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The only problem is that this is the intended role for controllers. Though I think we're at the point now where rocking the boat is just a bad idea.

I disagree. Both ATs are already significantly better than others. There's a reason why the old LRSF team of choice was 1 brute and 7 corruptors.

I'm not sure what type of hypothetical situation we're discussing here, but the point I was making is that radiation emission can apply its -res and will never have to reapply it throughout a prolonged fight. This is a luxury that other sets with superior -res do not have.
Sonic blast's nature makes it very difficult to accurately estimate damage output, so I don't know what set would actually be the best.

Oh in that case you've pretty much succeeded at that goal. If you mentioned it I didn't see it, but it might be worth mentioning that all heals will break sleep, though the argument could be made that that's irrelevant when considering a powerset on its own.

Seems that way to me. Biggest difference is playstyle.

If we get the Eden map, I'm going to cry. My team's been lucky enough to get the hollows tunnel map a few times during the league and it just made me feel sorry for the other team. Though one of those times was against a team with two storm defenders, so that map was just as favorable for them as it was for us.

By the way, the 20-0 score looks one sided, but there were a bunch of times where we were low on health and barely hanging on. There were two seperate times where Mike and I were both below half health, and at one point Mike's health was so low that I couldn't see his health bar. We definitely fought harder in that match than we did in the others.

By the way, has anyone else been keeping track of their team's individual kill and defeat totals? I was keeping track of mine's, but my computer blew up and I had to get a new one, so all I have now is our death totals.

I thought your argument was that the difference in corruptor damage potential is too large compared to the difference in defender support potential.

Hey remember that part of this thread where I proved that less than half (five out of eleven) of the buff/debuff modifiers have a 25% advantage for defenders?

I checked it out and it looks like you're right.

Defender Enervating Field: -30% res -25% dam
Corruptor Enervating Field: -22.5% res -20% dam

30/22.5 = 133%
25/20 = 125%

Defender Radiation Infection: -31.3% def -31.3% tohit
Corruptor Radiation Infection: -25% def -25% tohit

31.3/25 = 125%

Defender Ice Shield: 15% defense
Corruptor Ice Shield: 11.3% defense

15/11.3 = 133%

Defender Sonic Barrier: 20% resistance
Corruptor Sonic Barrier: 15% resistance

20/15 = 133%

Defender O2 Boost: 176.7 HP
Corruptor O2 Boost: 155.5 HP

176.6/155.5 = 114%

Defender Snow Storm: 62.5% slow
Corruptor Snow Storm: 50% slow

62.5/50 = 125%

Defender Accelerate Metabolism: 25% dam
Corruptor Accelerate Metabolism: 20% dam

25/20 = 125%

The Breakdown:
Modifiers for which defenders have a 33% advantage: resistance debuffing, defense buffing, and resistance buffing. (3)
Modifiers for which defenders have a 25% advantage: damage debuffing, defense debuffing, tohit debuffing, speed debuffing, and damage buffing. (5)

Recharge buffs and endurance drain seem to be using the same values, though I doubt many people care about the latter.

However, I think that saying that scourge is a 12% damage buff isn't accurate. Scourge has a habit of causing wasted overkill: damage far over the enemy's remaining hp total which doesn't actually help you at all. The proper way of measuring scourge's benefit would be to see how likely it is to come into effect on attacks in which a normal non-scourge attack would not have killed the enemy. This is a value that varies greatly depending on enemy rank, level difference, and powerset. Because of these variables, I think any attempt to show scourge's benefit in numbers, while interesting, won't really reflect how it works in game.

It's both simpler and more accurate to say "Corruptors deal 15% more damage than defenders, and they also have scourge which becomes more useful the tougher your enemies are."

How long does it take to get all that out though? It pains me to say it, but I think radiation might be best since its -res is in toggle form.

In the way things currently work, don't corruptors currently deal 15% more damage (not counting scourge) than defenders while defenders have support values that are 33% higher?

And here you can see that this guy is an idiot.

Oh wait, sorry. Thought these were the defender forums. >.>

If you want to be survivable, I suggest taking aid self. Unless the powerset you choose already has a self heal that is.

The fighting pool should probably be avoided. It has some use with certain powersets and/or once you get high enough to get an ancillary power pool shield, but in most situations tough and weave aren't worth it on a defender.

I have three defenders. The ones not in my signature are energy blast and ice blast. The energy is 50 and the ice is 34.