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So out of curiosity is anyone asking Zwill about the lack of freespecs?
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Quote:I'm sure you're memory is correct about the first two issues, but I'm certain I recall reading a couple threads between then and now where people were upset that the devs didn't give out a freespec with at least one other later issue.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
The only issues I'm aware of that didn't get a free respec were 1 and 2. In 1 they hadn't created them yet, and 2 was when they added respecs to the game. -
Quote:Down dooby doo down down.Originally Posted by Kyle_Al_Mordu
Triumph is down too...
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Quote:Damn that Bob Barker having our poor servers fixed, spayed and neutered.Originally Posted by Alien51
The servers that were restarted are the fixed ones. All the others are map unknown.
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This is all Rangle's fault.
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Grab the torches and pitchforks. It's time to form an angry mob.
Rabble Rabble Rabble!
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Quote:Originally Posted by WanderingAries
While I'm not always certain of much, this I do remembe being 100% accurate. That's why they've always had the "are you Absolutely sure...because you can't undo this action" kind of text when using them.
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Quote:He's right. The Reward Merit Vendor does say now that you have to be a VIP to buy ATO's. However that doesn't change the fact that players can still use merits to buy useful items from the vender and use them, or sell them to other players without ever buying access to Wentworth's/Black Market.Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Nothing was changed recently, but you neglected the possibility that your assumptions are incomplete and/or wrong.
We've been selling stuff to each other for 8 years. Players (Prems included) regularly use the trade feature to sell items for prices over the 2 billion sales price cap on the Consignment House. -
Quote:I was in my base on my main account and toggling between that and the forums. Use my second account to check the server status. Didn't get booted until I tried to leave the base. Got the map can't be found.Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Don't go by freedom being grey. Trying to select the others leads to a lockup and time out - for me, at least.
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Quote:Yep I'm out now too. Tried rebooting no luck. Oh well I can pass the time blasting Klingons on my other account.Originally Posted by UberGuy
Justice blew up about 9:15 eastern. Took a look at the server status RSS feed and everything else was down or unknown.
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I'm on justice right now and everything is fine. A quick look at the server list shows only Freedom greyed out.
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Quote:People do that with all types of accounts. There's always been a market for pre-existing accounts that have tricked out characters on them.Originally Posted by Jade Ivy
Another bad sign is life players selling their accounts. A new player can buy the lifetime account , the old player gets money back, and the game gets no money from the new player. Just do a google search for WTS (game) lifetime account.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Lothic
I'm not against adding reasonable safeguards to this, but you have to consider the ramifications of how hard it would be for the Devs to keep track of all this membership information over time.
I think the system should be able to easily generate an automated email to all current members of a SG the moment the Super Leader activates a SG rename token. This email would have all that info you mentioned (character name, global name, time of SG rename and the old and new SG names) so that everyone knows exactly who's involved and what happened when.
But I'm not so sure you really need a "pre name-change" wait period involved with this. What would you really be able to do, as a non Super Leader, if you had to wait like a week or month -before- your SG's name was getting changed? No, basically when I talked about a month cooldown period this would be -after- a name change so that a particular SG's name can't be changed any more frequently than once a month regardless of who has the Super Leader rank. This would stop someone from switching the name every five minutes to exploit the system.
Again there's nothing that's going to stop a truly devoted person from doing bad things regardless if we have SG rename tokens or not. All the system should do is prevent people from being able to get away with it anonymously - your email idea would help with that. In addition to the month cooldown I would also make SG rename tokens be arbitrarily expensive - say like $20 worth. This would also reduce the chance that people would bother to use them for whimsically negative reasons.
The timer with countdown I suggested is intended to give SG members a heads up that a name change will be occurring. Players aren't always on at the same time so they could be in a situation where they don't know what's going on and suddenly find themselves in what appears to be a different SG. Also if shenanigans are intended it may help discourage all but the most determined asshattery.
