Frogfather

False really? Everything is supplied eventually, Im not a "buy it nao" person, so unless we're talking about something that is no longer produced your statement is incorrect. The floor is still 3million unless theres some arbitrary time frame youve decided on.

I understand its semantics really....but I think all your arguments are predicated on perspective and what you get so vehement about is just seeing things from a different vantage point....

This example is incorrect. He raised the low end to three million and change. So by your standards he's raised the lower bound by less than a million and lowered the upper bound by between 5 and 0 million

I believe that would be a net lowering of the price

It couldnt have been a year....Jaime was born in 266 and knighted at the confirmed age of 15 at 281 before the Harrenhall tournament. So it could have been early 281 but more likely mid to late 281. Neds dad and brother died in 282 and marked the start of Roberts Rebellion. I dont have seasons to mark the early or lateness in a year but it seems to me considering transit times and such that Brandon wouldnt have heard about Lyanna/Rhaegar for a month or two, then another month transit time, then another month for Rickard to make it down to KL to be burned.

Unless theres something to the contrary Im going to assume Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar, Im sorry...was abducted by....shortly after that tourney. She just didnt have time to make it back home and the whole thing to start.

I know thats all nitpicky so if anyone points out a flaw I will give-over. Im not interested in defending it.

On to another discussion

From Quaithe to Dany

“Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and Dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun’s son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal.”
Pale Mare= Plague
Kraken= Victarion
Dark Flame = Moqorro
Lion=
Griffon=Connington
Sun's son=Prince Quentyn
Mummers Dragon=
Perfumed Seneschal=??

If the Lion equals Tyrion, why is he grouped in this with Connington like Victarion and Moqorro. Of course, if Aegon is the mummer's dragon why is he not grouped with Connington?

Is there another Lion running around the eastern lands? For that matter who the hell is that Quaithe lady?

I have no idea.

Jaime was born in 266 AL, Promoted to the Kingsguard during or just before the Tourney at Harrenhal, the same Harrenhall the Rhaegar disappeared from (presumably with Lyanna)...then Tywin resigned, right in the middle of the man hunt for Rhaegar. The rebellion began with Rhaegars disappearance, that was something you think an involved Hand would want to stick around for.

I have no problem with your description of motives, I think your timeline is slightly misleading.

I think I explained things poorly.

Tywin was Aerys' Hand. He left Kings Landing during Roberts Rebellion forcing Aerys to find a new Hand, which is why Connington was promoted early and then the pyromancers and I think there was a Swift in between.

Aerys and Tywin were boyhood friends. Joanna was Tywins first cousin (think about that implication for Joffrey for a sec), I think Aerys already knew Joanna at Tywins wedding and took "liberties" with her. I dont believe it was **** or anything was conceived. It would be much later when Aerys' madness comes to a crescendo or Joanna has an affair with him. Twyin packs up his bags when he finds out and takes his pregnant wife home.

Im not trying to convert anyone but.....

1) When Jaime speaks with his mothers vision in whatever book that was he got his hand chopped off...she says "Twyin had hopes for his children, his son a knight and his daughter a queen" no mention of Tyrion

2) Tywin exclaims to Tyrion "you are not my son" as he's about to die

3) Tywin is incensed when Aerys names Jaime to the Kingsguard. Its an honor but also puts Tyrion in line for the Lannister Lordship

4) Selmy tells Dany two things....that Aerys was fond of Joanna in an inappropriate manner, and that he took "liberties" during the wedding night. Im not saying **** or anything here just he was willing to go beyond certain bounds

5) Tyrions hair is closer to white than blonde.

6) The mismatched eye thing

7) Tywin suddenly and emphatically left kings landing in the middle of a damned rebellion and no reason is given.

And there you go....think what you will

We've kinda sorta learned that Tyrion is a Targ as well. When Selmy speaks to Dany about Aerys, he tells her of Aerys' appreciation for Joanna Lannister. Couple that with Tywins sudden departure from Kings Landing back during Roberts Rebellion and Tywins general distaste for Tyrion and its possible

Aegon is a fake,Tyrion is the mummer's dragon

The issue wasnt that the past naming purge didnt free up names, its that no one used those particular ones. Id be willing to bet an expanded name purge would result in the same effect, Im just not willing to get behind that.

This isnt a problem (for me), and while Im sympathetic to your frustration, admittedly theres only a finite numbers of names possible, I just dont think this will have the effect you want and Im not willing to take something from even a non-playing customer without proof that this will solve the problem for the playing customer.

