraw inspired me to change the build a little to get back some of that lost DPS. I traded in Wolf Spider Armor for the second Assault (which is something I should have been doing anyway in hindsight) to get this build:
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The DPS calculations are now as follows:
Chain: Venom Grenade > Burst > Bayonet > Shatter Armor > Burst > Bayonet (10.42s
+ 1.2s redraw = 11.62s)
Venom Grenade: 149 x 1.6 = 238.4 + (28.7 x 1.4) = 278.58
Burst: 283.1 x 1.4 = 396.34
Bayonet: 368.4 x 1.4 = 515.76
Shatter Armor: 466.6 x 1.4 = 653.24
Total Damage (2756.02) / time (11.62s) = 237.179 x accuracy (0.95) = 225.32 dps + Reactive Procs + Achilles Proc + Gaussian's Proc + pet damage
Adding in the second assault didn't really increase the DPS a whole lot but it does increase the DPS of the 6 pets too which I think will be a great improvement.
Thank you for the inspiration Linna (and to the OP too). -
Quote:I don't know how you think the chain isn't gapless?Originally Posted by Linea_Alba
Giant:
- Your chain isn't gapless, so you need to calculate in a more complex chain either filling the gaps or accounting for the gaps in some other way.
- You may have used numbers that included a build-up proc going off, which will give false results.
- Double Redraw nullifies the advantage of using Shatter Armor. You'll suffer redraw to pull out the mace, then additional redraw to pull the guns back out.
The chain is over 10s long, which is considerably longer than the recharge of the two single used attacks of Venom Grenade and Shatter Armor, the recharge of Burst is shorter than the combined activation times of both Bayonet and Shatter Armor and Bayonet and Venom Grenade. The recharge of Bayonet is shorter than the combined activation times of both Burst/Venom Grenade and Burst/Shatter Armor.
I don't know if you miscalculated somewhere or mids bugged out the data chunk but the build has more recharge than required for the chain I provided.
The damage quoted is without any BU proc but it does include Musculature. I think your numbers are different because you forgot to toggle it on.
You do have a valid point about the redraw, that increases the chain length by 1.2s and lowers the DPS to 214.36 + reactive procs + achilles procs + pet damage.
Edit: After looking at your numbers some more, it also seems you are only accounting for a 20% resistance debuff. Between Venom Grenade and Shatter Armor, you are looking at a 40% resistance debuff to all attacks but venom grenade which gets a 60% debuff to it's damage type and needs to be calculated seperately from it's procs (as I did a few posts up). -
Quote:Ageless. Ageless cures endurance issues like Cardiac wishes it could and it gives a nice recharge boost of an average of just over 20%.Originally Posted by boppaholic
I really like the build. Granted you have no AoE other than Venom grenade, which let's face it, that's there for the debuff more than the AoE damage. But I was shocked, perma-everything, awesome ST damage, and softcapped. Makes me want to rethink my build. I do wonder though, what is your solution for endurance consumption during long GM fights? But wow, taking a second look at Serum... how has nobody laughed me off when I skipped that? +60% HP and it heals... that's gold. Alright, gonna go back to the drawing board...