Anyway if there are any flaws in the ideas feel free to tear them apart. That's why we're here.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Lothic
Here's the thing: I realize there's always going to be a certain level of "asshattery" on the Internet and no matter what precautions the Devs do to prevent that kind of thing from happening here there's always going to be a certain amount that leaks through. As Forbin_Project pointed out there are already people doing nasty things to SGs even -without- the ability to change SG names. Yes I agree that if we had a SG name change token that it would give the people who are going to do bad things one more tool to cause further trouble.
But I'm not exactly sure you could say that the addition of a SG name change token would necessarily make things any worse than they already are. A system is already in place to maintain "law and order" as it were. As long as people responsibly maintain control of the Super Leader rank then bad things are going to be kept to a minimum regardless.
It's not the Devs' fault if the wrong person gets a hold of the Super Leader rank. Players ultimately have the responsibility of taking care of who controls a SG whether we have the ability to change SG names or not. Several years ago the Devs changed the game to introduce the Super Leader rank to the game. This set the stage among other things to make SG renames realistically practical. I'm just hoping they'll eventually follow through with it.
As a recap I have mentioned before that I'm in favor of a SG rename token that has a one month cooldown period. The vast majority of "legitimate" players will likely only want to change a SG name once so this cooldown will not adversely affect them. But it will effectively mitigate anyone who would like to quickly change names more than once for naughty purposes. The cooldown coupled with the Super Leader rank should be enough of a safeguard for this.
I've been thinking about the cooldown and was wondering if it could be possible that when the token is used it does two additional things.
1. Generates a daily countdown warning for all SG members that the name will be changing in "x" days.
2. Send an email to everyone that was on the SG Roster 30 days before the token was activated letting them know what the new SG name is going to be and the character name and Global name of the person who used the token, then when the name change takes effect another email gets sent out announcing the name change and the Super Leaders character name and global name.
That way everyone will know what's going on and in the event of asshattery booting everyone and then changing the name they will still be notified who is responsible. -
Quote:True, and to be honest when I didn't see that reminder get made I (correctly as it turns out) assumed they weren't giving out a freespec this issue and I didn't waste the ones I hadn't used yet.Originally Posted by UberGuy
Yes. In fact, this was such a common and well-known player behavior that Community Reps have, in the past, set a convention of reminding people to do this. In fact, we once received an apology when one forgot to provide this reminder.
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Quote:I think they also changed the name to avoid confusion. IO's can be traded or sold between players, and far too many people would assume without reading the description that they could buy market "IO's" and sell them at the CH.Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Y'know - and I don't mean this to pick at you, don't take it that way - but this is really splitting hairs.
Kind of reminds me of Jack's "We're making no more major, sweeping changes to powers." Just before they hit us with ED, which made major, sweeping changes to ... how powers could be enhanced.
Technically correct, but not exactly *honest.*
(Again, not pointing that at you, Roderick - especially with mention of it being mentioned by the devs.)
The most honest thing for them to say is that "IO sets you've purchased with real money (via points) are called 'Attuned' and this special type will be usable even without an IO license."
The name change, market descriptions, and dev statements about them being "Attuned" allows them to demonstrate to the willfully ignorant that they warned people about the critical difference between the two types of enhancements before they purchased them. Now it's a matter of caveat emptor. -
No offense Hope but I think it's premature to assume this is indicative of a policy change. Respecs were being sold for real money for a couple of years before Freedom launched and they were giving us freespecs the whole time.
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Quote:I was thinking your request over while editing my base and had decided to tell you I was going to change the sig but I read Storm's post and got stubborn about it.Originally Posted by Pepper II
I don't see how hard "Please remove my quote from your signature" is to understand.
Do notice that it's different from "remove my name."
I can't help but think that Stormbird is right. I'm not sure why you seem to take pride in giving the forum community a bad name.
I shouldn't have let his meddling influence my first decision. Editing the sig for you now. -
Quote:I'm unaware of any Incarnate content that can be done below level 50 by anyone.Originally Posted by Stormbird
I notice you didn't highlight his "When someone hits 50" in your drive to prove him wrong.
I never said the OP tried to edit the original post. I said before posting it in this thread the OP stealth edited it to make it look different.Quote:Plus, looking at the original thread, there's no "stealth edit." In case you haven't noticed, the forums will say "Last edit." (See below.) So, you're a liar as well.
