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I don't want fit prisoners. Screw the hard labor. That only means that they'll be in shape to commit more crimes when they are released.

I want fat flabby out of shape prisoners that can't walk 5 steps before they need to catch their breath. They won't be in any shape to break the law when they finally get released.

Yes you did, and I did the same in my detailed example of what I thought how a F2P/unlimited trial could work in this game. We just had different solutions.

A lot more does not in any way shape or form equal every single person like you claim they said.

A significant fraction is specifically targeting a portion of a group and not painting everyone with the same brushstroke.

This one is the closest that comes to including the largest number of people under it's assumption but even here a massive influx doesn't equal every single person.

This one is only speaking about one generic individual. How you get from a single player to every player is beyond me.

They aren't assumptive comments directed at the F2P community at large. What they are in fact are comments directed directly at the bad eggs that take advantage of the F2P business model to be abusive to both the F2P and subscription communities.

Yes I'm sure you can find more posts to misinterpret. You seem to be very good at reading between the lines and coming up with things that weren't actually said.


Yes it's true the internet is full of people that love being offended about things and make mountains out of molehills.



You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that the obnoxious jerks and RMTers don't exist and take full advantage of F2P games to behave badly but they still won't stop and they will come here if we go F2P.


Thanks for the armchair psychology but what you are referring to is what happens to optimists when they realize that life isn't fair and bad things happen to good people and all their attempts to stop it are futile.

They don't have the solid world view that pessimists do and thus when the doody hits the fan they get hit full in the face while the pessimist steps out of the way while saying, "Yep, saw that coming."

And that's why you'll always find yourself unhappy with how the world works.

Because there will be a negative impact. It's just common sense to take take preventative steps to minimize the effect of jerks and RMTers.

Why do you lock your the doors to your house and car when you leave them? Because while you know most people aren't thieves there are still plenty of them that will break in and take your stuff.

Why do you buy insurance? Because you are anticipating bad things will happen and you want to be prepared for them.

Why do we search people at airports? Because we know that if we didn't more terrorists would hijack planes and kill people.

The only person I seen say anything close to that claim is you. No one else has said that every single player that starts a F2P account will be an obnoxious Dbag.


Yes. Opinions are neither right or wrong. That's why they are called opinions and not facts.

And yet pessimists are the happiest people on earth becasue they are never disappointed when the worst happens and frequently surprised when things turn out to be better than they predicted.

And the fact that you aren't blindly sticking your tongue into electric sockets without checking to see if the power is off, or firmly placing your hand on stoves without checking to see if they are on first is proof that those same generalizations actually do hold water as you put it.

That's exactly what we've been saying, and making suggestions to minimize their negative impact on the gaming community.

The only reason we've been able to deal with them effectively so far is because there are consequenses in place that make acting like an obnoxious jerk unpleasant.

Getting banned means they will have thrown away the cost of the game as well as all the money they spent on booster packs and their monthly subscription.

F2P accounts don't have any consequences to discourage such behaviour. The community is forced to endure the bad eggs and hope they get tired and move on to another game.

If the main site and forum announcement were edited then I agree with you 110%, and checking back to the original announcement I see that was edited as well ad the discussion thread. So you have a valid point.

The discussion thread about the announcement tho I disagree. I expect those to get edited from time to time if things change because some people only briefly scan posts instead of paying close attention.

No it doesn't.

One does not have to stick his tongue into dozens of electric outlets to know it hurts, nor do they need to touch dozens of hot stoves to know they are hot, and they don't need to play dozens of F2P games to learn that there are F2P players that are rude and obnoxious because there are no consequences to getting an account banned. They'll just create a new account and continue acting like jerks.

People only need one experience to form an opinion, and they can take an unpleasant experience in one situation and apply it to any number of different scenarios.

Hmm I touched a hot stove and it hurt so I won't do that again.

What you say that light bulb is hot because it's been on for a couple hours? Well I remember what happened when I touched a hot stove so I won't touch that light bulb.

Hmm That lit cigar will probably hurt if I drop it in my lap because it's hot so I'll try not to do that.

Hmm those candles will probably hurt me if I try to put them out with my hand so I'll blow them out instead.

And getting a blister on the thumb or forefinger is slave labour?

