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Quote:While I agree that Ninja Run is awesome for eliminating the need for a power pick to get a travel power, IOing out a toon for Defense keeps the travel power more than viable for it's ability to slot BotZ in them, and I always end up grabbing at least one.Originally Posted by Hejtmane
Ninja run all the way so now I get to take more of what I want -
I tend to go with SS for reasons already stated; Hasten and the ability to Stealth missions with a Stealth IO. I always take Hurdle, and then use either the bank mission jet pack, the Jump Pack from the Good vs. Evil edition, or turn on Ninja Run. I rarely run into an issue.
My wife, however, is a SJ junkie. She hates the limited vertical on SS, and, though she has a few toons with TP, it's too clicky for her. -
Quote:Quite true. I think I got fixated on Fire/ due to the prior points about it's better AoE potential.Originally Posted by MunkiLord
Why not just do DM/SR instead of Fire/SR? You get siphon life and an excellent attack chain. Besides, MunkiLord is DM/SR and I love him. Though I don't think /SR is the right answer in general.
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Quote:Agreed on /Invuln. My wife's BS/Invuln is extremely tough fully IO'd out, but the Psi hole is quite terrible on certain mobs/AVs. As an alternative, if you can't get 95% DDR, soft-cap, and Aid Self in a Fire/Shield, then perhaps Fire/SR. Mine's IO'd out and has no issues with AVs as long they aren't immune/highly resistant to fire. With /SR, you have no psi hole, soft-capping and attaining 95% DDR is easy while still squeezing in Aid Self. The downside is that /SR doesn't have /Shield's AAO for the higher ST damage and Shield Charge, which is immensely fun.Originally Posted by Werner
Yeah, DM/Invuln has the record for simultaneous dev AVs soloed no temps no insps. I can't remember the number. Something insane like 8 or 9. It has awesome survivability in its element. But as you say, psi hole, lacking in AoE, and merely good DPS.
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I'll second Fire/Shield with Aid Self. It's survivability isn't quite as high as DM/Shield, due to SL, and using Aid Self will lower your DPS, but SD won't be killing your AAO fodder, so it's got a bit better sustainability during long fights while still maintaining excellent DPS.
As a caveat, I don't know how easy soft-capping and keeping 95% DDR is on a Fire/Shield if your taking the Medicine Pool, so this is something I'd have to play around in Mids to find out. Failing this, I'd say DM/Shield as SL will assist immensely with survivability and allow you to keep attacking. The only issue is reliable fodder for SD and AAO being around without specifically preparing for it. This holds especially true in a teaming situation as the team wil likely destroy the minions/Lts before you're done killing the Boss/EB/AV.
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Quote:I could squeeze out 15% more recharge and still remain softcapped with over 95% DDR(with liberal use of HOs), but for the few seconds shaved off Hasten and SD, I don't think the trade-offs are worth it.Originally Posted by Santorican
Here is a new concept build, I'm not entirely sold on it though. It has a Soul Drain that is slotted for only accuracy and recharge, but by doing so my recharge gets nuked by 37.5% which translate to a slower recharging everything lol meaning Siphon life isn't up as often as I'd like it to be and hasten has a 17 second down time which is no bueno. Anyway if you can see anyway of keeping the soft cap with keeping the same slotting for siphon life as well as soul drain I will give you a whopping 1 influence
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Quote:The enhancement values in a power do stay the same, to a point. They are reduced by a scaling percentage depending on the variance between your actual level and the level you exemplar to.Originally Posted by Mercator
So there's something i've been meaning to confirm. Am I to understand, that when exemplaring you no longer keep the set bonuses from your IO's?
You at least keep the enhancement modifiers, right? Is this new?
Procs will function regardless of their level as long as you have access to the power.
As far as set bonuses and globals that act as set bonuses(Such as the Steadfast +Def), they will function up to three levels lower than the level of the enhancements that comprise them. So, for example, if you have a full set of Crushing Impacts in an attack and 4 of them are level 34, one is 35, and one is 41; set bonuses for the first four will be applied down to exemplar level 31 or higher, the fifth tier set bonus will be applied if you exemplar to level 32 or higher, and the sixth set bonus will be applied if you exemplar down to level 38 or higher. Even if you do not have access to the power when exemplared, the set bonuses from the lost powers still function as long as they are within these strictures.
Essentially, if you know you want to exemplar down to certain level and maintain all set bonuses, purchase IOs that are no higher than three above the level you want them to function at, except procs, which you can use any level of.
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Skip Slash. Get Slice - it has a 130 degree arc, which is easy to saturate, especially if you happen to pull into a corner/box/etc, and since you'll be soft-capping Melee Def, you won't actually need Parry, eventually.
If you're looking at getting IO sets, you can start slotting them at 37. Touch of Death level-caps at 40, so they are excellent to acquire for the final grind to 50 and help your melee def. I also generally slot Oblits in HS and Whirling Sword for the melee Def as well, and a GSFC set in Build Up. The extra few % to get level 50 Oblits/GSFC isn't going to make a noticeable difference.
