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Quote:Originally Posted by MentalMaden
That........is a man foot.
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Quote:Uhm just for clarification.Originally Posted by AshleyHudson
I was subbed for quite some time, from the headstart on. I spent $45 just last month as a Premium player. I am literally $5 away from lifetime IO access.
But you're right, I contribute so much less than you.
1. You were subbed from the headstart on until when? Cuz if you were 4 reward tokens shy of unlocking lifetime IO access that means the longest you could have been subscribed is 57 months. That means you were unsubscribed for 3 years and 9 months or half the lifespan of the game. So either you were a sporadic player that subbed periodically for a few months at a time, or you quit playing several years ago and didn't come back until you heard you could play for free. In either case it doesn't make you more or less of a contributer than the person you quoted.
2. You must have spent more than $45 dollars on the game since Freedom launched because your math doesn't add up. $45 dollars only gets you three reward tokens.
We get 1 reward token for every 1200 points purchased.
Even with the 10% point bonus $45 dollars only gets you 3,960 points. That's 840 points short of what you'd need to unlock an additional reward token. -
Quote:I'd be happy with a regular modern prosthetic leg option (with a shoe rather than a bare foot).Originally Posted by CommunistPenguin
Also, to make this abundantly clear, NOT just a robotic skin over existing legs, but legs that look skinny like jumpbot or mekman legs, or something that is similar to the existing arm selections.
Or even a Steampunk Prosthetic Leg
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Quote:/ThisOriginally Posted by Stone Daemon
I don't see it as necessary, personally. Aside from a few "special" types, most of them are so common and replaced so fast that it doesn't really matter. If they did have such a prompt, it would probably lead to them putting in a "Do you really want to use this?" prompt, which would be a very bad idea, indeed.
The first thing most people will do when one of those annoying windows pops up is disable it so it doesn't bother them ever again. -
Quote:Darth, haven't you noticed that that is the standard fallback defense that always gets used in these types of threads?Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
There is nothing anti-social about telling a person that paying $2.00 vs $15.00 is a good deal. You must be talking about someone else or something other than what I said.
It's formulaic.
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Quote:Because you can't look up women's skirts from the floor below if it's a regular ceiling.Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
But why a Glass Ceiling and not just a Ceiling?
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Quote:How is standing still while making a few hand gestures at a target harder to animate than hopping around like a rabbit on crack?Originally Posted by NightErrant
Well, I think part of the issue is that Melee Sets are one of the easier sets to make.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Wow, hey, awesome. We were lied to. Again.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Point of order:
Not everyone who tries this game comes from "the MMO community", whatever that is.
Hell, I play this MMO, for a half decade in fact, and I don't identify myself as part of "the MMO community".
.Quote:Originally Posted by Minotaur
This is true, of all the MMOs I've played (which is not a huge list but probably high single figures), this is the one where I've come across most "one MMO only" or "first MMO" players.
If they have a pre-existing account they are part of the MMO community regardless of how they personally regard themselves, and even if this is the only MMO they've played, they know from personal experience how quickly MMO's change. Thus they know that things will be different when they return from an absence. -
Quote:If this was back when DDO first went to a hybrid business model I'd agree with you 110%. However this isn't the case. The MMO community as a whole, has had several years to get used to the idea that F2P in MMO's (DDO, LOTRO, CO, STO, AoC, DCUO, Warhammer, WOW, Lineage II, Dungeon Runners to name a few) doesn't automatically mean unlimited/unrestricted access when playing for free.Originally Posted by seebs
I think this is a framing issue.
When a game is "free to play!!!!" but then imposes restrictions, those feel like restrictions and limitations that contradict the premise that it is free to play; there are kinds of play that aren't free.
If you had a subscription-based game, with a "limited free trial!", that wouldn't feel the same to players.
So first, people are coming in, unaware of the fine print, the existence of IO licenses, or the fact that subscribing gives everything. They are told they can play for free, they try to, their character is broken. That's freaky.
