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*Gets in line behind Ra Ra*

Just to check: We're talking about buying from fellow players, not from some vendor or dispenser somewhere: right?

Because those prices are going to be a lot higher. People will sell their excess supply and buy to fill their demand. Those interactions only lose 10% of the full value. 9 times as much ends up in someone else's bucket than ends up on the floor. It may not be EXACTLY ten times the price, but it'll be two or three or five times the price, because the inf isn't really going away.

Considering that people are willing to pay 50 million for a level-shift that only lasts 3 minutes... I'm guessing more than 50 million.

OK, 24 million. That's some breathing room for now.

Rad/Sonic defender from about level 10 on.

3) once you get enough inf you can get into bigger games. There are people who can't tell the difference between 5 million and 10 million inf; those people are great customers.

Welcome back! Level 21 really is that bad. It's the only level where I'll accept powerlevelling through it.

When you've got NO inf and you want some, here's a couple of tricks. Don't worry that you're "taking advantage of people"- you're not.


1) No risk, minimal reward, boring as hell: Go to Wentworth's and buy unloved set recipes at level 50- I'm going to be specific, because you've already got a lot on your plate. Nightmare, Enfeebled Operation, Kinetic Crash, Blood Mandate, Expedient REinforcement, Lethargic Repose. Find something that has zero bids and, like, fifty for sale. Buy them for 200 inf or less until you're full. Run to a regular store and sell them for 5 or 10 thousand each. (You have to scroll down, it's under inspirations for some reason). You can right click and "Sell all". If you're selling say 10 recipes each time, you're making about 48,000 inf per run. If you do this ten times, which I admit SUCKS, you'll have a good start.

2) More inf, more learning, less work, slight risk: Buying and reselling common salvage. As a practice thing, pick some of your salvage and list it for 1 inf. Some won't sell immediately; that's trash. For something that DOES sell, you'll probably see prices clustering around two different values- we think of those as "buy it now" and "Sell it now" prices. Almost everything in this game has those two values, and in between them is profit for people who are willing to buy stuff and resell it.

An important thing is, you don't list AT 100,000 inf if you want to sell at 100,000 inf. People put in simple bids, and the lowest outstanding price gets that bid. To oversimplify, assume there is one customer, who is going to double his bid until he gets the item. 50,000 then 100,000 then 200,000 . If you list at 100,000 and another seller lists at 51,000 then the other seller will get every sale, until they run out of stock, and you will watch sales go by as your rage builds. So there's sort of a guessing game for what to list at.

But [to give an example- don't do this specific thing] right now the "Sell it now" price for Steel is 111,556 and the "Buy it now" price is around 400,000 inf- customers are throwing 500,000 at it and getting it. You could leave a bid up for ten at 111,557 and they'll be waiting the next time you log in- maybe faster- and then you can sell them for 351,000 and scoop the 400,000-inf guy. You might even sell them for 500K each!

If you do this too often, the 111,556 guy will change their bid... eventually.

OK, I made it through the Holds with, like, 10 million left in the tank. I may return to this at a future date. Probably.

MoltenSlowa gave me a chunk of money to do something interesting with.

So until I run out of inf, I'm buying up and deleting half the sub-level-50 Pool C recipes with 0 bids that I can get for a million inf. So if, like, there's twenty Ghost Widow: Chance for Flowy Hair* recipes at level 37 I'll buy ten for a million and leave the other ten in case someone wants them.

We will see if bribery gets people to list 'em.

* No, I don't remember what the proc is called. Does anyone?

First up: Hold.

Edit #1: Things literally nobody wants,ie 0 bids.
Edit #2: Half rounds down; if 5 for sale, buying 2.
Edit #3: The GW Chance for Flowy Hair is, in fact, in huge spectacular supply in the 30s and 40s. Went through almost a hundred recipes.
Edit #4: Made it through the Holds before running out of inf.

Either someone's racing us or I can't count above 21. Both are possible.

(There's just one market. Freedom, Union, Villain, Hero, all the same.)

I never throw down a long string of zeros, to AVOID the extra-zero problem . But when your brain sees a list of buys for 75 thousand and goes "Right. 75 million. " not much you can do. You can avoid the typos, but thinkos are another thing entirely.

Syndace: I may have to do the Choose Your Own Adventure Guide To Wealth.

/e shoves BA towards a guide.

Get capitalizin' !

... 22 million prestige. Thanks, Hyperstrike!

We're dangerously close to losing the #1 slot on Virtue. The American Legion is within 20 million prestige of us.

Come on by and drop a billion in the fire for old times' sake!

SOMEONE dropped in a big bouncing bunch of Prestige!

I threw in a little more, taking us from #24 to #23. We're now over 160M prestige.

People still staying away in droves... there's only eight of us in here.

After someone buys that one, I'm selling one for 2.9 billion. @Boltcutter- will hand deliver if desired, any server, european evening hours no problem.

Welcome! Bienvenue! Wilkommen!

Was the supply of Gladiator's Armor 3% Defense IO's proportionate on the European servers? Because you now have the option of getting one through global email from the US population.

I only mention it because I have one for sale, 2.9 thousand million [US billion]. Full disclosure:there's at least one for sale at 2.5 on these forums.

... I can't help with the return of the money, but I went out in sympathy and spent 75 million on a Masterwork Weapon. Wasn't even just extra zeroes, because it was 75,010,908. I'm still not sure what I was thinking.

So I'm in his corner!

Thing I try to remember: Just because it's not new to ME doesn't mean it's not new to THEM. Like when I go into a hardware store, ask where the C-clamps are, and the guy looks at me like I'm an idiot. Because he already TOLD people where the C-clamps are. Fifty times. Just none of them were me.

I'd also suggest a tweak on the entitlement: it's not 'I've noticed for most of these people "reasonable" actually means "what I, personally, fell like spending", and it's crap.'

"Reasonable" usually means "What it cost six months ago." Or, if you're old, what it cost twenty years ago. I find it kind of annoying when a midlevel uncommon costs me either an afternoon of waiting or 350,000 extra inf. ("Six months ago you couldn't give those things away.") But you know? I can wait, I can suck it up, or I can get it myself. For some reason I never get it myself.

Although I am thinking of having Backup-Uncommon-Guy keep five of everything around and gleemail em to myself. That would save me like five million inf a day AND, far more important, allow me to feel a warm glow of superiority.

Based on my most recent brain failure, -55,010,908 inf.

The people that had inf in I8 fell into three categories:

1) Badgers going for the inf badges.
2) People who ran a chunk ton of big teams in PI. [Remember, 300 hours to level 50 was considered FAST in issue 2-7.]
3) People who saved up a lot of inf to convert into Prestige when bases went live, were disgusted by the conversion rate, and kept it. I knew two people who were billionaires before Issue 9- and I had no idea because it just didn't matter.

I agree that most of the inf is fairly fresh- there was 3 trillion inf (cash) in the whole game at the end of issue 8. Now there may be twenty times that much. But the main thing about inf is you have to spend it ten times to get rid of it. So it's not so much "Where did it come from?" as "how are we going to get rid of it? "

Trade went well ! Thanks.