Okay that is different and thank you for clarifying. From what I've seen in certain other F2P MMO's that aspect applied top the free accounts and the subs get the content for free when it's added.

I have no problem with the freebies having to buy extra content. It serves as a way to pay to keep the game active and acts as an incentive for F2P players to upgrade to a sub so they can get it for free as well.

And with the amount of credit card fraud and identity theft going on over the internet it's not unreasonable for a company to set security requirements to minimize fraudulant charges. They get a financial penalty for each fraudulant charge they make to a Credit Card company and or bank that they didn't catch.

They are in business to make money not pay fines to banks and credit card companies.

The advertisement doesn't even mention being able to save transfers sp where exactly is the false advertising?





The post you are referring to isn't an advertisement. It's a discussion thread set up so players can talk about the sale and what's going on, and it's located in a different section of the forums than the Anouncement section where they advertised the sale on the forums.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=3655414

I will concede that Beasts original post in that thread has been edited today by another redname.

The fact that you use a hosting service that masks your actual IP address is not NCSofts fault. Furthermore it's not their problem.

Hypocrisy has nothing to do with it. It's human nature to remember unpleasant experiences and try to avoid them if possible.

Don't believe me? Then go stick your tongue in an electric wall socket, or put your hand on a red hot stove.

You say you're not going to do that because it hurts? Well that's a negative experience and you are trying to avoid it.

Think that's too extreme of an example then just pop on up to the rude thells thread and read the thousands of negative experiences players have had with jerks playing this and several other games.

The sad truth of the matter is that even tho the jerks and RMTers only make up a tiny fraction of the overall gaming community in any game, they are still the people that we remember the most because that is how human beings are wired. We remember unpleasant situations more vividly so we can learn from them and avoid them.

This isn't true. If this game goes F2P it will most likely follow the route of tiered accounts.

Uhm news flash but this game as well as every sub based MMO is already pay per play. You can't play unless you pay first, and the smallest block of time you can buy is 30 days.

No argument on the nickel and diming, but it's up to the company how far they take it. If they are smart they'll try to find a balance between what gets added for free and what has to be bought.

If they are really smart they'll make sure everything in the store (with the exception of things like server transfers and rename tokens) is available for free in the game as long as the player puts the effort into unlocking it.

That way players don't have to spend money to get what they want from playing the game, and the "Gottahaveitnao" impulse buyers can buy it from the store.

They did follow thru with it. While the problem with the servers not being listed was going on you could save transfers. That problem has been fixed and now saving them isn't necessary. You are disgruntled because you missed the window where saving them was necessary.

Now it would have been nice if they announced when the fix was made that that option to save them was no longer being offered instead of only responding in a thread that the list was fixed and nothing else.

No they don't. The free transfers they gave out were scheduled specifically for the release of Going Rogue. The first time when it was scheduled for launching in the first quarter of 2010 and when it got pushed back to August they had the second one the first week it launched. They've never given them out every once in a long while.


No one said they couldn't do it if they wanted to

Why? If a player decides to move a character to another server he should take the time beforehand to decide where he wants it moved to. Unless the company is holding a promotion like with GR, or there is a problem with the transfer feature working correctly they aren't obligated to make a permanent change.

Don't get me wrong, it would be a great gesture of goodwill to the community if they did let them stack.

Unfortunately the company can't anticipate every situation that might prevent someone from participating in a sale. It sucks that you have to miss this and you have my sympathy.

That is no longer a problem. All the servers are showing up as shown below and confirmed by a Zwillinger.


So the reason they reason they were letting us save transfers for later has been fixed and isn't required anymore. Just pick a server and make the transfer.

The only reason they mentioned saving them for later was because the entire list of servers was not showing up.


That is no longer a problem. All the servers are showing up as shown below and confirmed by a Zwillinger.


So there's no reason to wait. Just pick a server and make the transfer.

Sure thing. Here's the link to the page in the wiki

http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Global_channel



Date and time are in the lower right corner to show when I took the screenshot.

Glad to hear that the info on the wiki is wrong in this case. More is always better.

That means nothing without more data to compare it to which we don't have. It could simply mean that they went from earning $100 dollars in revenue to $115 dollars.

That's one of the reasons I couldn't resist posting it over here.

Uhm . . . people not wanting to take the Star is nothing unusual in this game. It's been that way for 7 years, why would incarnate trials be any different?