You cant expect me to do my own research...I pay people for that, I also pay someone else to be shocked at what they find, I have another guy who contorts my face to the proper facial expression....I cant be bothered to express emotion, that takes time...time=money....and Im not paying someone so I can cry. That seems silly.

Except you said Garth....which threw me for a loop....because thats the real name of Aqualad, except not this Aqualad but the other Aqualad....which I wouldnt have corrected you on because Im not that much of a nitpicker....but I, like Cheetahtron was confused.

I feel better now though.

--Frog

Wait...wha? 25B? Thats a typo no? Im feeling woozy....cant breathe. Need to lie down.

Good form Mandur. Good show.

You know I have no idea what inf sells for in the real world....someone that does should figure out how much real money we've burnt so I can die a little inside.

--Frog

The oath of the Nights Watch does explicitly state it ends at your death. Assuming Jon dies at the hands of his brothers (the irony being Bran and Rickon were not killed by their brother but Jon was) he would be free to get with Dany. If Jon doesnt die then I cant see it happening because of that oath and Jon being the type now to hold to his oath.

As an aside I believe Azor Ahai, the Prince that was Promised and the Stallion that mounts the world are three different people. I know who my candidates are for those three slots but yeah...

--Frog

Whose to say they didnt?

In the books The Commander of Eastwatch, Cotter Pyke sending a letter that he caught some wildlings attempting to go around Eastwatch by the sea exactly as you say. My memory is fuzzy truthfully. And I also remember some wildling king building war rafts and trying to do the same thing by force in some discussed history of the books.

Regardless I was surprised reading the series that so many wildlings were going over the wall, Im not surprised that many were going around the wall.

I will say in the East, Cotter Pyke and the Isle of Skagos (cannibals yeesh) are not easy to pass, and Bear Island in the West would probably prove problematic but the truth is they probably did pass by seas and the public at large just hasnt heard of it.

Judging by the attitude of the wildlings that get screen time in the books a lot of them just dont want to come south. Not until theyre fleeing something or raiding do they bother.

I think the wall was built to keep out the grumpkins and people just thought that it was working against the wildlings in general.

Wait....wasn't this your genius plan all along?

Step 1) Burn Inf for Lulz,
Step 2) Hope some other sucker burns more to keep pace...preferably multiple suckers,
Step 3) ...
Step 4) Profit

You're a fiscal mastermind manipulator!!

My father was a disagreeable acoholic drug user who gave me a lot of bad advice that I never took to heart...but even he said...."Hating anyone because of their race, creed or color is stupid....there's plenty of perfectly good reasons to hate just about everybody"

For the record, Ive seen more than one person post a thank you in the market forums for the various guides and posts like this thread. But thats besides the point.

Regardless, if you disagree with someones methods feel free to post somewhere else your own methods or even attack the precepts that they are trying to demonstrate, but the hand waving dismissal is oblivious at best....at some point you have to realize that you are not the audience this intended for and dont have the perspective on what would be valuable here (Neither do I truth be told)

I do enjoy your overreaction and sensitivity though. I call you a downer and you attack my parenting skills and character. Truthfully it was worth a good laugh. Im not offended, your escalation of insults is cartoonish in its attempts to be derogatory and could not possibly offend a level headed person

Best of luck, I wont be taking up this thread any more with this discussion...PM or rant back at me at your leisure

Apologies to everyone else

--Frog

eryq2: Official Wet Blanket of the Market Forums


--Frog

No, I think youre missing the point. I cant speak for everyone but in my History Classes in High School (California US) we covered the history and accomplishments of Western Europe and on into the US. The history of Africa was told through the prism of which "white dude" discovered what. South America too if I recall correctly. Asian history was glossed over as well....I found "World" History to be more about white America and its achievements than anything else. At the time I didnt find it odd, but in retrospect after gaining a little perspective its obvious my education was skewed.

Even in college, my only non elective history course was "Western History 1842 to present"

Regardless of educational bias I dont think that celebrating something denigrates something else. I dont think having a Star of David on a public piece of land diminishes Christianity, I dont think talking about a certain culture makes mine any less viable. When someone points out their favorite sports team it doesnt make mine less...I think kids should learn about more figures than George Washington Carver and the Alamo at school. Look at these months as opportunities and not crosses to bear and youll be happier for it


--Frog