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I've never heard of an Only One Animated Piece rule. Would it be possible to get a link to it?

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That's a fair request. However, I recall it being from around the time Trenchcoats and wings were introduced, which means that it could very easily have been purged by now. I will look for it (later, not right now - I want to play, damnit, not forum delve ), but I cannot make promises on finding it.

I recall that the core of it was, however, that they didn't want one character taking up too much processing power to animate, and restricting characters to only one of "Cape, wings, or trenchcoat" was a way to do that.

However, the thrust remains the same. If we're making an exception for the Bolero, then frankly, they need to make an exception for Crab backpacks, trenchcoats, wedding tuxes, et cetera. Otherwise...

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If it's that old don't bother. I was hoping it was a more recent post I had missed. I don't want take you away from your game time.

Also the core you mentioned does make sense, but if you don't mind I'll keep my fingers crossed that they'll change their minds on this.

Tho on a side note I think that Wings would interfere with the Crab Backpack.

Of course you might be saying allow the backpack with other coat type items. Stupid me for not thinking of that first.

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I could've sworn I'd seen the OP on the Maury Povich show at one point or another.

Honestly, a 'hot-head'? I'd like to see anyone who enjoys being a hot-head keep down a job for more than a few weeks.

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Maybe one of those offensive radio DeeJays, or a loudmouth am radio political idiots?

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Ok. You would like to see vehicles added to the game, I give you a challenge.

Come up with a VALID reason as to WHY vehicles should be added by following these rules:

(1) Refrain from using OTHER MMOs as a source of reference.

(2) The reason(s) MUST be in paragraph form. None of the following will be allowed:
(a) Because it would be cool.
(b) Because we need it.
(c) Because I'm bored.
(Invalid reasons)

(3) Spell check and sentence structure is important. (Remember you're trying to convince the majority of players WHY vehicles are needed. Please, sound out the word(s) before you type them.)

(4) Your statements MUST be based on FACT and NOT the rantings of a 5 year old that just wants and wants and wants.

(5) Your reason(s) must FIX the issues rather than create new ones

So, there you have it. Lets see what you've got.


Edit: Fixed third bullet so the cut and paste addresses vehicles instead of level cap. Thanks to Ad_Astra for catching that error.

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LOL wow that looks SO familiar. LMAO
Well played Forbin_Project
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Well, it's a cut and paste A_P came up with for a different subject.

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"I" came up with it on a lvl cap thread: Raise the Cap from level 50 to level 80 or Higher.

Not trying to start anything, just making a minor correction.

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Well Kudo's to you then Scott. The first time I saw it was when A_P used it a few weeks ago. I fell in love with it the first time I saw it and raced to copy it to my notepad for future use. I'm correcting the title I saved it to so in the future I can give credit where it's due.

Sadly I don't think there's a clear cut compromise. If these extra maintenances occured more frequently, they might consider changing it, but these happen so infrequently that I can't see them considering a change.

Sorry.

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Ok. You would like to see vehicles added to the game, I give you a challenge.

Come up with a VALID reason as to WHY vehicles should be added by following these rules:

(1) Refrain from using OTHER MMOs as a source of reference.

(2) The reason(s) MUST be in paragraph form. None of the following will be allowed:
(a) Because it would be cool.
(b) Because we need it.
(c) Because I'm bored.
(Invalid reasons)

(3)Spell check and sentence structure is important. (Remember you're trying to convince the majority of players WHY this lvl cap is needed. Please, sound out the word(s) before you type them.)

(4) Your statements MUST be based on FACT and NOT the rantings of a 5 year old that just wants and wants and wants.

(5) Your reason(s) must FIX the issues rather than create new ones

So, there you have it. Lets see what you've got.

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you forgot

(6) The implementation should, feasibly, fulfill the quality requirements that the devs insist upon having. No half-[censored] implementations.

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Well, first it's a cut and paste A_P came up with for a different subject. I just tweaked the wording to fit this subject. and second, I think it's challenging enough as it is. No need for the added difficulty.

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You missed an edit in the third bullet point, Forbin. It still refers to "lvl cap" instead of vehicles.

