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Quote:http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=266436Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Just using this to collate prices as we hear them.
Points * Dollar Equivalent * Item
20..........$0.25......................Wizard Beard (From the Magic Pack)
40..........$0.50......................Classic Steampunk Hat (From the Steampunk Pack)
40..........$0.50......................Pop Dance Emote (From the Party Pack)
60..........$0.75......................Bioluminesc ent Chest (From the Mutant Pack)
60..........$0.75......................Wolf Head (From the Animal Pack)
60..........$0.75......................Organic Armor Sword (From the Mutant Pack)
80..........$1.00......................Smoke Bomb Costume Change Emote (From the Martial Arts Pack)
80..........$1.00......................Wonderful Wind-Up Wings (From the Steampunk Pack)
80..........$1.00......................Runes Aura (From the Origins Pack)
100........$1.25......................Technology Origin Cape (Impervium Mantle) – (From Origins Pack)
100........$1.25......................Uncommon Recipes*
400........$5.00......................Complete Magic Costume Set (from the Magic Pack)
400........$5.00......................Signature Stories
(NOTE: VIPs GET SIGNATURE STORIES FOR FREE, AS PART OF VIP STATUS)
600........$7.50......................Hoverboard Travel Power
800......$10.00......................Character Server Transfer Token
(NOTE: VIPs GET ONE TRANSFER TOKEN FREE PER MONTH)
800......$10.00......................Character Respec
800......$10.00......................Street Justice Powerset*
800......$10.00......................Kinetic Melee Powerset*
800......$10.00......................Costume Slot
1200....$15.00......................an ArcheType (e.g., Controller or MM)*
(NOTE: VIPs GET ALL ATs AS PART OF THEIR SUBSCRIPTION)
1600....$20.00......................5 Character Slot Tokens
Original list from this thread
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Quote:Well I know I never bought more than one edition for my account when they were released so going by the dates I have boughtOriginally Posted by Strike_Hawk
I see what you all are saying. Just because it says "Retail" doesn't mean it was the original retail box every time. So maybe once I bought the original box, once the villains box, once the AE edition box, etc.
I am almost positive I have purchased the original retail one more than once. I think I am going to pull the trigger on one of these and be the guinea pig. I have a buddy getting into the game at the moment, he is on a trial account so even if the code doesn't work for me I will just give it to him and I know that will work for him.
I will keep you posted!
CoH Retail Jul 11, 2004 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-LK4Y
CoH collectors DVD Nov 21, 2004 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-LHXN
CoV Preorder Oct 23, 2005 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-GM75
CoV Retail Oct 31, 2005 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-626P
City of Heroes® Good Versus Evil Special In-Game Item Pack Oct 5, 2006 XXXX- XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-TB6L
City of Heroes® Wedding Pack Feb 14, 2008 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-ANN8
Perk Sep 17, 2008 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-SUYA
Mac edition Retail Jan 8, 2009 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-KA52
Perk Apr 14, 2009 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-CR8S
Perk Jul 15, 2009 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-2TVG
Perk Nov 13, 2009 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-PJYV
Going Rogue Prepurchase Expansion Mar 3, 2010 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-S35E
Perk Jul 1, 2010 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-UHXE
Going Rogue Retail Aug 18, 2010 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-4M5L
Perk Aug 20, 2010 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-RNC9
Perk Nov 3, 2010 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-X4GH
Perk Feb 23, 2011 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-PUN5
Perk Apr 28, 2011 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-BYKU
Perk Jun 1, 2011 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-UFZ4 -
Quote:Only that didn't happen. The game is still fun and solo capable. All the stuff he had fun playing before he left is still there along with a few new things that were mentioned above.Originally Posted by Psychic Guardian
I completely understand the OPs position. Leaving a fun solo capable game and coming back to try out the new content, only to see that the game's playstyle has changed to be non-solo-friendly for the epic new content everyone is playing for is frustrating. Sure they could run tips or IO out a build or become an ebil marketeer, but it sounds like OP would rather be throwing around Judgement, casting Destiny and summoning Lore allies.
Now if he honestly feels that he can't enjoy the game on his current server he can pony up the $10 bucks and buy a transfer to Freedom. -
Quote:Neither. I prefer forming my own opinions.Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Metacritic numbers are actual averages, Rotten Tomatoes is a Pass/Fail percentage.
For instance if all the reviews of a movie have a individual rating of 59/100, Metacritic would be 59 while RT would be 0. If all the individual ratings were 60/100, Metacritic would be 60 while RT would be 100.
Now whose amalgamated ratings method would you rather use? -
Quote:/all of the aboveOriginally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Options:
1. Use the test server. Do your respec there, make sure you have everything, copy the build and redo it on live.
2. Mids. Download, work out your respec, follow your "leveling plan" as you do it.
3. Second build. Consider it a "free respec" if you haven't used it (you get a second at ten, a third when you unlock your Alpha slot.) Use that, don't worry about slotting, make sure you have everything, give it a trial run, then copy it over and do it on your main build.
(TitanSentinel from cit.cohtitan.com, will let you export your build to Mids to look at/print out.) -
It would be nice if instead of the word retail they listed what edition the code was for. Then we could easily see what we did or didn't have.
