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Rad Avenger: Might I suggest posting in this thread?
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As far as I could see, only 2 of the "last 5" in every category had sold for 2 billion.
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I believe 5m was for the pair of rares, so only flushing 4 million inf. 4.5 million if it was a level 50 recipe.
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Science!!!
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Uberguy: Are you counting ONLY pure inf and vendored recipes? I do pretty much all my farming on the market with a side order of mid level AM's, so I don't keep up on these things.
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Looks that way. The "juice" is 5% of listing cost... it's not all that onerous.
To put it another way, what kills ME on marketing is when something abruptly changes price from 65 million to 50 million. And then goes from 50 million to 40 million. The "juice" in that case is 3.25 million at most. (I still have some of the 65 millions up for sale. If I was smart I woulda dumped everything at 50 million, because prices almost never go back up unless there's a dramatic change, like issue 20 hitting or some loophole getting closed so everyone has to respec, as with Blessing of the Zephyr.) -
Quote:Y'see, I've TRIED this and it didn't work. And actually, Berzerker_NA tried this last week and it didn't work for them either. But on the other hand, I've been told to shut up because Cully owns the forums and I'm on his lawn. Bullying is tacky and, on the internet, notoriously ineffective.How do I keep more of w/e item from coming to market for less than what I want people to pay me again?Quote:
So.. I put up 5 (Insert craptastic recipe here) for 500mil a piece, then log into an alt with an email infusion of cash handy, and artificially inflate the price of said item to 500m per, while paying myself to do so, only missing out on the transaction costs, BUT, i have now just set the price for this recipe at 500m to everyone else that gets to see it. Now, taking those 5 recipes I turn around and put them back up on the market (after having just bought them from myself) and sell them again, this time to a poor sap that actually thinks that's just the price he's gonna be forced to pay cuz well... obviously 5 other people had to as well....
Now do this for a week.
Yes, you are now the problem on the black market.
That's the part that always snags me every time I try this particular money making plan that get suggested over and over by non-marketeering types who don't have the time or inclination to try the plan out themselves.
By the way, you still haven't offered any demonstration that 100K for a Luck Charm is "obscene." If I can make 5 million inf an hour- not personal wealth, I mean add 5 million inf into the economy- then why is spending 72 seconds of my earnings on a single piece of salvage "obscene"?
If you have customers who live in the 100K-per-minute world, then YOU live in the 100K-per-minute world. And since there are no barriers to entry (got a Hellion? You've got a Luck Charm) EVERYONE lives in the 100K-per-minute world.
OK, maybe using farmers' cash earnings isn't the best financial example. How about "people who are selling 5K recipes for 100 inf?" (any level 50 set recipe.) You'd need to buy 21 of those and sell em to a vendor to make 100,000 inf. It might take you four trips to the vendor! So a Luck Charm would cost you FOUR minutes of time! Nobody could be expected to pay that kind of money for something that they need three, four of in their build. Could they? -
Oh, and Cully, when you say
Quote:What you're actually saying is "I'm not going to do the work to spend 5 minutes reading it, but I want you to spend 30 minutes writing it." ******** on that.Essentially, I'm asking for someone to please try and really honestly justify a 100k for common salvage price, a 3b price for a ridiculous recipe, or just the general asshattery involved with the BM. Seeing as how I have yet to see a rationalized complete argument, we'll just continue shooting from the hip and hope one learns to read more accurately in the future.
GENERIC DISCLAIMER: I lose track of thought and the argument itself really doesn't justify the expense of effort to really get into it. So, if i miss what you feel is a salient point to the argument, kindly repost that part with as inventive language as possible, and we'll go over it again]
So. The five minute post:
100K for a piece of common salvage destroys 10K of in-game currency (in fees.) There are people who create 5 MILLION inf an hour, cash that wasn't in the game before. Rounding up to 6 million, that's 100K per minute. So what you're saying is that it's ridiculous for someone ELSE to spend 60 seconds of their time getting the inf to buy a shiny.