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Thanks Ad. I totally missed that one. It has now been edited for accuracy.

Virtue can be fun especially if you like roleplaying characters. You'll have an easier time because that's the unofficial RP server.

There are great people on Protector, Pinnacle, and Triumph. I don't want to slight the other servers but I haven't played on them as much as those 4.

Also let me say sorry we had a little verbal sparring there. It was just that some of the things you said in your second post were almost verbatim to a few defensive responses that were posted during the last 2xp weekend that I jumped to what now I see was an erroneous conclusion. Your third and fourth posts convinced me I'd made a mistake.

I am glad we were able to get past the misunderstanding and explain our points of view in greater detail.

I've never heard of an Only One Animated Piece rule. Would it be possible to get a link to it?

While Capes do interfere with the Bolero, Wings aren't capes, and their movement is up and away from where the Bolero hangs.

Also by simply cutting off the Cape part, the Top of the Bolero would make a spiffy Jacket option, and the High Collar would go nicely as an addition to the chest options.

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As per the EULA

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10. Interruption of Service



(a) NC Interactive reserves the right to interrupt the Service from time to time on a regularly scheduled basis or otherwise with or without prior notice in order to perform maintenance. You agree that NC Interactive will not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.



(b) You acknowledge that the Service may be interrupted for reasons beyond the control of NC Interactive, and NC Interactive cannot guarantee that you will be able to access the Service or your Account whenever you may wish to do so. NC Interactive shall not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.



(c) NC Interactive has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Service as it sees fit in its sole discretion.



(d) NC Interactive shall not be obligated to refund all or any portion of any Account fee or Additional Feature fee by reason of any interruption of the Service by reason of any of the circumstances described in paragraph (a) or (b).

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Everyone that plays this game agrees to this condition each and every time they log on to play.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but, deal with it or don't play.

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I do deal with it.

I'll repeat what I said before. I'm cool with having maintenance twice a week during my prime playing time. Thats business as usual, I'm in a minority time zone, and living in Australia does have its upside too
However, when we get extra midweek maintenances, it starts to stretch my patience a little, and I'd prefer it if this could happen in someone else's timeslot.

I'm not really expecting anything to change because of my posts here, to be honest. But there's nothing wrong with discussing reasonable alternatives here is there?

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There's nothing wrong with reasonable discussion. But the company is performing it's maintenance in the most reasonable fashion possible.

They perform these maintenance periods when the fewest number of players are online. Changing that schedule would mean more players are inconvenienced.

The US servers schedule things on their timezones. The EU servers schedule theirs on their time zones. If you want things scheduled so they favor your timezones maybe they should consider reopening the Korean servers, or open them in Australia. Of course that would mean giving up the US servers.

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As per the EULA

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10. Interruption of Service



(a) NC Interactive reserves the right to interrupt the Service from time to time on a regularly scheduled basis or otherwise with or without prior notice in order to perform maintenance. You agree that NC Interactive will not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.



(b) You acknowledge that the Service may be interrupted for reasons beyond the control of NC Interactive, and NC Interactive cannot guarantee that you will be able to access the Service or your Account whenever you may wish to do so. NC Interactive shall not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.



(c) NC Interactive has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Service as it sees fit in its sole discretion.



(d) NC Interactive shall not be obligated to refund all or any portion of any Account fee or Additional Feature fee by reason of any interruption of the Service by reason of any of the circumstances described in paragraph (a) or (b).

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Everyone that plays this game agrees to this condition each and every time they log on to play.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but, deal with it or don't play.

There's a difference between a dead topic that hasn't been brought up in months or years, and a topic that gets mentioned on almost a weekly basis.

Also if you read the forum rules and guidelines:

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Cross posting is not permitted. As a courtesy to others before beginning a new thread, please look to see if an active thread on that topic has already been established using the Search feature. If so, place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forum needlessly and many good ideas may be lost. Use the Search link to keep discussions about one topic to one thread only.

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They clearly tell us to search first, and why. They aren't going to bother reading a bunch of clutter.

