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  1. Fulmens
    Well, mine sold. You're up next, Rylas!
  2. Fulmens
    And we reached 625 million! Rar!

    (I don't know if anyone's competitive on prestige in the SG, but I hit #3 just now. Temporarily?)
  3. Fulmens
    much appreciated!
  4. Fulmens
    606 million prestige (someone dropped a billion in when I wasn't looking) to ... 985M for PsychotiX .

    I don't know if we're going to close that gap tonight.
  5. Fulmens

    hyperinflation

    POST-ACTION

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Another_Fan View Post
    Uber said "Here I just made some crap up about the market, I redefined what inflation means, and here using this random concept it doesn't look anything like inflation"

    I said "Well using your numbers if I wanted to put together a build it doesn't look so good"
    You may have meant that, but you didn't actually say that, or anything like that. You threw in a chunk of stuff in CODE tags and didn't explain it. Pardon my failure to read your mind.


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    I have no idea what the sales ratios but in this thread I haven't inserted wild guesses and asked anyone to believe them. You have.

    When you did present data, it actually jibed well with 300%+ inflation over three years.
    ... Even the part where Devastations went down by a factor of 4?
    ... even the part where a 3 million inf piece of salvage was still a 3 million inf piece of salvage several years later?

    Here's a sales ratio point: I buy, craft and sell a particular Positron's Blast at around 10 a day. Every time I see the last 5 sales on the "buy" side none of them are mine. Every time I see the last 5 sales on the "sell" side- depending on price rigidity, it is generally visible that only one of them COULD be mine. I check a couple times a day. We have as a LOWER BOUND 28 data points per day from this: the 5 recipes and 4 sales each time I look (18 total) and the 10 I actually sell. It can be no lower than 28 sales. Let's say, since I don't check during peak hours, that I see half the sales and the other half happen when the servers go yellow. I think I'm seeing more like 1/3, but let's be conservative here. 28*2 = 56 a day.

    From a prior experiment ("let's see me lose money trying to own a market niche again!"), there were roughly as many of a certain IO (I think a Mako's pool B) placed on the market at level 50 as there were from level 30 to 49, inclusive. I see no reason to doubt this ratio in the rest of the game. 56*2 = 112.

    Here's a prediction: I did 15 minutes of work on this post. I predict you will spend less than 2 minutes either rebutting it with a very brief answer, or will completely ignore it like the Devastation data point.

    I know, I know, you have all these OTHER people to answer, because for some reason you're the only one on your side of the argument. You're a busy guy.
  6. Fulmens
    ... wait, what?

    *spends 200,000 inf and pays rent*

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE!
  7. Fulmens
    ... Cruisin' around in my DPO
    Rock Rock, Rock 'n Roll High School...
  8. Fulmens

    hyperinflation

    POST-ACTION

    That would be the "fantasy scenario" where your alleged rebuttal started off with "taking the scenario presented" ?

    This is like talking to Spinal Tap.

    "Well, we don't literally say it. We don't literally mean it. But that message should be clear anyway."

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    is it that most people don't want quality builds but there are all these IOs being traded every day any way ?
    Positron's Blast outsells Ragnarok by, what, a hundred to one? At least? Let's say a typical set of Posi has gone from 30 million to 40 million. Let's say a typical set of Ragnarok has gone from, I don't know, 700 million to 3 billion. Feel free to look up some numbers, I'm sick of mentioning Devastation and having you go "look! an obvious distraction!". And let's say Posi outsells Ragnarok by 100 to 1.

    So 100 sets of Posi plus one set of Ragnarok, 3.7 trillion, has become 100 sets of Posi plus one set of Ragnarok, 7 trillion.

    That's not even 100% inflation, there. Although people who like Ragnarok might complain.

    And, of course, Air Bursts and Detonations are selling even better than Positron's and the price really hasn't changed much on those. But cheap builds are below your notice.
  9. Fulmens
    Congrats to Neander Paul for reaching the 100 million prestige mark today!

    We are now over 600 million prestige. I'm about to throw in my first two billion of the day.

    Anyone else going to show up at any particular time? I think last time the party was around 8-10 eastern.
  10. Fulmens

    Def? S/L or Melee?

    POST-ACTION

    A little explanation of WHY it's done that way might help:

    When the game first started, apparently [for instance] a Fire/smash attack would get resisted by the sum, as you've suggested: fire defense + smash defense .

    Imagine something with 20% defense to all types (a rikti drone or something.) A Broadsword scrapper was seeing 20% defense to Lethal. A Dark Melee scrapper was seeing 40% defense to Dark/Smash damage, which was pretty much all his attacks.

    That's bad.
  11. Fulmens

    hyperinflation

    POST-ACTION

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Another_Fan View Post
    [...]
    Now taking the scenario presented

    Code:
            New Price       Old Price     # used    New build cost           Old build cost
A         500,000,000.00 50,000,000.00     5.00        2,500,000,000.00  250,000,000.00
B         100,000,000.00 20,000,000.00    10.00        1,000,000,000.00  200,000,000.00
C          10,000,000.00 10,000,000.00    10.00          100,000,000.00  100,000,000.00
D           5,000,000.00  1,500,000.00    10.00           50,000,000.00   15,000,000.00
E           2,500,000.00  1,500,000.00    10.00           25,000,000.00   15,000,000.00


                                      Totals           3,675,000,000.00  580,000,000.00
    We get a build going from 580 mil inf in the old market, to 3.675 billion now.