Also, I would consider getting Focused Senses earlier. It's 20%+ Ranged Def will assist in survival if you happen to exemplar for Posi.
Here's a build I threw together quickly, take what you will from it. It stays soft-capped even if you slot down to level 30 IO sets(for exemplaring down to level 27 if you go this route), +95% DDR, has +95% Acc vs. +4 mobs, It can run the Hack > HS > Hack > Disembowel chain(which is the best DPS chain), 306% regen, sustainable endurance, and only 6.2 seconds from perma-Hasten. I did use purples, and I stuck in the PVP IO FotG: Chance for Res Debuff in HS. Feel free to replace this with a damage proc due to expense.
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Quote:Either will solo fine. It really depends on what you want to focus on.Originally Posted by Verren
I have it narrowed down to DM/? or Elec/? I'll go either /SD or /WP.
Thanks!
DM has far greater ST damage and is lacking in AoE, whereas Elec/ is the direct opposite. DM has SL's heal for added survivability built into it's ST attack chain, which helps if you choose a Defensive-based secondary like /Shields. Elec/ does have some decent soft-control in it's sleep/knockdown effects. It's really going to depend heavily on if you want to excel at St or AoE. Pairing DM/ with /Shields can help balance matters due to Shield Charge. -
Quote:As far as survivability, either will be fine as long as you invest enough to softcap defense and get your DDR to a respectable level. What's respectable? For AV soloing and debuffing issues, you want to get to 95% for optimal survivability and to avoid casacading defense failure. For strictly farming purposes, it's not as important to hit the 95%, but I do it anyways because I am OCD about survivability.Originally Posted by Bikerbabe
My Supergroup is going back and forth on the 'numbers' for which scrapz has the better AoE potential/survivability. Right now it is down to elec/sd and fire/sd. Would someone who has the math down please comment so we can put this dead horse away once and for all!
Thanks.
As far as specifically AoE potential, I vote Electric/ due to the fact that you can dip into the Blaze APP for Fireball. Essentially, with enough recharge, you can alternate Lightning Rod and Shield Charge on spawns using Fireball for mop up at each. Electric/ also offers CI, JL, and TS for added AoE, though, you generallyu won't even need them for farming if you alternate nukes + Fball.
Now, the prior information is a direct reply to your exact question, however, this is not to say that Fire/ is a slouch. FSC is excellent AoE and pairing it with SC and Fball would certainly allow for excellent AoE and Fire/ has substantially better ST damage than does Electric/, so, for all around utility, I like Fire/. -
Quote:Definately.Originally Posted by Motley_Cruel
So you can successfully use it for farming?
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Quote:My 50 Fire/SR runs at +4/x8 for any mission without an AV, using a build that is softcapped and does not have Aid Self - I went the Fireball route for more AoE excellence. I have a seperate build I switch to for AV soloing, which has Aid Self and Conserve Power.Originally Posted by Hejtmane
What ever it wanted if you soft cap /sr if you add tough in the equation it gets better
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Quote:~170 DPS Scrapper-wise, more if you're adding the Hecatomb damage proc into Scorch.Originally Posted by Werner
It's plenty to take down AVs. Don't know about Gloom.
I Don't know about Gloom, but in BillZ's thread 'The Results are in", Gloom was excellent for dps. Top DPS chain for Fire Brute was Gloom - Incinerate - GFS at 213 dps and 3.83 eps. -
Congrats! I haven't tried Tyrant yet. My first was Marauder on my Fire/SR and it's definately a rush when you do it. Now kill more!
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Quote:My wife and I just made our first redside toons, and I convinced her to make a SS/SD brute. She is already very happy with it at level 24. I told her she hasn't seen anything yet. I can imagine that AAO + Rage + Footstomp + Shield Charge will be a beautiful thing to behold.Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
I'm waiting for brutes to come blue side and roll SS/shield. I haven't done either and I've got 3 50s and working on a Fire/kin willing to help fund it.
As to the OP...yes. I have a 50 Fire/SR IO'd to the teeth, and after rolling a DM/SD, sitting at 39, I wish I had made a Fire/Shield. I will likely re-roll her once my DM/SD is finished. -
Quote:That's my take on it too. If you're soft-capped and also have 95% DDR, then you shouldn't need OWtS at that point. Leveling prior to doing so, it's useful for difficult fights, but I skipped it personally.Originally Posted by Microcosm
This power doesn't give defense at all, it gives resistance, +maxhp, and +recovery.
This will help you if you're softcapped for those instances when defense just isn't enough. However, its values aren't enormous, so yes it can be skipped. Works for a special recovery power if you don't mind a half crash, and it can be a good set mule. -
Quote:That is exactly correct.Originally Posted by Nibb_Nibb
I see that 'One With The Shield' says it can't be affected by attack rate changes -- does that include powers like Hasten and set bonuses from IO enhancements?
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Thanks for the link Umbral, and for the suggested chains Harkness. Played for a bit today and went from level 1 to 14. I was surprised that Fireball was in the IO chain in your link Umbral - didn't think it was terribly good for DPA vs. a single target.