Or you're saying it's ridiculous for a piece of salvage (given the 10:1 ratio) to be worth 10K, which is SIX seconds of someone's time. The 10:1 is because you burn the salvage and you burn the 10K; the other 90K sticks around to get spent by the next person.
As far as the ridiculous 3 billion inf recipe: You're telling me that 30 days of work and patience is NOT worth 100 million inf a day. That's certainly an opinion, but it's one that is not shared by people who have 3 billion inf, who play a lot more than YOU do, and who have one thing left to buy. You can continue with your moral stance and they'll continue buying the things you don't want.
Or you can try doing the work to get one yourself and see if you'd prefer to spend 3 billion inf instead.
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Quote:NOT TRUE. We didn't get the number of bids to 0, but we did bring the price down to under 9000 inf. By dumping, over about eight hours, something like 6,000 Luck Charms. I don't remember the exact number. Which it took us about two months to amass. Anyway, there were still 2300 bids for Luck Charms under 9K. I know for a fact that LC's at that point had not been under 30,000 inf for months.
Also, some time back, there was a concerted effort made by marketeers to crash Luck Charms. It failed completely.
(the next morning? 30K to 45K.)
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So your complaint is that... what?
Quote:(and never did.)Char and cindars NEVER Hold bosses
... smells like troll?Quote:a spine/regen scrapper used to be all the rage, I hate mine now.
a fire/kin controller was all the rage but Mine sleeps though half the content now.
an Empathy healer could write his own ticket, it was my first level 50, I can hardly find work for mine, only STF seems to even want one. with instant death one-shotting bosses why bother with a good healer since no healer can save you from the one shot death -
I believe that global chat channels are on the same server as gleemail. I'm not seeing any of my global chat channels either (3:58 PM Eastern time)
Market's up though. -
Quote:What happened to Aegis? Well, a couple things. The set now provides 4.7% Fire/Cold/AOE Defense where it used to provide 3.1% to fire and 3.1% to AOE; all the OTHER changes to sets and Defense have made it practical to softcap defense for many characters who otherwise wouldn't have gotten anywhere near. So a small change made a big change in playstyle. (Yes, five sets of Aegis gives you nearly 25% Defense. Add weave, a Steadfast, and combat jumping and a defender is 7% off the softcap. About five times as hard to hit with a fireball. )Originally Posted by Cully
I already do that. Except the PVP part (very casual, no real interest in that aspect) But things like an Aegis set, where a recipe goes for 40mil? For an Aegis? Really? What happened to the days when they were so worthless they were termed vendor junk?
*scratches head* What else.... Oh, just compensation. I agree in Just compensation. I Do not believe in stalled markets on borked pricing. That kinda proves that just compensation isn't coming along...
The second thing is, of course, prices have gone up all over the place. One part is that there's more inf around, inf is getting generated faster, people are playing their 50's more (every Shard ITF generates something like 40 million inf, raw cash, among the 8 characters; you have to buy 400 million inf of stuff on the market to remove that from the system) and other things which actually generate inf faster. The other part is that people have access to their inf more easily: I can put together a billion inf by logging onto 10 characters (over both sides and six servers) and emailing myself 100 million inf from each of them. -
Go ahead. Undercut us.
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Quote:Looks like someone needs a lil' TopDoc explanation:
And no one, no one, can justify differently.
I checked your post history. You're enraged at the cost of the Gladiator's Armor +3% Defense IO.Quote:You only deserve the purples [or in this case PVP IO's- Fulmens] that you get as drops. If you want MORE than that, you have to convince other players to give them to you. Other players can be very unreasonable. You may have to give them a WHOLE LOT of Inf to get what you want.
Which happens to be the single most expensive thing in the game. 2 billion? Try 2.5 or 3 billion. Off market. You can earn one yourself, either by PVPing a lot or by accumulating 30 or 35 Alignment Merits. (I don't remember the exact number.) And that means playing, more or less, an hour a day for a month. More hours trades for less days.
