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Umm dont forget
Mids Hero Planner
http://www.cohtitan.com/
I want to say Red Tomax's City of Data as well but I cant get to that site from work so I wont post the link as I cant verify...
But seriously, download Mids...so incredibly useful for character building...I cant waste hours trying to tweak a build....only to come back to 2 days later and wonder what I was thinking as I retweak
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Quote:Its clear you and I define need differently....Originally Posted by Minotaur
No I don't find it sad that he can't afford to pimp out his toon immediately, I find it sad that at 47 where he is now, he can't afford a single set of ToD let alone the several he needs. He has 12M left having bought some of the cheap IOs (and even cheap rare IOs will cost 2.5M in most cases for a rare salvage, buying the recipe and level 40-50 crafting fee).
He made all the mistakes casual players make (as well as blowing tens of millions in Icon), sold recipes not enhancements etc.
Regardless I refuse to have any sympathy for a level 47 Fire/Shield Scrapper not being able to afford all the IOs he can possibly want....really? Cant afford rare salvage? The AE is in virtually every zone...set diff to X8 +0 No bosses and go crazy. Theres an opportunity cost to teaming...salvage and drops, but this opportunity cost is not insurmountable. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Minotaur
Where it hit home to me was somebody who'd been playing the game a couple of weeks who just joined our SG a week or so ago. He's an experienced MMO player, and pretty competent already on his 47 fire/shield scrapper, but clearly what he doesn't have is in game cash. He had reached level 30 ish before he joined us, and had no clue how to make cash. He then had a subsequent avoidable disaster where he spent most of his cash saving costume designs in Icon not realising this cost inf
I put together something softcapped and not totally excessive in terms of what it used, the only thing in it that would cost 40M+ would be the oblit quad, but he's a million miles away from being able to afford things like the touch of deaths and the other oblits. Too many things that even for a year or two after I9 were available for relative peanuts are costing 5-10M each for the recipe.
The player in this discussion has been playing a couple of weeks and you think its sad he cant afford top-end IOs? ToDs, Oblits, etc cost that much because people want them. People that want them pay Inf for them. This has nothing to do with flippers but with people wanting things to smack things better.
I dont think anyone was disingenous about this...Goat ticket thread, Fury Flechettes 0 to Billions thread, et al all mention playing solo. If youre talking about levelling 1-50 and not having inf, then people arent being as genuine as they can be...theyre doing something wrong. Even teamed as much ascould, my latest Defender hit 50 with 93 million inf, no flipping and 328 merits stored. Amazingly enough, never lacking in common IOs or SOs to perform well on any team.Quote:Originally Posted by Minotaur
Most of the trials along the lines of "I just sold what I dropped and had 200 million inf at 50" I suspect were done solo and with a lot more drops than many people get. -
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Im not the be all end all guy for brutes...I like them...
My build for my Elec/SD is much more expensive than the one I threw up there.
Your priorities are Soft Cap (45% Def to all positionals) Recharge and then Regen.
So with being said...I swapped out your 6 slots of red fortune with 3 slots of Gift of the Ancients. Consider Luck of the Gamblers for the Recharge if you can afford it.
Thunderstrike is made for 5 slots of Scirroco for the AOE defense and the rather inexpensive Force Feedback proc. Some people do other things, I love that one...
More than one slot in Phlanax Fighting is a waste, its not enhancable. LotG mule and there ya go
Pulled those slots out of taunt, you didnt need them.
Made Havoc Punch viable with a ToD set.
Stamina I six slotted. You dont actually need the AOE def from Performance Shifter, so when you tweak thats where Id start
Removed Stealth. Added Unbounded Leap Stealth IO to Sprint. Does the same thing. Not as annoying. Added Combat Jumping and the BotZ. Do what you want there.
Removed Electrfying Fences for Mu Lightning. Consider the Soul Mastery Patron Pool though. Gloom is as good a Single Target Power youre going to get...
Made some other changes. Much closer to all three Def Caps...
And Active Defense, you want to change that to a recharge and not a end reduction IO -
Quote:Originally Posted by Candlestick
My SS/Elec is at 26 right now, and I am still unsure of what to build for IO wise. Obviously +Recharge is a big one, to get Energize up as quickly as possible, but what else? Nothing really to stack +Def with, would you go +Regen instead?