My advise, before posting do a search over the past three months, if you don't get anything then it's probably safe to make a new thread on the topic.

You still may catch some flak because people tend to conceal their suggestions under strange titles that didn't come up in your search, but at least you tried.

Sure they could. There are already costume pieces you can't select if you choose certain costume pieces.

Look at Trench Coats and Jackets. If you use them you can't choose certain chest details.

So they could easily allow Wings with Bolero.

I'm with Blackavaar, I'm very disappointed at this development. I too had plans to use Wings with Bolero. They looked awesome together.

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Ok. You would like to see vehicles added to the game, I give you a challenge.

Come up with a VALID reason as to WHY vehicles should be added by following these rules:

(1) Refrain from using OTHER MMOs as a source of reference.

(2) The reason(s) MUST be in paragraph form. None of the following will be allowed:
(a) Because it would be cool.
(b) Because we need it.
(c) Because I'm bored.
(Invalid reasons)

(3)Spell check and sentence structure is important. (Remember you're trying to convince the majority of players WHY this lvl cap is needed. Please, sound out the word(s) before you type them.)

(4) Your statements MUST be based on FACT and NOT the rantings of a 5 year old that just wants and wants and wants.

(5) Your reason(s) must FIX the issues rather than create new ones

So, there you have it. Lets see what you've got.

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you forgot

(6) The implementation should, feasibly, fulfill the quality requirements that the devs insist upon having. No half-[censored] implementations.

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Well, first it's a cut and paste A_P came up with for a different subject. I just tweaked the wording to fit this subject. and second, I think it's challenging enough as it is. No need for the added difficulty.

Ok. You would like to see vehicles added to the game, I give you a challenge.

Come up with a VALID reason as to WHY vehicles should be added by following these rules:

(1) Refrain from using OTHER MMOs as a source of reference.

(2) The reason(s) MUST be in paragraph form. None of the following will be allowed:
(a) Because it would be cool.
(b) Because we need it.
(c) Because I'm bored.
(Invalid reasons)

(3) Spell check and sentence structure is important. (Remember you're trying to convince the majority of players WHY vehicles are needed. Please, sound out the word(s) before you type them.)

(4) Your statements MUST be based on FACT and NOT the rantings of a 5 year old that just wants and wants and wants.

(5) Your reason(s) must FIX the issues rather than create new ones

So, there you have it. Lets see what you've got.


Edit: Fixed third bullet so the cut and paste addresses vehicles instead of level cap. Thanks to Ad_Astra for catching that error.

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Well just know this I'm a hot head I've always been told that I'll live up to that.

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Hot heads tend to get banned here. Because we LIKE it when people are polite, restrained and well-informed.

Use the search feature, I know Bill just posted a way for you to learn how. This forum's search is pretty wonky, so take his post to heart.

He also posted a well-informed and long-standing *reason* why your idea will not be implemented and why it would not work.

Again, I highly recomend you *read those things* and try to put yourself in the position of a developer.

Do they have the engine that can do anything like what you want? Can you cite examples already in the game, of those things? Is there some reason beyond 'it looks cool' that you would want to put these powers into the game?

Yes, that looks like a pop quiz. You should be used to those, I'm sure, in school. Perhaps you should think about those questions before responding. You so far are the only person in either of your threads who is using poor language and getting angry and kneejerking at anyone. So calm yourself down - this isn't the WoW boards. We respond to both ideas AND literacy.

And when the literacy level is in the gutter, the idea is not very far behind.

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Wow, man. If this is how you are going to take reasoned criticism you may not want to visit these boards. Bill and I simply told you the many reasons that vehicles are not being considered. The devs have said the same thing when they responded to these questions in the past. I'm sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it is.

You can't just blurt out something you think of (which has been suggested many times before and can be found easily by using the Search feature) and expect everyone to jump on your bandwagon like you're awesome. You are going to received negative responces. You are going to be told what other players have been told about the same subject. Calling names and being a **** will not change that. In fact, it will just make it worse.

