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Quote:Actually, I think this whole thread has been because he spent a great amount of time farming the stupid way without bothering to check if he was farming the stupid way. He made 2.5 billion and spat out his binkie when he found out that it wasn't enough inf.lulz so this whole thread has been because he wants a 7.5% recharge bonus ? Take a APP hold power and use basilisk's gaze at 4 slots. Heck of a lot cheaper than a pvp set.
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... man, OP's still going with the vagueness? I was actually going to answer something he said. Then I remembered that I put in something like half an hour looking at the sale price of every purple and every PVP to correct a basic misunderstanding, and [as far as I can tell] he didn't read it.
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Quote:At the risk of repeating myself, like you do at the 18,000 post mark: I think that the "first AM costs 20 million" probably took a bite out of the inf glut. (order-of-magnitude guess: If an average of 1 AM per player got converted, at 50K players, that's a trillion inf gone. I would also guess there's on the order of 100 trillion inf in the game, so we've still got some work to do.)[...]
What is the value of the Gladiator 3% Def enhancement in other game terms? By my reckoning, it can now be purchased at a vendor for:
1,500,000,000 inf
1800 reward merits
30 days play time.
Alternatively, you can grind for it 60 days and buy it without the cash or reward merits, and this may be the easier path. But if people start spending 1,500,000,000 inf routinely for it, that would probably take a bite out of the inf glut.
If even a third of the AM's for a PVP IO come from reward merits, that's half a billion. Which is a nice chunk of change and I'm glad to see it gone. But there's SUCH a backlog of inf to get through. -
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ow... ow.
I bought eight rare salvage once, not paying attention [and without five open slots for recipes], I thought that was bad, but deleting Panaceas... ow. -
Last time I had this sort of discussion with Heraclea, I came to the conclusion that her morality [as applied to this game] was self-consistent, but I didn't agree with it in the slightest. It's hard for me to accurately represent a view I don't share, but I think if you start with the Christian idea that usury is a sin, and make some logical deductions from there, you get her view of the market.
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Quote:If I can put in time X and get reward Y, should it matter if Y is split up into 165 little pieces or one big lump?
2bill is as high as the game allows any more than that is just plain greedy.
Because you can get 165 rare recipes or one big PVP recipe... and if you can get 3 billion for the 165 rares, why shouldn't you get 3 billion for the PVP? -
Quote:Posts 306-312 in your OWN thread. Maybe a couple more posts after that.So, maybe I missed that post. Could you repost where somebody in this thread gave historical real world data of this price cap situation. Beyond that, it seems you missed one post of mine. If the Devs presented a buy it now function in the markets, this would effectively cap all prices on all items SUCCESSFULLY. Cause if you try to sell an enhancer for 2,500,000,000 when your customer can buy the recipe for 500,000,000 you will be standing there a very very long time. That is why I keep getting flamed, called ignorant, told off, and suffering the slings and arrows of the malcontents. It has the possibility of ruining their abuse of the market, making the game more fair, and more fun.
I don't have a problem with ignorance, because it can be cured. What we have here is willful blindness.
It may be petty or idealistic or something, but I explain to people why I put them on /ignore. I'm putting you on /ignore because you aren't responding to input. You're a write-only device. A conversation happens when two people talk and two people listen, and if you're not listening I don't have to waste my time. -
There are two roads to riches, just as there always were:
1) Play game, sell stuff
2) Play with market, buy and sell stuff.
#2 is really the same as it's ever been, only the specific numbers are different. If Alchemical Silver has a low of 80K and a high of 200K, instead of a low of 40K and a high of 100K, you do the same things to flip it but you type in different numbers. There are a LOT of things that you can buy for a million or two, craft, and sell for 8-10 million.
#1 is actually where you can do what you used to do, more or less, and make more money. If rare salvage used to be a milliion inf, and now it's two million, that benefits the person who beats critters. You can get lots of stuff with Alignment Merits [you can either get them with 50 old-school merits and 20 million inf, or you can get them by doing tip missions- which I really enjoyed, until I overdid them.] You don't have to farm in the traditional sense- there are a lot of ways to get regular merits at a reasonable rate. Were story arcs giving out regular merits 18 months ago? They do now.
One quick-and-dirty way to make money: If you have characters with a few Reward Merits, they can get enough for a random roll or enough for an Alignment Merit by getting all the location badges in each major zone- each zone has an accolade, each accolade is 5 merits, it adds up.
Heck, if you have a character under level 40, I'll pay you 100 million inf, in advance, for the results of an Alignment Merit roll. Let me know when you play, what server, we'll meet up. I give you the money, you take the 5 random recipe option and give me the recipes, everyone happy. -
So, if we step on each other's niches... what you're saying is, we might lower prices?
HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE POINT OF DOING ALL THIS?
Edit: MY point of doing all this. For all I know you guys are just doing this to keep from cutting yourselves or something. -
I dunno, I want this SG to be For The Ages and not locked into some petty little thing that nearly takes down the entire capitalist system for the planet.
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Quote:If we were driving up prices, how come all the stuff I used to buy for 20M, craft, and sell for 50M, now is "buy for 2M, sell for 10M?" [Example: Impervium Armor End/Res. I still have a couple of those listed for 32 million somewhere, I think. Also Decimation Dam/Rech. ] Or "buy for 10, sell for 20" where it used to be "buy for 50, sell for 80?" [Celerity: Stealth] Or "buy for 30, sell for 40" where it was "buy for 45, sell for 70?" [Numina: Healing ]Yeah. Pretty sure I never used the word evil. in fact, other than my unedited sarcasm, I have tried to be pretty respectful here. Mainly because I believe everyone should be treated with respect. That is because I respect myself. It is my opinion that those who insult, put down, and generally try to make someone else feel less than are themselves suffering from inferiority complexes.
