Frogfather

Originally Posted by Fulmens

OK, after the success of the Loyal Opposition project, it has been suggested that we get a SG to #1 purely, or primarily, through the destruction of inf. It would require about 88 billion, on guardian, thus the Crazy 88's.

It was originally sort of assumed that it would be on Guardian. I'd rather not try this on Freedom or Virtue, but I'm willing to try it anywhere else.

A quick survey of what it would take, by server:
Pinnacle: Around 350M prestige, 175B inf
Protector: 178M/89B inf
Infinity: 254M/127B inf
Liberty: 226M/113B
Victory: 360M/180B
Champion: 452M/226B [!]
Triumph: 183M/91B
Justice: 376M/169B
[ Guardian: 176M/88B ]
Virtue: 353M/177B
Freedom: 580M/290B

Huh. Looks like some of the smaller servers have the more dedicated SG'ers.

We could totally take Virtue!

Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata

Ok, I cranked up a very old alt of mine to see what the top SGs on Guardian are, prestige wise.

I'll totally add 1 bill to the till, but...

How hard could it be to earn enough money in the marketplace to gain the top spot? (answer: totally freaking hard, but a major challenge) 176mm prestige, call it 88bn in influence, with all members making it happen?

I'm in. Sending global friend now Fulmens.

Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim

I tried it. Hated it. Brutes need to swing/be swung at to generate Fury. If all of your enemies are cowering in fear/walking around stunned, you won't generate Fury as fast. OG also has the annoying "durr I'm stunned" wandering effect on enemies that are affected by it. CoF, in my trials, has only helped me out during EB/AV fights for laying down -ToHit and occasionally sticking the enemy with a Fear (when coupled with Touch of Fear). I'd skip it unless you're really having a hard time surviving. Just know that you're trading more Fury generation for some mitigation that can be really annoying (in reference to OG).

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

Duriel:



Duriel is, or rather was, the queen and hive mother of an entire star system of worlds colonised by physically evolved but technologically inferior insects. Recognising the overwhelming might of Cedric's armies as well as the opportunities his sciences and technologies offered her kind, Duriel offered to become his thrall, placing her spawn at his service. Duriel's loyalty has never been called into question, in part because the fate of those who would is grim, but her motivations are rather less than idealistic.

I'm not sure where I want to go with this one. My basic inspiration for her was Infested Kerrigan, the Queen of Blades, but I don't want to shoot for a ripoff and I don't really know what her powers are, anyway. For this one, I was thinking something like a Stalker, either with Dark powers or some kind of Claws, but I just don't know. I guess I could go Scrapper, but I have so many of these I'm bound to repeat myself no matter what I choose. Any advise here is appreciated.

That's about all I have for the moment. Let me know if you can help me out with any of these.

P.S. Yes, I seriously got and used those names.

Originally Posted by Fury Flechette

Thanks again for reading,

FF

Originally Posted by Talen Lee

Suggestions of how things can be done better, or problems with your demonstrated method interfering with your stated goal are not 'unneeded' comments. Telling people who are trying to help that they're unneeded... well, that's pretty unneeded.

Originally Posted by Brillig

So I guess the initial resolution only lasted seven posts.

Who had seven in the pool?

Originally Posted by heffroncm

I'm solidly into buying cheap recipes and crafting them into expensive enhancements. I simply cannot fathom that some people will pay as much as 10x the component cost on these things. I noticed something interesting, to: It's actually cheaper to buy Common IOs at level 12 from the market than it is to buy DOs at 12 and 17. If you compare the cost of keeping your DOs at +3 so they give almost the same effect as IO15s, it's a landslide. Sure, it's small game stuff, but you have to be able to make a profit on the small game if you want to play the big game.

I've been limited to 3 slots available for most of today because I have 8 tied up bidding for IO15s. To work within that limitation, I've started to home in on some real time-savers. Picking a set price to buy most Salvage at has been the real winner. Sure, I might spend an extra 10k crafting an enhancement, but when it sells for 5M does 10k even matter?

The other winners are picking a mark-up, and learning the interface better. With a set mark-up, I can quickly add up the recipe and salvage costs in my head to rough out what I should post it for. Then it's a simple matter of comparing whatever I come up with to what the past 5 have sold for to decide if it's worth the investment. So far, all of my prices have come in less than half the "going rate," while still doubling my investment. Sure, a few pieces have sold for millions less than I could have made. My thinking is doubling my investment on every sale is better than I could do in any other market, and the turn-over must be faster because I'm likely one of the lower prices available. Most of the time, even listing very low, pieces sell at the rate of the last 5.

Originally Posted by FallenValkyrja

It probably is not all that uncommon for someone to type in the wrong amount for a bid: buying or selling. It is lucky for the OP that it was in the amount that it was so therefore, it is both common and lucky.