And in this forum, we do not take kindly to the mutilation of the English language. This is not an IM board. This is not twitter or your cell phone. This is a forum. If you want people to understand what you are saying it is generally a good idea to use proper grammar.

Good luck to you if you can't deal with that.



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Vehicles as travel powers. This gets brought up a lot.

First, a tip on searching.
1. Click on "Search" up at the top of the forum.
2. On the left, under "Forum(s) to search," select "Suggestions and ideas."
3. On the right, Keyword Search Terms. This is probably where your problem was if you did search. Try the following, exactly as typed:

+vehicle -"re: "

This will search for anything with the string "vehicle" in the title.The -re: portion of it removes replies, so you'll see the root of every thread that comes up, letting you see just how many threads there are on this. (The last helps for other subjects, as well.)

Be sure to put the space between the colon and last quote.

4. Click the "In subject" radio button. This is a search, not a cute blonde in a bikini. Here, you want to ignore the body.

5. Leave Username Search blank.

6. Date range, Newer Than, change the 1 to a 3, and the time to Months.

7. Result format doesn't matter. Click on "Submit."

Now, on to the topic at hand....

Short answer, don't expect it.

Long answer:
There are a lot of problems with the idea.

1. Movement.
Forward and back,even turning - ok. But you can do things that a vehicle can't - such as strafe (direct side to side or angular movement.) It doesn't work with a vehicle.

2. Terrain.
Not every place has roads, or even makes sense for "off roading." Go look at Founder's Falls. Go look at Crey's Folley. Or Eden. Try to get to the north islands in Talos. What, do you have a kubelwagen? Look at the Pit in Sharkshead. Try to use your travel power (car) to get up to some of the doorways in high caves. Cars and motorcycles would be more like Superspeed - horizontal movement, period. And look - I'll be blunt - flat out *stupid* tied with, say, Combat Jumping or Superjump.

3. Combat.
You get ambushed on the way. How do you fight? Just have your powers blast out of the rolled up windows? How do you buff or debuff? EVERY power would need a new animation. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Then you want people with motorcycles instead of cars. Redo ALL the animations AGAIN. And they still wouldn't make sense - how do you use Footstomp in a car? Or Stalagmites?

4. Customizing.
Yeah, it would come up. Not everyone would want a sports car, or a mid-70s Buick boat, or an exotic, or a minivan, or whatever else.

5. Making "sense."
This was touched on in terrain - how do you get across water? How about the Shadow Shard? And if you want downright ridiculous looking, go do the heroside 25-34 Respec. Look at the Sky Skiffs inside of rooms or the reactor room. It makes no sense and looks *ridiculous.* Something that, yes, the devs try to avoid.

That's just a quick overview of some of the issues with having vehicles as a travel power.

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While I realize there was a bug with the Back Details availability while wearing a Magic Bolero and that the Capes should be disallowed to avoid load spikes and massive clipping issues. I would like to humbly request that Wings (which have no such clipping issues) remain available. I've made two costume with these that came out really awesome and I'd hate to have to refrain from using the Tailor with them for the rest of their careers.

Living-Dead Girl

Wicked Little Thing

I also had ideas for an angelic character which I may never be able to fully explore.

Since this costume part is very similar to Trench Coats, I would also like to request that Wing availability be allowed for them as well.

Join me in my request if you agree.



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After re-reading my post, I realize I come out a bit harsh. Believe me, the last thing I want is to get on anyone's wrong side or to be categorized as a troll.

I'm opened to ideas and suggestions and yes, I'm quite aware that my original idea might be complete crap, that's why I submitted it to discussion.

And again, the only reason why my characters aren't all over the place is because I couldn't play with my RL friends. If I was alone, I would have no problem with that. I don't care for Freedom or any server in particular for that matter. I care about playing with nice people. The rest is optional.

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It's not that your original idea is crap, it's that the system was set up to make people think if doing a server transfer is what they really want to do.The price is just high enough to make people think twice, yet compared to what other games charge our transfers are among the cheapest.