Making threats is also something the mods should get involved with.Quote:Oh, and you don't do what he asks to remove his quote from your sig. I think it's time for the mods to get involved, since you're just trolling him at this point. -
Quote:The stealth edit you did on your original post before reposting the remains here is amusing.Originally Posted by Pepper II
Thus proving either (1) you DIDN'T actually read the suggestion, (2) you were confused and felt asking questions was beneath you, or (3) you're a liar and trying to reword things.
The suggestion was that, up to twice a month, on hitting 50 they'd get to try out incarnate stuff. NOT that it would open up 1-2 times a month for them for their 50s.
Little different than what you said. I do NOT appreciate being misrepresented.
And I'm going to request, again, that you remove my quote from your sig. Perhaps you'll see it here.
Here's the original post.
Quote:Originally Posted by Pepper II
So, you want to get freebies to subscribe and premiums to resubscribe for a while? Show them what they're missing.
Step 1: Unlock Mender Ramiel. Let everyone run it.
You don't really get a reward, other than a shard and the unlock. But it lets people get a toe into the incarnate system who otherwise don't have one.
Step 2: Give a taste.
When a character hits 50 (limit of 1 per month, or 1 every 2 weeks or whatever, if there has to be a throttle to discourage PLing) let them be "full" VIPs - no free points/tokens/etc, but let them try out the trials, the SSAs, an extra slot with locked powersets (with full warning that "This is just a test run, these will be re-locked unless you subscribe/buy them!") for, say, 72 hours realtime.
Some people won't care. Others will want to get going, or re-unlock those slots or powersets, which can only bring in money.
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Quote:And it has always been this way, since the day they first started selling character slots back in 2008. I think it was Issue 12.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
No. Slots that are allocated to a server are committed permanently to that server.
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Quote:In another thread the poster suggested the devs give free/prem players access to Incarnate content for 72 hours once or twice a month that didn't get the rousing support that was apparently desired.Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
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What?
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Quote:Not a problem. I'm in the same boat as you, having inherited a couple of SG's a couple of years ago that I would love to change the names.Originally Posted by Derdriu
Ahh. I can understand not wanting to be involved in the drama. Guess the drama is why we can't have nice things. lol Thanks for the answer.
As to the drama yeah it can get ugly. I recall a big brujah a couple of years ago when the leader of a really big and active SG decided to cancel his subscription. Instead of handing over the leadership of the SG to another member he simply logged on, kicked everyone from the SG and then quit the SG himself so everything the SG had earned and stored was deleted. Boy were people pissed off.
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Quote:Apparently the answer is, "Yes." because we've been asking for it for nearly 7 years. And tho I doubt you'll find anyone that wouldn't love this feature, the devs have no interest in making anything easier for Solo SG's and have said so.Originally Posted by Derdriu
Would a Supergroup Name Change Token be too much of a stretch?
Aside from that, super group name changing tokens can easily be abused by anyone that manages to get promoted to Super Leader rank. We've seen SG's and bases stolen by both new members and veteran SG members with years of membership in an SG.
All a dishonest person has to do if he gets the SL rank is kick all the SG members, Get an alt invited to the SG using a second account, transfer leadership to the alt, change the SG name, and pretend his main character was kicked along with everyone else.
He gets a new solo SG, and the former SG members are screwed. CS/GM's will not get involved because the Super Leader owns the SG and can do whatever he likes with it. That was the whole point of creating that rank in the first place. So CS/GM's could stay uninvolved with internal SG drama.
Even if the name change token had a timer before it went into effect, all that would happen is the thief simply waits for the timer to expire, and the name changes before logging onto the character that now controls the SG. -
Quote:Riiiight, that's why the devs have half a dozen different ways for players to get respecs other than buying them from the market with real money. Not to mention multiple builds.Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
That's one possible interpretation of their actions. The other is that they choose not to give the free respec because they'd rather "encourage" purchasing respecs for real money.
Edit: Oh and when they have given out freespecs due to major changes to power sets, they gave them to every character on our accounts regardless of whether or not they were affected by the change, yeah that screams that they are just after money.