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Quote:Because it doesn't appease their entitlement issues.Originally Posted by seebs
I... I don't get it.
See. Prior to this change, if you wanted to play your characters in any way whatsoever you had to pay $15/month.
Now, you can play them without paying, but they aren't full-powered unless you're paying.
How is this worse?
Just look how they consistently ignore/dismiss the free alternatives and insist the only resolutions cost money and imply that the pittance ($2 dollars a month) that it would cost if someone actually chose to spend money is too high. -
Quote:<.<Originally Posted by Ad Astra
Of course he did - isn't the first time....
So just to be clear - is the new "/Aggelakis" to be used for any suggestion that evokes maniacal laughter or can it be used for any suggestion that has been brought up over 9000! times (often the same thing)?
>.>
Yes.
<flys off laughing maniacally while shooting bananas out his nose 9,000 times.>
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Quote:Thanks Shadow. Just thought I'd ask that cuz it looked like a gray area people overlook because not many start slotting IO's that early (level 7).Originally Posted by ShadowNate
You -must- be level 10 to slot them but they are attuned to match your level, and the bonus's stick around to level 7 iirc... except the purple versions that act like purples.
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Quote:When your choices are to play the character as is with no IO access cuz you won't cough up at least $2 bucks for an IO license or use respecs to pull the unusable IO's off the build and reslot with DO's/SO's. Darn right.Originally Posted by BellaStrega
Because totally the best use of one's respecs is to clear out all of the IOs so you can slot SOs and play your characters on a premium account. Right...
If they don't have access to the consignment house via either license or previously earned Veteran Rewards that were converted to Paragon Rewards when Freedom launched they can't sell their IO's anyway.Quote:And also because letting your often costly IOs go up in smoke for a relative pittance in a respec is something people are likely to do.
Oops, you forgot about that.
Learn to do math. Free costs nothing.Quote:I would assume that people wouldn't typically suggest solutions that can cost up to 8550 points (19 packs of five unslotters each, ~100 dollars) to avoid paying a $2 or $15 monthly fee.
Every suggestion you've made aside from using the alternate build, requires more overhead and/or money than simply buying the invention license. In other words, you're not really helping.
Veteran Respecs cost nothing. They were earned on active accounts before Freedom launched. Returning players can have as many as 5 of them on each and every character. Veteran Respecs were discontinued when Freedom Launched and replaced by Paragon Reward Respecs
Trial Respecs and Patron Respecs cost nothing. They are earned ingame by running missions. Players can earn up to 3 Trial Respecs and 1 Patron respec.
Free Respecs by their very name are FREE and cost the player nothing.
Holiday Respecs cost nothing. They are earned by turning in Candy Canes to the Candy Keeper. You can get Candy Canes for free by participating in the Holiday Event. Heck you don't even have to fight anything. You can farm presents in lower level zones.
Only Respec Recipes might cost a player real money if his previously active account hasn't earned enough Vet Rewards to unlock access to the Consignment House.
Secondary Builds - Cost nothing to use, and returning players whose accounts have been inactive more than 3+ years like Moonlighter's friends, won't have anything slotted in their secondary builds because Secondary builds weren't added to the game until Dec 2008.
And that's the sacrifice one makes when one chooses to play for free. Suck it up like an adult and deal with it. There are consequences one has to live with when they make decisions.Quote:The OP's solutions are to go ahead and buy the license, upgrade back to VIP, use alternate builds for SOs if available, or not be able to play his characters. Respecing over and over again to recover IOs so he can use them later, buying 95 enhancement unslotters, etc. are just not practical solutions.
No, the only ones being disingenuous here are you and others that repeatedly ignore solutions that are free and insist that it would cost money to use them.Quote:Why I think it's disingenuous: Your suggestions are not helpful and I can't imagine that you don't know that, given the sarcastic manner in which you've delivered them.