I am planning on doing farming with this character as well, and I know the main Villain farm, Nemesis, just busts through defense anyways.
First off, everything is a farm nowdays...but if youre goal is the Nemisis farm your priorities should be Recharge Recharge Recharge +HP/Regen in some order. Recharge would help Footstomp and Rage as well as energize....and killing things is the best mitigation
If you have other plans consider getting about 30% or so S/L defense. That would make anything not named Nemisis ridiculously easy.
But really why not just find a nice Rikti map and play to /Elec's strengths...anyhow, good luck and all that -
Quote:Originally Posted by Minotaur
Frogfather, that's one of the most patronising replies I've ever seen, it is partially correct, but not entirely.
If that cracks your top 1% of patronizing posts you not on here enough. Regardless, DarkCurrent probably didnt deserve my level of vitriol and for that I apologize...
I do fail to see how your reply disagreed with mine even one iota though...
Youre saying game economy differs from the real world doesnt detract from the point that supply and demand are still the major forces moving this market. The lack of any real expense means 100% of the players income is placed on the "discretionary" side of the ledger makes those supply and demand swings a lot wider than the real world but its the same basic forces. I will agree that theres differing factors at work between the real world and game world but its the same principle and once thats understood it becomes kind of easy to use the market. Its a tool, not an enigma. -
Quote:You realize you just lost any credibility right there....really...you did...right there. Go back and reread that until you figure out whyOriginally Posted by DarkCurrent
I'm going to weigh in on this point because I disagree with this concept that supply and demand is driving up costs.
Your example is horrible. Theres X number of supply being sold at 10K and 0 bids and you think these evil flippers are driving up the price? You do realize its stupidity and sheep-like behavior thats driving up the price. Theres 0 bids. Bid 100 and wait a sec, Ill bet you get one. The constant influx of supply will put these people out of buisness. You can pay what they want or bid something more reasonable. And I have to tell you, red side you can do that with just about every piece of salvage. Occassionally all the lower hanging fruit of a given item will get bought by this player called Demand and then the over priced ones that another player (We'll call him Supply) put up to gouge people will get bought and youll end up with some horrendous 300k selling of Demonic Blood Sample....but thats to be expected.Quote:Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
There a plenty of examples of salvage for which there are hundreds of them in stock and there are ZERO bids, yet the minimum price is thousands of inf. There's no way you can convince me that there are 1000 sellers out there all wanting at least 10,000 infamy for an alchemical gold. No, instead there are more like 10 sellers with 100 alchemical golds each that control that market and buy up any of the 'under priced' supply with the dozens of standing orders they have placed.
The problem is that any single player has access to way too many bid slots. Stacks of 10 are too many. I'd start there, cutting that number in half, to begin to curb the inflation.
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Quote:And Ill betcha that ebil Quartermaster didnt slot it, but flipped it for insane profit while gouging the casual warshade (who was blue before this but anger made him purple)...and drove up prices at the same time.Originally Posted by AMID
Thats a tough one. Back in i12 I was all excited that I got my last piece of Apoc. The triple I think. Then on my way to craft it I stopped by the Quartermaster to get rid of junk and sold it to him. I was very sad the rest of the day.
Dirty Filthy Quartermaster -
My complete condolences. Look at the bright side, you had that much inf to accidentally blow....most people dont. Well I guess one more person does today
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oohh...
So I was in a relatively static SG of 5 people. We made some new toons to go from 1-50 with...I decide to make the teen age angsty guilt ridden DM/DA scrapper named Kid Vengence. Right about level 14 one of the others points out I mispelled Vengeance. Im not a stickler for spelling so I couldnt let that stand. I rerolled and put in a marathon session solo to catch up.
I joined the team for the first time and theres a number of snickers on vent. "Wha?".....someone replies..."You killed my parents, so I baked you a pie". Laughter ensues....Then I notice in my haste to get rerolled I had spelled Vengeance correctly, but missed on Kid. I had named my new Dark scrapper "Kind Vengeance" -
Quote:Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
*points at sig* That's why one of my four rules of tanking is for Tanks to get in the mob fast and first. No need to be hanging back, and they do their job best if they're getting in there first.
