Frogfather

Originally Posted by Max_zero

Low ball listings do exist whether flippers are there or not. Or do people specifically provide low ball bids just for flippers?

Originally Posted by DreadShinobi

Also keep in mind that with the recharge alpha slot you can indirectly increase your damage output. Even if your ML is perma, your attack chain is flawless you can still get the recharge alpha slot and sacrifice some of your recharge set bonuses and get more +dmg bonuses or other things that might interest you. It is worth looking into and experimenting with.

For example my Scrapper will be going the recharge alpha slot route, however because I can ditch some of my recharge set bonuses and and a couple Recharge IOs I had enough room in my build for 18% more damage buff. (10.5% from ditching a lotg slot for assault, and 7.5% from other various +dmg set bonuses that I squeezed out with the extra slots I got and reworking +rchg sets into sets with +dmg). And my recharge will still be better than it is in my i18 build.

Originally Posted by StabBot

I used Nevermelting Ice as an example specifically because it used to cost less than 1k and now routinely goes for over 50k, topping out around what, 110k?

You guys talk a lot about inflation. Maybe I'm sorely mistaken, but do you believe the amount of money in the game has doubled in the past year? Quadrupled? Increased a hundredfold? I would wager that your perception of inflation is sorely inflated, but maybe I'm mistaken.

Obviously the AE issues have exacerbated things, but the notion that they've directly increased the cost of Nevermelting Ice tenfold, much less fiftyfold while providing an incredibly easy way to procure said Nevermelting Ice is a step further than I'm willing to suspend my disbelief.

Originally Posted by Max_zero

Lazy people? If all prices were shown then the lowest shown would be the floor not what you arbitrarily decide it to be.

Originally Posted by Lohenien

you put them up at 70 million that is why you fail. I've been flipping them for the last week and a half from 37m to 45m. Yours will never sell if I do not leave the niche. That is why you must pvp with me to earn the sales. You want to sell your stock ? List it lower than I do.

Originally Posted by Obitus

That's cute. Selective editing for the win. What if I just posted your above quote with the 'not' edited out?

Originally Posted by Max_zero

Just for the record I got around 14 Regenerative Tissue recipes through AE tickets and crafted and put them up at 70 mil.

If you check the amount for sale there is a bit of a glut of them. It's why the price dropped.

Originally Posted by Max_zero

Why would it?

If there a low prices, medium prices and high prices how does turning the low prices into medium prices cause the high prices to fall? Please point out the economic principle that supports that.

You cause and effect has absolutely no link. You add 3-4 million to the lowest priced IOs and say it lowers the highest price?! All you have done is raise the average price.

Originally Posted by Max_zero

Yes but the fact is if the flipper wants to make a profit his relisted price HAS to be higher then the price he bought it for. No matter how you slice it the flipper makes the IO cost more.

Originally Posted by Flux_Vector

Since we can switch based on our needs, I intend to have musculature and cardiac both available, and swap depending on circumstances. Endurance is my widow's major weakness, but my i19 build should be slightly better endurance-wise and I'm not sure I'll need to use the alpha slot on further reduction or not.

Originally Posted by Max_zero

I can get it without the flipper there. The only difference is without the flipper it's cheaper.

The IO was there before the flipper got there. Every middleman you add just adds to the price.

Get rid of the middleman save $$$.

Originally Posted by Lothic

I agree that'd be a "possible" way for him to have accomplished something like this.

I'm still just not buying the idea that he would put that much thought and effort into a plot for "revenge" like that. It's quite likely that Merle is now insane after his ordeal and he could very well want to kill everyone in the camp. But he just seems more like the type who'd grab a machete and try to personally hack people apart instead of being a "zombie wrangler" willing to lure a horde of zombies to the camp.

Originally Posted by Chyll

Lucky, or they followed the scent trail on the only stairway the living had used. Either way, it beat jumping or using a fire escape () where he wouldn't have left a nifty urban trail to track through the building showing his ingenuity and perseverance.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

there was a time when everyone I made was Magic, because I'd *mostly* figured out what was what on my first character.

=P

Originally Posted by Dark One

BLASPHEMY!

You don't use alkiehol for molotovs, you use gasoline like any red-blooded, redneck zombie fighter!

Originally Posted by Genesis Man

So... anyone else think that was WAY too many zombies all at once? Almost like someone brought, say... a whole moving van worth of zombies to the camp?

Note: I have not read the comics either, that's just speculation.

Originally Posted by Turjan

I've been wondering about the apparent mad recent rise in common invention salvage prcies too actually - which is in fact why I found this thread...I was looking to see if anyone else had commented on the same thing.

Let me say at the outset, I'm hardly the world's biggest Wentworth's customer, but I do like to put the odd item there cheap (to count towards towards the WW badges), and I do sometimes hunt for a missing set recipe or single pesky piece of missing salvage.

So my experience of the ebb and flow of market prices is not huge - but I have to say that in the past, while I've seen individual common salvage items rocket in price as a FotM, it has usually been just that : a certain bit of salvage hiked in price for a limited time. I check back in a few days and it's back down to something sensible (like anywhere between 1 and 500inf).

