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You are correct I did say that. I said that because I have watched the devs shoot down ideas I agreed with before for various reasons.

Sometimes the reasons are technical, and other times it's simply shot down because they don't want to do it.

For example, we have long requested that the devs add a feature that allows us to send offline SG invites to our own characters. In response we have flat out been told that if they ever added such a feature to the game they would deliberately code it so we couldn't send offline SG invites to our own characters.


Another example is the Power Slide sprint power. There have been many requests over the years asking the devs to sell that power again, but every time it gets brought up we get told no. Someone whose name is never mentioned (usually that means someone in management) is responsible for shooting down the idea, and they would have to stop working for the company before Power Slide could be considered for rerelease.

Just because they could make money doing something doesn't mean they'll decide to add it to the game.

Well the referral code feature is in itself slightly flawed since it can be used in an overly complicated way to get free VIP status for those willing to jump thru hoops to do it. But there are people willing to do it.


Now I'm not claiming it would be the sole reason behind why the devs wouldn't do it, but I think it is something they'll consider before deciding.


This is what I was thinking when I said it's an interesting train of thought.

I doubt anyone actually enjoys waiting when they have to watch others getting to use the object they desire. I hope the time passes quickly for you or a solution presents itself for you.

Yep. I know spouses, BF/GF's, parents with kids who use this to get free VIP time for accounts they don't keep active all the time because they've already reached tier 9 and unlocked the rewards they wanted.

I've even seen people admit to doing it in the occasional thread asking about referral codes.



An interesting train of thought but one that can already be done with the free stipend VIP's get each month. (2 tokens being the equivalent of 2 months stipend) so I don't see the devs implementing it.

No it's exactly like the test server and your try before you buy argument.

A movie trailer only shows you what the company wants to tantalize you with. You don't get to demand to see specific scenes before deciding to watch the whole movie.

Amusement parks don't let every Tom, Dick, or Harry walk up and ride a new ride before opening it up to the general public. When they test a ride to see if it will be liked they choose who they let in to get feedback.

No one ever said you couldn't or shouldn't ask any type of question (within forum rules and guidelines of course). But you are NOT entitled to an answer that "satisfies" you. That simply isn't how the world works. It's a simple fact of life we all have to live with.



And I love how quickly people with entitlement issues dismiss explanations they don't want to hear, and resort to insults when they realize they can't win an argument.


Oh and before anyone thinks about mentioning it. Being told one has entitlement issues is not an insult. It's an observation. Everyone has entitlement issues to one degree or another about something.

That's the discounted one that never made it to the live servers. The $15 dollar license is still available.

Not relevant.

Restaurants doesn't let people walk in off the street and try everything on the menu before deciding if they want to place an order.

Amusement parks don't let people ride all the rides for free before deciding if they want to buy admission.

Movie theaters don't let people walk in and watch movies before buying a ticket.

Best Buy doesn't let people test cook on a stove before buying it.

Home Improvement stores don't let you take a toilet for a test drive before buying and installing it in your home.

Just because some businesses choose to offer free samples/demos doesn't mean customers are entitled to free samples/demos from every business. Nor does a businesses decision to offer some things for free mean customers are entitled to get everything for free.

REFER A FRIEND CODES GIVES TIER 9 PREMIUM ACCOUNTS FREE VIP STATUS FOR 1 MONTH!

REFER A FRIEND CODES GIVES TIER 9 PREMIUM ACCOUNTS FREE VIP STATUS FOR 1 MONTH!



For someone that's played this game as long as you have you seem terribly unaware of just how large this games tier 9 community is.


There were thousands of tier 9 players in this game when Freedom launched and many more players have joined our ranks since then because buying Paragon Points in bulk made it so much easier to climb the Paragon Reward tree.

And of those tier 9 players many have dropped to Premium because they don't give a damn about Incarnate content, and only sub when it suits themn't sub because they have everything they currently want. They only sub when it suits them. Like when they can use referral codes to get free VIP time.

You also seem to be forgetting that a large portion of our playerbase has multiple accounts and that once Tier 9 has been reached on one account players with multiple accounts simply switched which accounts they've been keeping active so they can get their other accounts up to tier 9.

I understand your upset that you overlooked an obvious exploit but this isn't the first time this idea has been suggested and discussed.

What you don't think their are tier 9 Premium players that could easily use this for free by sending themselves "Refer a Friend" codes?

Wrong. She didn't say that. Agge knows that there are things players have asked for that are impossible to add to the game because the game doesn't support it and can't be made to support it.

I'm sincerely sorry Father Xmas, I should have been more clear.

I wasn't referring to anything you said, I was referring my own statement about the likelihood of getting useful beta testing feedback from VIP's vs non subscribers. I simply wanted to make it clear that I wasn't intending any slight towards the helpful beta testers who've dropped to premium status.

Again my apologies for my confusing statement.

Well for VIP's that aren't worried about moving further up the reward tree for whatever reason will have less motivation to buy points if they can get more from trading in reward tokens.

For other players every 1200 points purchased you get 1 Paragon Reward which could then be traded in for more points.

Never hurts to make a suggestion, and while I don't see this particular idea getting added, it's possible the devs might consider way of earning extra points for in game activities.

Might.

They'd have to take care to keep it from being easily abused by farming/grinding.

Another option is they might follow the example of other games and hook up with one of those online survey companies and give points to people that qualify and complete surveys.

Trial accounts had the following restrictions.

• Could not email other players
• Could not level past 14
• Limited to 50,000 inf
• Could not join global channels
• Chatting restricted to /local, /hc (the Help channel), and /team
• Could not invite players to team(but could join other players' teams)
• Could not join SuperGroups
• Could not create Mission Architect arcs
• Could not interact with Architect Entertainment Stations (but could be invited onto a team that was running MA missions)

Yeah very few things were restricted on trial accounts. They had it so much better before Freedom launched.

And as if my memory serves I don't think they had access to the test/beta servers either back then.

/This.

Ah yes, it's been a couple of years since I saw this particular sense of entitlement argument being made. Player access to the Test/Beta servers when the devs weren't using them has always been a courtesy granted by the devs out of the kindness of their hearts.

And as to how they expect someone to spend money on an unknown power set. Well that's exactly how the game worked for the past 8 years. Customers have ALWAYS had to pay a subscription if they wanted a sneak peak on the test server during an open beta.

Or anyone that has some sort of relationship with a person that suffers from those conditions.

Or the self righteous people that spend their lives being offended by stuff on behalf of unknown people that "might" be offended if they were ever to see it at some point in the unforseeable future.

Personally I'm with you and Aett on this.

All in favor of seeing this but you realize if they do it, it will be a non-combat travel power.

Scratch that last bit. I know you realize that. I'm just mentioning it because there will be people complaining about not being able to use their powers.

You forgot one group. The small but vocal group that wants everything for free and complains about how unfair it is that they have to pay for anything.