I tend to keep that philosophy a little too much on my other characters, too. I've been known to bite off more than I can chew with my Blasters, though my Earth/Storm Controller can mitigate as well as my tanks.
Theres that....I tank, and brute a lot....and if Im not the first into the mob its because someone has superspeed on or something....
Sometimes it does peeve me at lower levels (35-) when its a consistent race between me and the blaster to get to the next mob but sometimes I lag just a little bit and he faceplants and I feel happy
Right now my love redside is a 50 fortunata Im trying to get all the TFs done with. I stopped waiting for everyone to load into the mission, I stopped waiting for the brute or MM to be the meatshield. Ill load in, and if more than half the team is there I run into the next mob. People may follow or not at their own discretion. What does annoy is when we have a strategy thats working well, then all of a sudden 7 other people take a left turn behind me and I hit the next mob solo. I usually figure it out pretty quick but yeah...thanks for the warning. -
Quote:Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I get jazzed when I get a purple drop.
Jazzing does have its own intrinsic value...consider my challenge to your statement nullified.
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Quote:Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Generally I don't AE after level 46 because of the obscure possibility of getting purple IO recipe drops. I prefer to use Ouroboros for level 45-50 arcs to get merits and keep the purple possibility alive.
But I can make enough in 20 mins of AEing to equal a decent purple drop.....of course thats after level 50. I could see where it would be more fun and profitable to run arcs from 46 up to but not including 50.
As always, your mileage may vary....
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kitteh
Come September (as the first wave of new 50s ride in), items will be turning over quite quickly and at NAO prices (NAO + X% if we have a 2XP before GR).
I think that as long as you are (or have been) able to buy low, it's going to be pretty hard NOT to make ridiculous piles of INF this fall.
I dont even think you have to think that far ahead...
With GR comes the blase peeps that moved on to other games are coming back...when they come back theyre going to be spending tons and/or scads of inf "right NAO!". Patient bidding now will net huge profits in the future. But as always, those that are making money now will continue to make money then... -
Quote:Originally Posted by Diggis
Isn't there a 'don't remind me next time button'? I checked it on a character who has the crafting badges as they always triggered it.
There is a, but it seems to reset every time you zone...or blink... -
Quote:Originally Posted by Lucky666
For 1 the market is all 1 server for it doesn't matter where you play. Maybe you just don't use the maket as heavly as some of us but my being back only a few days and I spotted problems that others seem to have also.
Its already pointed out that market server lag and zone lag can be inextricably linked, but let me add that some of us do use the market as much as you, and dont have near as much hate for the new interface.
I have my list of things I would improve, but the implication that "a monkey could have done better" (OP) is objectionable at best and childish at the other end.
Enjoy your tantrum, hope you get your point across in spite of the language. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Toxic_Chill
to achieve max availablity of mindlink should Hasten be auto fire or should mind link. Currently i have ML but i miss hitting hatsen in combat alot.
I dont even know what yer asking....but Ill try... because you cant auto fire two things...it makes sense to autofire the one that is going to be firing the most, saving you valuable click or type time....which would be ML....but Hasten effects everything so maybe you want to ensure thats going as often as possible....
Dunno, what do you think? -
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Quote:Originally Posted by Fulmens
People ARE stupid, but not the people you think.
Scenario 1: I buy up 10,000 salvage for 50, sell them to a vendor for 250. I make 200 * 10,000 = 2 million inf, and it takes me (at 40 salvage per run, generously) 250 round trips.
Scenario 2: I buy a Thunderstrike for 100K, three pieces of salvage for a total of 100K- overspending WILDLY- spend 490K crafting it, sell it for 3 million, give 300K to Mr. Wentworth. 100K recipe, 500K crafting, 100K salvage, 300K wentfees= 1 million. I make 2 million inf.
... or someone who can't be bothered bids 5 million and I make just under 4 million inf.
People are stupid, but not the ones you are thinking of.
(For extra credit, how long would it take you to make a billion inf?)
Can I say that Fulmens makes the point admirably....