Recently though, just about EVERY common salvage item I've looked at has seemed to be selling for thousands, or 10s of thousands - sometimes more. So now instead of lazily buying a piece I might be needing, I say "Stuff that!" and log my alts until I find one who has the piece I want. Time consuming perhaps, but on principle there's no way I'm paying 50k for a COMMON piece of salvage. Clue's in the name, people : common, i.e. they ain't really that hard to find...

So, as I pondered this last night ingame, another thought struck me - yes, I've seen price hikes ever since the Mission Architect arrived in the game...but it's only recently I've seen the number of items hiked up like they are now.

Two possible answers suggested themselves, both to do with the release of Going Rogue.
(ironic considering the alignment description of Rogue being all about wealth and riches, lol)

1) The market rises might be due an influx of new, eager players, suddenly flush with cash and impatience in equal measure, eager to buy that item NOW, and also having little experience of market history beyond the very short "recent history" price list.

2) The unpleasant spectre of Gold Farmers deliberately destabilising the market to persuade players to buy their illicit Inf...

Obviously, I'm hoping it's 1) and it will eventually settle down - but the paranoid part of me can't hep but remember the large gangs of bizarrely named and randomly costumed toons I saw hanging around the Portal Corps stargates in the weeks leading up to the release of Going Rogue.

Sure, a lot of folks have a farming alt (fire/kin anyone?) but when you see a full team of level 50 Chinese-named toons with no veteran badges (and the bare minimum of achievement badges for that matter), it is somewhat suspicious is it not?

Gold Farmers also have the financial pull to destabilise the market - after all, as I said earlier, a lot of players (especially new players) don't think beyond the list of recent sales of an item to gauge its price, and all you have to do as a gold farmer is to keep the price artificially inflated long enough to scroll the realistic prices off the recent list, and hope the eager players blow all their cash on common items so they'll then rush off to buy Inf online.

Well, for my part, I won't be buying any common salvage for a while, and hope the prices do return to normality soon, either by new players settling in, or the gold farmers realising they've picked the wrong game to peddle their wares.

Thank you devs for expanding email to include attachments! =D

Originally Posted by BigBlueMachine

A legitimate question to all the Marketeers.

So for the last several issues worth of time I've established a habit which has left every last character I've ever made completely worry free for INF till it's time to start IOing said character (usually around 30).

My habit being to sell every non orange piece of salvage I find for 1 single INF regardless of selling price and time of the day/week (I just save the oranges till aforementioned IOing time or I find one worth more pretty pennies than I can turn my head at).

So is my market habits a bad thing to the greater good of the Market or does it not matter in the least?

A sincere question to all of the Economic geniuses found here. I would like to know if what I've been doing to make things easier on myself is/has in some way potentially made something worse for someone else.

To those who think "I'm doing it wrong because I could making SOOOO MUCH more" or some such. Please don't reply in thread, I've never tried to max it out and don't care to ... I've only tried to alleviate my preIOing INF needs, nothing more.

Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by The_Masque

I agree.

I'm not so sure I agree with this however. While the idea of destroying inf and the theory that this will lead to lowering the prices on the market maybe valid (I'm certainly no economist) there seems to be more motivation then just goodwill with what the 88's are doing.

I have only given the thread a cursory glance so I am in all likelihood coloring the whole idea of it with a bias brush. However, from what I have seen there is also an agenda to take the #1 prestige spot, that goal has nothing to do with burning inf or driving down market prices that is more screwing with the fluffy bunnies.

Don't get me wrong I have a great amount of respect for Flumens and appreciate him for offering to match inf for inf prestige trade ins.

It would seem to me that you could do the same thing by just creating a lvl 1 dumping 2 bill on him, filling his market slots with 2 bill bids, his email with max inf and then deleting him.

Originally Posted by Rodion

If you actually did this with this much dedication, and ran at +0/x2 or x3 or higher, you'd almost certainly pick up two or three purples, which you could sell and cut your time by a half or two-thirds. The drop rate per purple seems to be one per 2000-4000 mobs. If you're really doing alignment missions solo every day with a reasonable team size multiple you should be getting a purple every week or two.

The mistake people who are trying for purples make is trying to rush through things and do as little as possible to complete the alignment missions. If your goal is purples, you will maximize your chances of getting them maximizing the number of mobs you defeat per minute.

In I19 Incarnate Shards will drop only from level 50+ mobs, so you will probably want to get used to running at +0, and not bother with -1 at all. Scrappers and brutes should probably run at +0/x8/bosses if they can take down bosses efficiently, while tankers should probably run at +0/x8/no bosses. Other characters should run at the highest multiple they can comfortably.

Originally Posted by DSorrow

I don't think ignoring him is the best solution, to be honest. If everyone who knows what they're on about ignores him, and he goes on with his crusade in another thread, people who haven't yet decided their sides might join his because no one is out there to point out how preposterous his claims are.

I think this is how cults of all kinds are formed in remote locations.

Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion

This is the first line of defense of any petty criminal, or market mastermind for that matter. "Prove it" part B of this is that they always want you to prove it with a simple one sentence statement, or show a picture of them sticking a knife in someone's back. If you dare to start discussing concepts, exploring ideas, or following threads of logic, the insults only get louder, and the indignant statements flow like water.