Originally Posted by Grouchybeast

Also, they're really not that uncommon. While I was helping Archie get set up for this, I did some monitoring of turnover for various IOs and I saw several large accidental overbids go through. One of them was someone who had apparently typoed the inf cap on an IO that was selling for 100-200 million. (I did think it would've been pretty funny to hit 2 billion on Day One, from something like that, but alas it was not to be.)

Originally Posted by Sir_Lionheart

The small downside is that I went through a bit of trial and error trying to gauge market demand, resulting in a bunch of unsold inventory. I probably did not factor in the weekend price fluctuations accurately. So my questions are:

1) Should I just wait to see if they move at my listed prices? And if so how long should I wait? Or just get rid of them at reduced prices, taking a loss on those items?

Originally Posted by Fury Flechette

I don't think it does. The exact opposite can happen too. Just around the same time that Archie started the experiment, the Markets and servers started to get unstable. Would the experiment also be invalid if Archie wasn't able to use the market at all for the first day? I wouldn't think so.

Even on my own experiment, I had to contend with real life work pressures (I had a couple of days during my week where I only managed to log in for 20 mins) and even an ISP problem. You just have to roll with the punches good or bad.

And even if Archie managed to acquire the initial nest egg quickly, it's still going to be a lot of effort to get the rest of it.

EDIT: on a farming toon, the first few million is exceptionally easy to acquire. 10 mins in AE for 1000+ tickets and turning around and converting it to two pieces of rare salvage can instantly net you 4-5M, more than enough to start placing bids.

Originally Posted by Archie Gremlin

This is 2 hours in. I got a better start than I was expecting.

Someone, somewhere, is feeling rather sad at the moment.

Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy

In your opinion. well maybe wrong on that point maybe not but still I hava general understanding how it works and imo, it's wacked.


Nothing is perfect and no matter what they do even if it's the most perfect thing on the planet such as perfection itself someone aint going to like it. Like I might there are soem aspects of the game that is totally awesome while you say is broke. Sure I could just say you lack understanding since you disagree and my point is supurior and thus have more supurior understanding. Yet, sadly, that may not be true. Maybe it is maybe not but its all in perception of the beholder. As an old man told me once. "To people, everyone else stuff stinks except theres." "People view everyone elses flaws as unforgivable as viewing their own flaws as forgettable and or normal." You clearly demostrated what that old man said. Of course imo.

Originally Posted by DumpleBerry

Sleep on top of it.

Originally Posted by Ironblade

Not terrible, but not once did you address him as "son" or "junior".

Originally Posted by Driver 8

Yes, I'm a new player. I thing I said so in my post? Or did I forget to? I've been awake a long time. Anyway, been playing a couple weeks, and I was presenting a new player's perspective.

The WoW market was intimidating on my first day. I'd never seen an in-game market before. I had no idea what was going on. I asked a few people, had a look at the forums, went back and looked at the items for sale, and slept on the idea. The next day I went back and it started to make sense. A few days later I got one of the auction addons, and was able to make informed decisions about what to sell, when, for how much.

Here, I've been asking around, talking it over with some very smart people, reading the forums like I'm studying for some kind of exam, doing controlled experiments, and I'm still baffled.

From what I've read on these forums, people take handwritten notes, they keep databases, they try to memorize things, or they just plain guess. It's either a lot of fiddly work, or it's an art.

Now, I'm not saying that's unfair or wrong. It's certainly a type of minigame you can play. It's one I'm guaranteed to be totally pants at, because my memory's full of holes, but that's my personal problem.

All I'm saying is that lack of data is what causes the market to fluctuate the way it does. In a stable market, an item wouldn't sell for 200k at 5pm and 20 at 3am. It would be worth roughly the same amount no matter the time of day.

...I hope I'm not coming off as hostile here. I'm a bit dismayed by the nature of the market, but I'm not trying to pick fights with those who claim to understand how it works. On the contrary, I need to learn from you guys, because it's pretty obvious I'm not going to figure it out on my own.

Originally Posted by Driver 8

What I'm seeing in CoX, on the other hand, is a wildly volatile, unpredictable market, in which a new player like myself can't even begin to guess how to buy or sell anything. The only data one is able to obtain is a recent snapshot of sale prices; even within that snapshot, the price may vary hugely, and over the course of a day or two the same item might sell instantly for millions or languish unsold for double digits. Although I gather that certain high-ticket items have nearly fixed values, and that an experienced player may know what these values are, from the perspective of a new player, the market is a slot machine. I make a bet, I pull the handle; maybe I get rich, or maybe I just lose my quarter.

It's confusing, it's frustrating, my inventory's full and I have no clue whether it's junk or gold. I just want to play the dang game.

Originally Posted by Fury Flechette

Actually, I had hoped to start them earlier. I have infamy to spend but nothing to buy. I already have two full sets of Touch of Death ready to slot at when Fara hits 37 However, the bulk of the pieces are level 40. Sub level 40 pieces are as rare as hen's teeth, and I've been covering mulitple ranges in an attempt to gather them. I've been unhappy with the lack of robustness with the villain market.

Good to hear about Crowd Control. I'm looking forward to having it slotted up.