There are technical issues as well. If they made it to cheap then everyone would be bouncing around servers and that could cause the system to crash. Sure you only want to use it once but the company has to consider what would happen on say a 2xp weekend when thousands of players try switching servers at the same time. Imagine if the system went down and all those characters disappeared, got corrupted, gone forever.

Then consider this. Say they allowed bulk transfers and a bunch of people moved their stuff to another server for a special event. Sure they don't mind if they have to change a few names for the weekend, they can always change them back when they return to their home server. But after the event they find out that the names they had there for years were grabbed up by people that made new characters during the event.

Now as to the having all your eggs in one basket, maybe Part Troll was harsh by calling it silly, I don't know. It's just that we've seen the same opinion get voiced by other people and they overreacted and got upset at the idea that they might want to consider having something to play on another server in case a server goes down or gets locked out.

Many of us play with the same group of friends like you do. It's just that we also keep spare characeters ready on multiple servers in case of an emergency. If a server crashes we all go to one of the alternate servers and play there. In many cases we are playing the same characters. We just made more than one copy. If you asked around I think you'd be surprised at how many people have used the same name on more than one server. There are even duplicate SG's or multi-server SG's if you like the name better.

I realize it can sound like you're getting bashed about preferring to keep your characters on a single server, It isn't really meant to be that way. We are just trying to prevent the frustration you could go thru if you end up missing a special event or just some good gaming because your preferred server crashed and you can't get on.

As an example look at how often Freedom has been locked out since I14 went live. A lot of people that only play on Freedom have been upset about that.

If you do decide that you still want to keep all your characters on a single server, I wish you the best of luck with that and hope whatever server you end up on has fewer problems than Freedom has had in the past.

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Yeah kind of figured that. I thought a bit of subtlety would make him think about it and realise he is the one that is causing his problemn.

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*snort*

Good luck with that.

Those conversations always end up with them blaming the game and calling anyone that offers them reasonable solutions to the problems they themselves caused a troll.

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To answer above comments in no particular order:

I don't want to restart my characters. I have been on CoH since I1 and I have YET to level one to 50, this tells you much about my gaming efficiency. Restarting it all would effectively kill my gaming drive.

I do not wish to try new combos. I have tried most combinations, blue side, and what I have is what I want.

As for putting all my eggs in one basket, I think calling it foolishness is a bit rude. My goals and priorities are not necessarily yours. My friends and I love to jump alts, SK and exemp and not get bored by constantly playing the same characters. If we wanted to do that, we'd play WoW. If I spread out my characters all over the place, I won't be able to do that anymore.

Lets see what other people might want to add.

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Still not really understanding why you and your friends won't be able to play with eachother on a different server.

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He's one of those, One server. One God. All else is sin types. They always crop up when they can't log onto Freedom.

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My friends and I love to jump alts, SK and exemp and not get bored by constantly playing the same characters. If we wanted to do that, we'd play WoW. If I spread out my characters all over the place, I won't be able to do that anymore.

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So tell us, How's that jumpin alts thing you like to do been workin for you and your friends while Freedoms been down and greyed out?

Having alts on different servers means if you can't get onto your first choice of server you can still enjoy the game on one of the other servers you and your friends chose to create characters on.

In any case whatever you decide to do, NCSoft isn't going to change the price of server transfers. The fact that you are discouraged from making a lot of transfers because of the price means the feature is working as intended.

Pony up the bucks or make new characters.

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You know what I want to transfer? My real self into Paragon City. I would need to have powers though. I dont want to be one of those citizens cowering in the middle of a gang of Skuls.

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Are you kidding? Citizens are invulnerable! I'd love to be a citizen in Paragon. They never get hurt.

Sure they cower for the villains, but that's done sarcastically. Oooh! Da big bad cwiminal iz gonna hurt wittle ole me! I'm tho thcared!

That's why Capes and villains don't get much respect and get pushed around by them in the streets.

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Gotta love the idiot factor in here.

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We do love you. That's why everyone has been patient and explained how and why things work. If they didn't love you they'd just flame you.

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Wish I could transfer my solo SG or its prestige with me. Earned over 5 mil prestige alone plus from the friends that no longer play.

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I would love to see an SG/base transfer.