Frogfather

1. Really? Do we have to do this every permutation thing and nitpick...really?

2. And the only source of +def on this mythical team that youre kicking people from is the SoA? None of the other buffs this mythical SoA without TT:M brings is worth keeping around? This is the only one worth anything to you? So is the converse true....if this mythical SoA takes TT:M but takes 3 power pools worth of powers and is a dillhole besides is he now worth keeping? What level do this mythical SoA have to take TT:M by to fit your design standards....?

Sometimes I think people need to realize this is just a game and theres a certain amount of fun in just playing it...

Or they could be softcapped with a couple of set bonuses and perma-mindlink and realized everything after 45% is just extraneous.

Seriously even the phrasing of the title is misleading....what player "refuses" to take TT:Manuveurs...they are either ignorant of game mechanics or build in such a way that is unneccessary. For the record my Fort carries double assault, double manuveurs and the TT:Leadership (so I can slot 6 Gaussians and the +Perception), but if there was something I wanted more than Manuveurs I wouldnt hesitate to swap them out and build to the soft cap with only IO bonuses, a supressed Mask Presence, Perma Mindlink and the auto powers. Really the +15% Def from Mind Link isnt enough to get me invited to a team, not to mention the controls and damage I bring?

Just last month we had a long arduous thread about not taking Mind Link and how people should be kicked from teams, and now I have to take Leadership and Manuveurs....?

I dont know, seems like people are being pretty free with other peoples power slots...

Okay so first its Mind Link now its TT: Manuevers and Tactics...


Would you guys just come together and decide what our SOAs builds are supposed to be and let us know....this paucity of information is disheartening...

--Frog

Im pretty sure you cant take Follow Up and Aim on the same Character. However, Double Stacked FU+Stacked Assaults is still pretty good.

--Frog

I am not ashamed to admit, I started by flipping Spirit Thorns....buying at less than 100 inf, selling at 250+.....and vendoring at least 3 stacks in 5. Then I moved on to vulturing level 45 Common IO recipes....then flipping rare salvage...then memorizing and crafting level 35 Commons....

Now Im a full fledged Marketophile or Flipologist or whatever..but I always look back at Spirit Thorns with a certain fondness.

--Frog

"Advance Warning??!!??" Who would do such a thing...? Thats almost ebil.

Hopefully that means they start churning their own inf onto the pile, only making us stronger in the process.

I actually figured when this whole thing started we wouldnt quite be able to do it....but with enough people actively marketeering it is quite possible it seems. We've burnt 38 Billion give or take....good gawd

The best way I think (because for the most part not many actually play these toons) is to join TheMarket global channel and just ask for someone to invite you. Ill be on tonight starting approximately 9PM ET

--Frog

32? Okay how far to the top 10? And we're going to have to track how fast the number one slot is earning...vs how fast we're earning etc...or do we even care?

(had a 400 million error in my favor over the weekend...that went straight into the firepit...so thank you to the guy with the really expensive Impervium Armor IO, that error bought our individually monogrammed toilet paper)

Someone has to clean the Goats stall....

Can I just say, while thats not my thing, I love it when people use the game for some end thats not intended but go all out and make it just as legitimate as anything the dev community might come up with.

Im gonna burn a billion in their honor...

--Frog

Nope, didnt say that....best of luck




Funny I thought merits were put in to let soloers avoid the market and mitigate the effects of "quick Katies" and those associated problems....HVMs would seem to me to be an attempt to address the hollowing of the market in the mid levels that occured because of merits.

Tickets, I got no idea what they were thinking....

Theres more than one interpretation depending on where you stand. I guess its true "if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail"

Thats disingenuous at best.....the devs put alternate forms of supply that mitigate market interaction for those that dont want to deal with a consignment house. Flippers do not equate to the market, nor can you define the original intent.

Im not trying to be a contrarian neccessarily....but your SG should be about more than the prestige you earn. It should be a collection of like-minded individuals striving for a common goal or somesuch...in the spirit of the great Supergroups of comic lore. Our common goal happens to be the destruction of vast amounts of in-game wealth in a thoroughly bizarre and ultimately meaningless method.....the gnashing of teeth that accompany that is just bonus.


On another note...now assuming Im finally ready to take my Praetorian Dominator out to Paragon...who do I see about an invite....? Approximately 9-10PM ET tonight....

Frog

I agree with the sentiment if nothing else, this is a lot of virtual resources being promised for the attempt. At the end of the day we need someone who ultimately everyone can agree wont kick everyone out and doink everyone over in the process.