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Quote:No we are talking about experienced players that know damn well that MMO's change frequently, especially when there is a switch to an F2P business model. Only a [pancake] with entitlement issues assumes he will get the same access for free as if he were still paying a subscription fee.Originally Posted by Moonlighter
We are not talking about new players though.
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Quote:So do you have to actually wait til you are level 10 for ATO's, or can you start slotting them at level 7 like every other level 10 enhancement in the game?Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Yup, basically whenever you get your hands on the ones you want to use and you're lvl 10+ you can slot em in and they'll be just as effective once you hit 50.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
There are no contractual reasons with any internal or external parties that prevents the Prestige Power Slide from being sold in the Paragon Market.
A quick background on the CoH Collector Edition Perks availability:
In 2005 or 2006, to make the CoH Collector perks accessible to early adopters (CoH was released in April 2004, but the Collector's box was released ~Nov 2004), we took the contents of the physical City of Heroes DVD Collector boxes and repackaged them into City of Heroes "Hero Gear" boxes that were sold through the NCsoft.com merchandise store.
Essentially, this allowed customers to get access to the game manual which had the *same* CoH CE DVD Serial Code that was in the CoH DVD boxes (but they just didn't get the fancy box or install discs).
When the online NCsoft.com merchandise store was closed, all extra inventory was sent to Paragon Studios. We've since handed them out for free or sold them at various Meet & Greets, HeroCons, and have given them away as Community/Forum prizes. I don't think we have many left (if at all).
City of Heroes Freedom:
When we decided to change our business model, it was decided that the Collector Edition bonuses from the CoH and CoV boxes were not to be distributed through the Paragon Rewards Program nor be available for purchase through the Paragon Market. Pre-Order bonuses from retailers (online and physical) were okay to distribute through Paragon Rewards, but the CE bonuses were hands-off.
Many people will disagree with this position, but at its heart, the decision was primarily driven by maintaining the exclusivity of those Collector / Limited Editions for the customers that took the time and effort to purchase them at the time of their release. We're not doing this because we have a pallet of the boxes that we're trying to sell for $mint$ through secondary markets.
Is this position final?
Absolutely not. We've always listened to players and have used that feedback to influence or re-examine our position on many things.
Is the position on this particular item going to change soon?
It's unlikely that it will change soon, but I do want to point out that I'm watching this thread and have watched previous threads where the unavailability of Collector Edition perks have been brought up.
(Note: ...other red names read the forums, too!)
You've said that you read previous threads..., what are the blocking points?
It depends upon who you ask, but there are two main ones.
1) the primary reason cited above (i.e. maintaining exclusivity for those that purchased the Collector's Editions), and
2) if we sell a component of the Collector Edition Perks (clothing or Power)...would we sell the VIP/Destined One badge, too?
...and just to re-iterate, there are more reasons, but the two above are generally the blocking points.
I'm going to refrain from commenting further about this, and look forward to see how this thread discussion evolves.
Thanks for the response Ghost Falcon. -
Quote:/AggelakisOriginally Posted by Aggelakis
*totally whacked out, off-balanced, maniacal laughter, possibly due to the sheer number of times she has done these missions....*
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Quote:Originally Posted by Moonlighter
Returning players have no way of knowing about this trial. Most wouldn't even know about the second build. You know what a returning player probably doesn't want to do? Research the game and its options after 4 years and doing 30 minutes or an hour of busy work before they go and bash heads.
Yeah cuz there's absolutely no chance there will be any changes to an MMO after 4 years. Just log on while blindly assuming everythings going to be exactly the same.
DERP!!!
Quote:In my experience of trying to get my friends back to the game the most likely scenario is this.
They ***** about whatever game they are playing and I mention I still love City of Heroes. We talk about MMOs and I reiterate the game's strengths; the best endgame of any MMO I play, sidekicking and exemp, the best customization of any game, and much improved content.