I'll be frankenslotting once I hit 27, and with Hsten in my build I'm hoping to achieve the Blaze>Flares>Fireblast chain. Failing that, I'll throw in the second Flares. Also, so far, the damage is vastly superior to Dark/ and I am much happier with the toon, especially since my concept is intact with Fireblast/ colored black and purple.
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Quote:Precisely. Double-stacked AD, Grant Cover and the DDR from Battle Agility get you above 95% DDR with three Membranes in AD.Originally Posted by Werner
The trick is getting super high recharge to perma double stack Active Defense, and then putting Membranes in it, which and up buffing the defense debuff resistance. All said and done, I believe you can hit 95%.
I am, however, still wondering if slotting 3 Membranes and 2 Enzymes in AD will actually in-game provide 39.2% DDR with a single application of AD, or if this is simply a miscalculation in Mids, which I am leaning towards. My DM/Shield is at 37, so it'll be a while before I can test this out. If it works, it would make getting to 95% DDR possible without the need for Grant Cover. -
Quote:heh heh. Werner and Shred pretty much covered the bases on it, but I had to acknowledge the humor.Originally Posted by Fallen Prodigy
Okay, I'm guessing that DDR does NOT = Dance Dance Revolution? x_x
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Quote:Done. Any input on the highest DPS ST chain and the required recharge? If I have numbers to shoot for, I can work up a build in Mids.Originally Posted by Silverado
Go with Fire Blast
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Quote:Thanks Broken and Amy for the Fire/ reccommendation. I'll likely choose it. I can't locate Silverado's dps/attack chain guide after searching his posts for over an hour, though he did post his Fire/Rad 'troller soloing GMs and Lusca, so that certainly speaks for Fire/'s damage. I still wonder what the dps difference between Fire/ and Dark/ would be though. I imagine Dark/ having Life Drain might increase survivability a good bit, much like Siphon Life in Dark Melee, but at what dps cost?Originally Posted by BrokenPrey
Gaidin, Of the three you said it would be Fire. Sonic is good but like you said the sound effects are annoying. If you could get over that I would say Sonic is the best but Fire is really good too.
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Quote:Sant, I've read up on that, and it was reccommended in the Corrupter forum, which I did visit prior to bringing the subject here. I dislike Sonic's animations for the concept I'm doing, and the sound effects are annoying to me as well, which is why I eliminated it from the running from the onset.Originally Posted by Santorican
I've read that sonic's -res goes very well with radiation's debuffs
As far as why I brought it here, it's because the Scrapper forum, in general, is helpful, contains number crunching gurus of unquestionable excellence, and is also generally the go-to place for Min/Maxing assistance due to the forum-goers generally being AV soloists. In particular, the Scrapper forumites have Umbral, Werner, Shred Monkey, and Iggy, among other notables, who are all attack chain experts, and I value their opinions greatly and trust that their findings will be accurate and reliable.
As to the effectiveness of Moonbeam in an attack chain...I can't see it being good dps. The animation time is ridiculously long. Also, the -to-hit of Darkblast/ isn't going to be terribly effective against AVs, as StormDevil said.
Fire-Minded, I am sad to say that I have yet to read a post from you offering good advice or supporting anything you claim with either video proof or numbers to back it up. The fact that you state, "I use 4 attacks mainly.All of Which have 1-3 Endurance Redux SOs in them for longjevity in the fight", says to me that you're using no IOs, even for frankenslotting, let alone set bonuses, are not optimizing your build even remotely, and don't have a clear grasp of game mechanics.
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Quote:Mids has a bug that doesn't calculate the Ranged Def Phalanx Fighting gives. This can be fixed by:Originally Posted by squishor
Is there a way to make Mid's calculate phalanx correctly? I am looking at builds and all of them don't seem capped but around 42 but I was told it was because of phalanx.
Options - Advanced - Database Editor - Main Database Editor - select 'Scrapper Defense' - select 'Shield Defense' - double-click 'Phalanx Fighting' - select 'Effects' tab - double-click '2.55% Defense(Ranged)...' - On the left for the Affects:" drop down window select "Self" - click 'OK' - click 'OK' - click 'Save and Close'. -
Quote:Your post made my brain hurt. A fully-slotted SL heals around 40 hp/second within the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain, which is the top ST DPS attack chain for DM/ and is one of the highest ST DPS possible for a Scrapper when SD is taken into account. Right now, DM/Shield is sitting at the top of the Scrapper DPS chart for Pylon runs at 289 dps.Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Well, Impossible to Kill doesnt seem like it would be easly achieved on a Scrapper. I may be wrong about that, but I find that Dark melee barly does anything to up survivability when your soloing mobs of 4 - 8 in mob size. I acctually find it amazing so many people flock to the DM set with a Defense set, and find it even odder that they belive it'll do much for a Regen.
As far as pairing DM/ with a Def-based secondary, SL's self-heal plus a soft-capped Defense and 95% DDR is as good as it gets for survival without impacting your DPS with Aid Self when the rare hit does get through your Defense.