Start the SG...open up the permissions for everyone to do everything. I dont car if every single point of prestige gets spent then deleted if Im still in the SG. I dont think anyone is going to make this theyre defacto toon for any purpose so I nominate any of the market regulars who are completely uninterested to be our safety net and supreme leader.

Are you not going to be able to feed your kids if you dont get an NMI? Really? Are you in any mortal peril? Is any task going to take you hours longer if you dont get one of these? Is Goat buying up all the excess so he can sell it back at a profit even? It is not even remotely similar. If the Goat was selling these you may have a case.

This would be more akin to Goat buying all the flashlights from the gougers and then lighting them on fire with a flamethrower while maniaclly cackling as another truck marked "Cheap Flashlights" pulls up for delivery. Its silly and pointless but not in any way detrimental to anyone with half a wit to look at the second truck.

I can accept you think Im off in that point, just as I think we have no idea how many were supplied to Goat, how many were destroyed and what the typical NMI demand flow is. But merely as a factor of inf theres far more inf going to people selling than the total amount ever spent buying over that span. When you factor in theres always a backlog of NMIs to be sold and Goat was creeping into that, Im certain more were bought than were being supplied. If thats the case then it only stands to reason that more people on the demand side were selling theirs than a typical night. If Supply is Greater than Demand and Goat Demand is Greater than Supply then it stands to reason (according to the Transitive Property of something or other) that Goat Demand is greater than Demand....therefore more suppliers were happy than demanders unhappy.....

Why do we always look at these things from the demand side...? Makes no sense. I am not an economist, nor do I play one on TV....but it would seem to me for every person shocked and dismayed about the NMI prices there was one who supplied it that said "Holy crap that sold for how much" during Goats shenanigans. Probably more than one if he was deleting faster than supply was coming in.

Truth be told, Im guessing Nethergoat made more people smile than cringe during his manipulations. And that should stick nicely in his craw.

Geez dude, comparing a want item in a video game to a need item for simple human survival (albeit in a temporary situation) is downright disingenous that does more harm to your position than good.

Im going to take partial credit for the idea of buying out the top SG spot, its ridiculous and wasteful....with that being said my motives are nowhere near as nefarious as some...

Remember Brewsters Millions? What a great movie that was....some people in the market forum are Richard Pryor...buying icebergs to float to Africa, buying $200k collectors stamps and using them as postage, or in this case voting "none of the above". Some would take the 30Million and call it a day....some would find a way to do otherwise. Maybe a better movie reference would be Steve Martin in the Jerk, but I digress.

There is a worthwhile value to destroying inf. Fulmens, for all his efforts has only managed to destroy a tiniest of tiny fractions of a percentage of what is out there. In fact I doubt he (and others) kept up with what was being generated, so in a sense he looked like Gandalf standing in front of the Balrog saying "You shall not pass"....except he's just some dork in a cloak he made himself and light wand he got from Sharper Image. Anyhow, the reason he destroys inf is to keep it out of circulation, thus increasing the purchasing power of non-destroyed inf and holding prices down.

So, is my goal to destroy inf and help all the people of COH? No....not really. I dont care about what other people do in game. I have 10s of billions accumulated and need something to do with it plain and simple. I dont want to give it away because Im not altruistic, I dont want to burn it...if Im going to spend it I want to see something come from it. I know if I burn it on something Im just going to earn it back....so I need something big to do with my moola

In this case, buying the top spot on Virtue seems to be within reach of a consortium. Not comfortably so...but within reach. It would be visual representation of the power of the market.

I propose the formation of the "Crazy '88s"

Charter: A formation of like minded wealth-afflicted individuals with too much inf of all sorts. The goal of the organization would be the achievement of the Number One spot (based on prestige only) of the Virtue server. There is no minimum entry fee. SG Mode actively discouraged.

I however do not have any toons above level 10 on Virtue. So Im going to start work on that, if theres anyone who will volunteer to make the SG that would be appreciated. Otherwise you can wait a day or two for me to get to it.

Im going to guess the grueling task of hoisting yourself up on your soapbox caused this particular line to be missed....

"Note to Haters:
as an illustration of the marketeer maxim PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE prices were back down around 1k shortly after I stopped probing the upper end of the supply."--Quoth the Goat

Its okay...happens to every one of us....but tends to deflate the idea that a single individual or small consortium of people can withstand market pressures long enough to cause significant long term price shift....

I miss the Rep function cause I know a small but enthusiastic hailstorm would be coming my way....

You too?