At this point almost every single one logs in some night while I'm not around out of curiousity. The game has that one shot to give them a good experience. If they are turned off, that's it I lose them. If they log onto their main and can't try the game out because their whole slotted character is functionally unslotted they will log off and go play their normal games. I've seen this multiple times.
So YOU talk your friends into returning to try out the new free accounts but YOU fail to tell them about the restrictions on free accounts. Funny how YOU try to blame the game for something YOU failed to do.
Are you serious? You honestly think people aren't familiar with the idea of having to pay before being able to play a video game.Quote:These are people who have no problem spending money, but if they are forced to go through the process of spending money immediately to play they won't, not because they have an issue spending money but because it's easier to log off and play another game they are familiar with rather than go through the hassle.
People that are frightened off by changes to MMO's while they've been away shouldn't be playing big scary ever changing MMO's in the first place.Quote:When a returning player is in the "dip my toes in the water" phase of returning, it is my experience that hassles make them abandon the process not because they don't want to spend the money, but more because they don't want to be confronted with research to try out recent game developments. Forcing a player to swap builds and make decisions on powers and slotting after 4 years away makes them log out.
This is only my anecdotal evidence of what I have seen from getting friends to come back to the game so take it with a grain of salt. -
Quote:Funny how you keep forgetting that an IO license only costs $2 bucks.Originally Posted by Minotaur
Cause they really want to respec 10 times to get the IOs out of the build 10 at a time, and if they wanted to spend money on unslotters, they'd probably subscribe.
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Quote:And as a previous player that has played long enough to completely IO out his characters means he was a subscriber long enough to earn enough Paragon Rewards to permanently unlock access to the Auction House (only 6 reward tokens) and he can sell off some of those IO's ha can't use to finance SO's on his secondary builds.Originally Posted by SerialBeggar
And in regards to the comments about him possibly not being able to afford to buy SOs for his second build, ha! If he could afford to his admitted expensive Sets IO build, he could easily afford SOs.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I don't understand that. If it's trademark/IP from within the company, then the company owns it and can do with it as it pleases. Why is that an issue?
I don't know the legal details but maybe it's possible it has something to do with the physical extras that came with the CE and the Hero kits.
Is it possible that Cryptic (Cryptic still owned the game back then) stupidly agreed not to sell the digital perks without the physical perks and NCSoft is bound by that agreement? -
Quote:I don't know the legal details but maybe it's possible it has something to do with the physical extras that came with the CE and the Hero kits.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I don't understand that. If it's trademark/IP from within the company, then the company owns it and can do with it as it pleases. Why is that an issue?
Is it possible that Cryptic (Cryptic still owned the game back then) stupidly agreed not to sell the digital perks without the physical perks and NCSoft is bound by that agreement? -
Quote:It depends on where they can find them on sale.Originally Posted by terrible_deli
People actually spend $100 for the CE?
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Quote:Yeah, it's too bad that the game doesn't offer players more than one type of respec that doesn't cost real money, or pay inf for any enhancements that aren't unslotted.Originally Posted by BellaStrega
This is disingenuous, since enhancement unslotters are not free and unless you've upgraded your inventory, you get 10 enhancements recovered per respec.
Trial Respecs - earned, up to 3 possible (up to 30 enhancements if no extra trays are bought)
Veteran Respecs - earned, up to 5 possible (at 69 months) (up to 50 enhancements if no extra trays are bought)
Patron Respecs - earned, 1 possible (Villain only) (another 10 enhancements if no extra trays are bought)
Free Respec - free (A character can only have 1 at a time and they do not stack) (another 10 enhancements if no extra trays are bought)
Respec Recipes - free (These cannot be crafted if the character already has a free respec available) (another 10 enhancements if no extra trays are bought)
Holiday Respec - free (These cannot be purchased at the Candy Keeper if the character already has a free respec available) (another 10 enhancements if no extra trays are bought)
And what makes you think I'm not being candid or sincere about what I'm saying.