    I suppose given sufficient tunnel vision you could find someway not to call that inflation.

    Edit: Wait The OP did just that managed to create an example of massive inflation and then worked very hard to find some way to say it wasn't.
    Now take the scenario presented, and realize that for every build like that there are about 10 builds that look like this:

    Code:
            New Price       Old Price     # used    New build cost           Old build cost
E           2,500,000.00  1,500,000.00    55.00           137,000,000.00   82,500,000.00
    And about 10 builds that look like this:

    Code:
            New Price       Old Price     # used    New build cost           Old build cost
D           5,000,000.00  1,500,000.00    20.00           100,000,000.00   30,000,000.00
E           2,500,000.00  1,500,000.00    35.00           87,500,000.00   52,500,000.00
                                      Totals           187,500,000.00  82,500,000.00[/FONT]
    (and a couple builds using C's, D's and E's. The math is not precise.)

    In the given scenario, you move a thousand E's a day, three hundred D's a day, and five A's a day.

    Someone's buying all those E's and D's and slotting them. That person is seeing less than 250% inflation.

    I'd like to be reasonable and balanced here, but you say things like
    Quote:
    you could find someway not to call that inflation.
    in response to a post that included the line

    Quote:
    Now, pretty clearly this example market experienced broad price inflation.
    If you don't like the phrase "strawman", how about "Bearing false witness?" "Making up convenient arguments and attributing them to other people?" "Lying about what other people say" ?

    What do you call that, when you do it yourself?
  12. Fulmens
    I know I'll get in trouble. First I want one of the stir-sticks with the spinny gear on it. And you know that only comes with the house special, which is about 79 proof and comes in a glass the size and shape of a blender. Then I want a stir stick for a friend. Then I have four in my pocket, and the last thing I remember is saying "This one time at Band Camp..."
  13. Fulmens

    Arcs/TFs/Missions

    POST-ACTION

    Less easy than you'd think through Ouroboros!

    Running all five 1-5 contacts, for instance, is going to be tricky. There are some non-arc non-badge Rikti missions that you can only get your first time through the game (Angus McWhatsizface maybe?) I'm sure there are others. Doc Science maybe?
  14. Fulmens
    Quote:
    If you're sitting at 40%, however, 4-6% can DOUBLE your survivability against foes with 'standard' tohit.
    Add me to this pile.

    There are people who pay 3 billion for 3% Defense. There may be a reason for that (supply and demand is only part of it; they don't pay 3 billion for most other PVP IO's.)
  15. Fulmens
    Quote:
    my spine/regen seems more like so-so blaster.
    ... maybe you should try a blaster before you say that.
  16. Fulmens
    I have a +3 Def as well. I want 3.2 billion for it.

    What? I think No Torious is going to sell out fast.
  17. Fulmens
    My understanding is that in World of Warcraft, if you ask a question in game or on the forums, people recommend that you do a lot of not-so-inventive things to yourself.

    If you ask a question on the forums HERE, there's a bit of a race to answer helpfully.

    Here is a little bit of info about the Alpha Slot. Being a wiki, if you think it needs improvement, you can do it yourself

    Something else that may be new to you: the "Combat Attributes" [aka "Real Numbers"] window. If you look at "Powers" there are two clickable phrases on the top: "Combat Attributes" and "Incarnate Abilities". Combat Attributes lets you see your Defense, your regen rate, your damage bonus, etc. (you can even right click on a specific thing to keep track of, for instance, your damage bonus or your ranged defense.)

    Other tricks for the number-intensive include right clicking on powers to see their stats, mousing over powers and enhancements in the Manage Enhancement window, and typing power names into your chat window like this: [Inferno] or [vomit] .
  18. Fulmens

    hyperinflation

    POST-ACTION

    New players may assume that they are worthless without top-end gear (as, apparently, they are in other games.)

    I came in here because I found another data point:
    "Now a Devastation Acc/Dam/Rech recipe sells for something like 20 million influence. A Ruin Acc/Dam/Rech, on the other hand, sells for more like 0.2 million influence" [8/14/2009] . Currently 1 million for most levels, up to 5 million for a few levels, for the recipe; most levels crafted are under 10 million (30-33 excepted.)

    So those prices have gone down by a factor of at least 4, and closer to a factor of 10 if you're on a budget. [You can also get that Ruin for about 50K.]
  19. Fulmens
    Couple points:

    1) Kinetic Crash makes me cry if you slot more than 4 of them. The difference between "ED max damage" and "Kinetic Crash damage" is almost the difference between "Blaster blast" and "Defender blast". (It's not THAT bad- I've played a lot of Force Field defenders- but you're hurting yourself quite a lot. )

    2) Thunderstrike is very, very, very nice. And not too expensive. It's an "overbuilt" set- even six level 30 thunderstrikes give you plenty of Accuracy and Damage. Pick your level.