Now, as far as market manipulation goes, I do in fact believe people are manipulating "farming" the market and driving up prices.
If we're manipulating prices, we're doing a really, really bad job of it. Must be all those damn competitors.
EDIT: The exact numbers may not be right above. They're off the top of my head. But those are all niches that collapsed on me recently. Any niche profitable enough for me is profitable enough for someone to undercut me. -
Crud! Someone actually wanted their promotion!
Logging on right now, @Boltcutter. I don't remember your global right now. . . -
It's pseudorandom but consistent- that is, if you have exactly the same number of bids at exactly the same amount, and you dump in some items, the bids will fill in exactly the same order.
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Y'know, the more I think about this, the more I realize The Problem Is Him. He farmed up 2.5 billion inf. Whoever sells him 2.5 billion inf of stuff will spend 2.25 billion inf on stuff, leaving about 2.0 billion, then 1.8 billion, 1.6, 1.45, 1.3, 1.15, 1.0 ... he's going to personally make it possible for eight people to put up bids of over a billion on stuff.
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Dreamt: We're giving back to the game. No, seriously, we're lowering average prices [however trivially] by reducing the total amount of inf chasing the same amount of stuff. Think of it as antifarming. If you want to know how to become rich, we can help with that too [although this isn't really the thread for that.]
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One of the Cloud Senses triples is going for like 100 million crafted.
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I know you've dropped it. But I have to respond to this.
Quote:... I told you what I was crafting. I told you what level. I told you what I was buying and selling for. Buy for "me plus a couple inf" [it's easy to spot, my bids end in 908] and sell for just above an even million somewhere in the range I mentioned.the market tips (vague but tantalizing)
How much less vague can I be? You've got like six things to try. I don't "own" any of those niches- I probably move 1/4 or less of the IO's in anything I mentioned.
I'm sure this is one of those things where I'm so far from being a new marketeer that I can't see it from here, but what else did I need to mention? -
Quote:Why is your abnormal playstyle better than our abnormal playstyle?
3) easy? I have been grinding a fire farm until i want to throw up fire? easy? go pound sand. -
Quote:Look at my most recent post. You can make money in this game BY PLAYING THE GAME.
What i hear you saying is, to make money in this game, stop playing the game, and go to the market.
I mean, extraordinary results may require extraordinary actions, but you can do pretty well by running ITFs, STFs [some of those synth-hamis go for 200M each], ouro arcs, LGTFs, tip missions... what do you want to do? We will tell you how to get rich spending MOST of your time doing it. [I don't know anything about farming, I'll admit.]
ETA: Yeah, I'll admit it. I spend as much as fifteen minutes per session marketing, sometimes twice a day. How much time did you spend farming? Did it get you 100 million inf per hour? -
Fourspeed said:
Quote:I was actually checking crafted prices. There can be a significant variation in price between the two. I have bought things for 302 million, crafted, listed for 450 million and acheived 600 million. Some people with THAT much money have, well, even more.It simply doesn't matter - for the 5 or 6 items in-game that actually run
over 1B, the recipes and crafted IO's are very probably near or at the
same price.
Blue Centurion said:
Quote:Okay, you guys have stopped swearing and are now tempting me into going off topic asking about things like 600 mil a day marketing.
As far as your claims that you farm, you do all these things and yet you are not wealthy: You HAVE to be doing it wrong in some way.
EDITED:
OK, here's what you say you do, playwise:
Quote:Again, I have run level 50 content. quite a bit. Probably 1/4 to 1/3 of my 42 months. That is prob pretty average. I alt a lot, maybe some people 50 more. I stay with one 50 when running SGs, farming, badging, etc. [...] But seriously, to get this stuff the Devs want me to play 30 years? to pimp one toon? Hmmm, that math just seems wrong.
You're running new characters up- unless you're doing nothing but other people's story arcs and newspapers, you're getting merits. Merits Are Money. I was paying 20 million inf per random roll for a while [to characters under level 41] and I didn't break even but I came pretty close- and I think level 50 rares are still more expensive than any lower level.
I think one AM gets you 5 rares which sell for an average of maybe 60 million inf these days. (I haven't recalibrated after the temporary ToT price crash, so that's not a rock solid number.) It is very easy, on a new alt, to get 200 Reward Merits on your way to about level 35. Spend 80 million inf to get 4 AM's, sell the 20 rares for about 240 million, and you've made 160 million JUST FROM MERITS on your way to level 35. If I'm buying, which I'm not always doing, you've made 320 million guaranteed and I've got 20 highly random sub-35 recipes.
Go through your alts. Look for reward merits. I bet you've got a billion inf sitting around that you didn't even know about. -
Incidentally: The WORST PERFORMING BUILDS made a million an hour. Cash and equivalents. That doesn't count lucky recipe drops, that doesn't count rare salvage. There was someone in there with a lemon as bad as mine [I tried it with a FF/Elec defender, soloing] and they made a million an hour too.
I can make 100-200 million an hour in Wentworths, on stuff that's too low end for the serious players, and I told you what recipes I was using to do it. You don't need a level 50. You can make money on a level 17- I accidentally played my main marketeer and he's level 26 or 30 now, but my first few billion was at level 17.