Do you want to do that?
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By the way, it's appalling how low you can list and still get the "standard price". If the standard price is 20 million, you can often list at 15,001,908 and sell for 20 million. (I think Enyalios sometimes goes as low as 13 million and still gets sales for 20 million. I myself do not.)
However, if you list for 15,001,908 you have to be willing to accept the possibility that someone will pay 15,001,909 for your item. Never list below what you're willing to actually sell for.
EDIT: "Standard price" makes it sound a lot more stable than it is. Standard price can go up or down by 10 million over the course of a week. Standard price can collapse from, e.g. 65 million to 40 million and stay there for a month and counting. I wasn't heavily into Regenerative Tissue: Regeneration but it went from 100 million+ to 20-25 million over the course of a month. Seller beware. -
I've had a few niches shrink- "40M to 65M" has become "25M to 40M" in one case- but not very many have gone away altogether. Purples are still comedically profitable for me.
EDIT: I'm not heavily into purples, though it's good money. I keep taking all my capital and investing in the Crazy 88s. -
They're either worth* nearly nothing, or they're worth hundreds of millions and they sell inside 24 hours. At that level, there doesn't seem to be much in between.
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Since you can only shift a billion in a single trade, there's always going to be a potential risk when dealing with a stranger. I've done dozens of deals and only had one person try to jack me, but very few of those deals were in the billions -of -inf range.
If you'd feel better doing the deal through me, I'll take a 5% commission to be a trusted intermediary. (I know, I'm _also_ a stranger, but I did run a "trusted intermediary" business at one point before global email existed; other strangers can vouch for me.) -
Note: Always check prices before you cash in. At one point I looked and they'd gone from 150 million-ish to 96 million-ish. I'd expect they're back up in price, but I wouldn't bet any money on it.
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There is no equivalent to the -KB for sleep and hold.
Hot feet (I'm not a controller, but just looking casually at RedTomax) doesn't actually seem to have a true mez component- only fear, which lets them shoot back at least once. Choking Cloud is on a stupidly long pulse- 5 seconds or something- so you could be standing there with your pants in your hand for four seconds while they do what they like to you. (Of course if you have Rad Infection up, ideally with Maneuvers, they'll be doing a lot less to you.)
There are dozens of Fire/Kin experts, which I am not one of, but it sounds to me like you're looking for a build solution to a tactics problem. -
"If you hit escape, then try to use an attack, it'll automatically select the closest foe."
Escape also puts away your weapon, if you have one. I got into the esc-tab habit on a nonweapon character and now whenever I'm playing a sword -type scrapper I swear a lot. -
Freedom has an exceedingly visible nest of scum & villainy in Atlas Park, it is true. The trick is to get out of there as soon as possible!
Global channels are good, yes. Especially N P C (the spaces are important)
Also, when you find someone you like playing with use either /friend [so your specific character can keep track of their specific character] or /gfriend [no matter who you log in on, or they log in on, you can keep track of the account.] to put them on your friends or global friends list. There is a limit to how many people you can have on your global friends list, so don't take it personally if they don't accept your global friend invitation. -
Sent you a tell, but you weren't there, TimeWellSpent.
So I burnt a billion and we shot up past another 4 groups. Around #65. -
... someone took it down to around 700, last I looked. And still selling frequently for 250 inf. Well done, my friends, well done.
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That's certainly been the traditional answer. By going from "max level" to 40-45 you add things like Impervium Armor: Resist and Miracle: Recovery. By going to 35-39 you add Kinetic Combat: D/E/R and _one_ other recipe. By going 30-34 you add all the "cap at 30" recipes and totally change your results.
I've gotten some surprisingly good results the few times I've rolled 25-29 to avoid everything that starts at 30, because there is SO MUCH SUPPLY OF EVERYTHING THAT CAPS AT 50.
But, like they say, don't draw a graph through one data point.