    3) The "get two Alignment Merits, buy a low level LoTG, have enough money" technique works. Depending on how much shopping you want to do, compare the following as well:
    - level 20 Miracle (2 merits, around 200 million crafted last I looked)
    - level 35 Kinetic Combat Dam/End or Dam/Rech (ONE merit, around 120 million crafted)
    Always craft it for sale! The profit difference is dramatic.

    3b) And of course, because I'm a marketeer, I have to mention my "Shop defensively" miniguide in sig. Patience! Recipes! /e lecture

    4) Force Of Nature is happy when you give it Resistance as well as Recharge.

    Now for the math: Getting Defense. Tough, Weave, and a Steadfast Res/Def [yes, it's expensive, but patience and multi-level bidding are your friends] is a good start- around 8.6% . Four sets of Thunderstrike (note that the 3-slot Energy bonus is also a Ranged bonus) is 15%. 2-slotting Hover and Fly with BoTZ (the cheaper ones) is 2.5%, and if you can find room to 6-slot Personal Force Field or Weave with Red Fortune that's another 2.5% each. (Let's say you can do one but not both.)

    So you're at 28.6%. One small purple gets you over 40%. Hover itself, if you run it all the time, gives you something like 2.5% (3% with one slot of Defense) and that's very VERY close to the softcap. If you're feeling rich, look into getting a 6-pack of Gaussian in Aim or Build Up. A couple of those are really, really pricey though.

    Good luck and good hunting!
  20. Fulmens
    Back a ways someone said
    Quote:
    Seeing as how there is no recharge insp
    That's true.

    There's a 20% recharge base buff that lasts an hour, though. People frequently forget about that.
  21. Fulmens
    I'm pretty sure the L35s with purples will come out better.

    1) If you think about what "people slot for" in attack powers it's more or less Acc, Dam, Rech, End Reduction and [some sort of mez]. With the hold/sleep/confuse/ [some attack set] purples, you're adding like 45% Accuracy, 50% recharge reduction, 20% end recovery, and some Damage in there. You're covering Acc, (some) Rech and [effectively] End Reduction right there.

    2) Most sets have enough Damage built in at level 35 (unless you need the 6-slot set bonus, and even then many are softcapped]. You're going to have plenty of Acc [unless you're doing crazy stuff] built in with your purple set bonuses plus whatever the set happens to bring by accident. Recharge, well, you're not going to lose much recharge compared to the 50% from the purples, and endurance is very, very easily solved. For six Thunderstrikes, you go down 9.1% in Acc, Rech and End: so if you have no other global modifiers you're going from 113.9% to 104.8% Acc, 118.9% to 109.8% Rech, and 68.9% End Red to 59.8%.
  22. Fulmens

    hyperinflation

    POST-ACTION

    TheMightyObs said:
    Quote:
    The only viable solution for coming up with enough money to fully IO a toon to completion within a month is to farm AE for at least four hours per day set to +4x8, claim a low level silver recipe roll and craft/sell what's valuable then sell off what isn't selling well offmarket at the store (which feeds the inflation). With two accounts, you can overnight afk PvP farm. Most people don't have two accounts though, or can't run two instances of CoH. This leaves AE farming as just about the only viable solution for making a billion influence per day... which means that purple recipes aren't done inflating.
    1) I've got "fully IO[ed] to completion" characters with no purples.
    2) I made more than 6 billion inf since I started this thread, on Feb. 9 . Mostly on the market, but probably a billion of that was running tips and TFs. So apparently AE is not the "only viable solution".
    3) You could also, in theory, get your 3-billion-inf IO's by accumulating thirty or thirty-five Alignment Merits. Run (this week) a LGTF and an ITF, as I did this morning, and you get enough Reward Merits for two. Next week, run a Sister Psyche and get enough RM's for another two.
    4) If you're 6 billion away from finishing your build, and you can make a billion inf in 4 hours of +4/x8 AE farming, in one day, and you're not done yet: Why not? That's a WEEK by your numbers. And if you're this giant price-raising profit-building machine, you should be able to throw 6 billion inf into the Prestige shredder and get it back in the next couple weeks.

    BurningChick: Apparently you were far too reasonable to get a good discussion happening. Or something.
  23. Fulmens
    bad [sic] news: We are now about 140 billion inf behind PsychotiX . I threw in a couple hundred million when I saw that, because that was all I had on me.
  24. Fulmens
    My guess, which has an attractive lack of evidence, is that it is designed to encourage people who've been saving up for something big to KEEP saving up for something big.

    Let's say you've got 26 AM's and you're having doubts about buying the IO Of Doom. It would take you 13 days to burn off your AM's buying LoTGs or what have you; you might just want to keep going to get the last four merits. From the Dev point of view it increases the supply of IOs Of Doom, the lack of which bothers people greatly, and from the player point of view it doesn't interfere with your play if you just want to turn merits into 1 or 2-point recipes.
  25. Fulmens
    AWww. You guys are sweet.