The price of common salvage for most recipes I craft are such that the difference between 25 and 125000 inf is meaningless. The time it takes me to type is the only thing that makes a difference....so why would I waste my time typing out 100 and maybe not get something.
For those of you that are squeezing the margins and ekeing out an existence flipping salvage stacks....youre welcome. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Otherwise, I'd be free to use an opposing assumption to yours stating that the player with the better build is most probably a better player overall as they have a better understand of game mechanics.
Then you're a rational player.
Im just going to have to say I disagree with you and bow out. Not that the power isnt vital to the character or a good to great one, but that it invalidates a characters team-contribution if he doesnt have it. Im saying the former and yer saying the later and I dont think you see that...in fact I think virtually everyone is saying the former but you.
Best of luck
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Quote:Fair enough...but I would ask, why is this arbitrary equally skilled players such a stickler for you? All things being equal obviously I would rather have the team buffs than not, but youve structured the question in such a way to make the answer moot as well. Youre taking a nebulous idea and eschewing anything that does not make it black and white to make your point. In a vacuum I agree with you, but on principle I just cant make this all encompassing a statementOriginally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
The difference is that this is a dumb, stacked example specifically fabricated to make your point seem like it make sense.
Don't worry, you're not the only one in the thread who keeps perpetrating this myth of the 'awesomely played' no maneuvers widow vs. the poorly played well built widow.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
I agree with this completely.
Unfortunately, you stand a good chance of now being labeled a build nazi as I was.
This is because people think it's ridiculous for you to expect players to come to the table with a build intended for teaming, and a team focused approach to playing when they want to join a team.
On a side note, I'd be much happier if veteran players would send you a tell that their build has skipped X, knowing it's an important skill - I'd even be more apt to invite them since they were upfront with me.
I find that in the majority of the cases, it simply doesn't happen.
Not letting the team know beforehand is deceptive, and selfish.
Basically from my perspective, they want on a team to reap the rewards of teaming (faster XP, merits, etc.) but were unwilling to build for it, as well as unwilling to be upfront about the build decisions they made skipping powers widely considered essential. (Obviously if this is a new player, this isn't the case, I'm much more lenient with new players.)
While I respect the opinion, it always is hard for me to enforce.
1. At what level do I expect people to have these "team" oriented powers? To be honest TT: Manuevers doesnt help me level solo at 6 or 8 or 10 as much as another attack or movement power might. Defense is largely ineffectual until you get DOs at the very least, and if someone made the case for SOs I wouldnt argue
2. Whats the difference between a well-played aggressive anticipatory build with poor teaming choices and a poorly played team oriented build in terms of xp? Id rather have the former before the latter.
3. If we as a team are having success, how much is in spite this solo-oriented build and how much is because of?
4. How do I know the next guy will be better?
If I can answer those questions I may be okay with kicking someone who builds a certain way. Im pretty sure I cant answer those questions effectively.
At the end of the day if the guys an ****** Ill kick him, if he's not then he stays. -
Quote:Originally Posted by RedSwitchblade
I could cut through that sarcasm with a knife.
Youd have to be slotted for acc to do that. Sarcasm Knives got a stealth nerf two issues ago.... -
Quote:Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
There's not too many things in this game that breaks 4 points of KB protection, the Nemesis Staff and 2 or 3 members of the Freedom Phalanx.
Oh no Im not saying its abosolutely vital, Im just saying that if its one more slot to be absolutely immune to KB then why not take it. Ballista, Nemisis, Freedom Phalanx....why be on your back if you dont have to... -
Quote:Originally Posted by Exxar
Yup, I'm skipping Grounded on my endgame builds precisely because I can't spare a power pick for it. Never have much trouble with only one -KB IO too, a Zephyr in Super Jump's default slot.
So, room for one more power and no additional usage of slots. A pretty good deal if you ask me.
Not agreeing or disagreeing....theres a few odd attacks that do more than 4 pts of KB. On my DA/DM who tried to run with just one IO and it seemed like whenever Kb protection was important it was VERY important. If youre going to run with just a single IO for your knockback protection consider running with two....or the Gladiator set...or any number of other solutions.
Frog