It can be very irritating to buy a cheap good vs evil for example, only to find out you already unlocked that edition and the code is useless to you. -
Quote:Hope this helps.Originally Posted by Remorseless
If I understand with the Redeem slots I could have more toons on a server than the usual 12. When the game go Free to play will I lose those 5 slots I have in bank or do I have to use them before. And if I use them now will I be able to keep the extra toons when it goes Free to play.
Quote:Originally Posted by Positron
Anything you earned or bought for your account will ALWAYS be available to that account, whether it's VIP or Premium. -
You can only use them if you don't already have that edition unlocked on your account. For example you can't use two CoV codes on the same account, but your account can have 1 code from each
CoH edition
CoH collectors edition
CoV edition
Good vs Evil edition
Mac edition
Architect edition
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Quote:Sorry Charlie. The devs already made their decision so I don't have to prove anything. You are the one arguing for change so it's on your head to prove that your idea is sound.Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
The question is not about why don't they allow it now. It is about why shouldn't they ever allow it? I'll point out again that this is the suggestion forum, where it is perfectly acceptable to ignore what the devs have said in the past in order to discuss the future.
You do realize that nothing in this game would ever progress if the devs weren't capable of changing their minds, right? "The devs said so" is not a valid objection to a suggestion that is in reference to a future change.
Anyway, enough semantical bs, free alignment changes would be awesome. Prove me wrong
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Quote:That's a fair compromise I could live with.Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Here's how you'd get me to agree to an alignment change token:
- It sends you ONLY to full hero or full villain
- It locks you out of the Alignment/Tip system completely. No more merits. No more tips. No changing your mind. For your entire account.
You want to skip the system, you get to skip the system. Permanently. -
Quote:Because the devs have flat out told us they don't want players to instantly change alignments.Originally Posted by O_MegaMan
My question is, as it has always been: what makes alignment change tokens so fundamentally distasteful? What is wrong with them, and what is with people's undying opposition to them?
TLDR:
WHY IS HAVING AN ALIGNMENT CHANGE TOKEN A BAD THING?
Seriously how hard is this to understand? We don't have to like it, but that's the decision they have made. Their game, their rules.
Here's a few similar examples
The devs reduced the amount of salvage that can be stored in SG salvage bins from 2500 to 30. Why? because they don't want us storing larger amounts in them.
The devs only allow us to pull 10 enhancements off of a build during a respec. Why? Because they feel 10 was being generous.
The devs decided that we can't change powersets once they are selected. Why? Because they don't want us changing powersets. -
Also just an FYI a while back they decided to add the rank of Super Leader to SG's. The player holding that rank is the defacto owner of the SG and can do whatever he or she wants with it regardless of what other members want.
The auto demote is still in effect if the Super Leader goes inactive longer than what it is set at. 45 day maximum.
From what I understand this rank was created because CS was getting drawn into too many petty disputes between SG members and their leaders. They will now only get involved when and if an actual EULA/player conduct violation occurs.
Sadly this means a person is out of luck if they return to the game and find that they've been kicked from an SG. -
Quote:Oh another server "x" is dead? see belowOriginally Posted by Stardanno
Gone for about a year, just got back. Unfortunetly, Pinnacle is dead as a door nail. What is a 50 supposed to do if there isn't anyone else playing?
If there any way to earn Incarnate XP, or get the materials needed to craft Incarnate stuff if you have to go solo?
Quote:Originally Posted by Talonflash
First, welcome back. You seem to be but one of many returning players, and that is a good thing.
Second, _nothing_ has been taken away in the year you have been gone. Go do what you used to do before the incarnate system.
Thrid, Pinnacle is my home server, and at the times I log on is usually the fourth or fifth most heavily loaded. Join the PinnBadges channel to get in on the action./thisQuote:Originally Posted by darkangel32
pinnacle is not dead at all, its lower pop than virtue and freedom and maybe a few other servers but its not dead. pinnacle is my home server also and almost everything is done through the pinnbadges global channel. might want to put that on your tab. last night i ran two itfs on two of my 50s, one baf and saw several more start up throughout the night that i wasnt able to make cause i was in the itf at the time.
as for what a 50 can do without trials. well you can work on a build, run itf which is alot easier to organize than a trial and you get incarnate shards for it to work on your alpha slot. run ae architect missions for tickets for salvage and recipe rolls and turn those into cash, i didnt even try last night and made 200 million on recipe drops just from running itfs so I can get my build right for my defender. if all else fails just go work on another character and run a few missions and watch pinnbadges till a trial starts up. like i said about 5 or more started up last night and i know one of them we didnt even get a full raid to run it so we were looking for more people before we ran it. there is plenty going on, sounds like you are not in the right channels to get in on the runs.
and /thisQuote:Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Good advice darkangel, that's exactly what I was going to say.
Pinnacle is definitely not dead. Join PinnBadges, and I or another mod will unsilence you as soon as we see you there.
Oh the things that can be accomplished by simply joining some global channels.
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There's not going to be anything definite until they pretty much decide what's going to be in it.
Even if they did give us an example of what it might look like there will be people screaming bloody murder if there are any changes in price and quantity between the example and what finally goes live.
So it's in their best interests to keep things under wraps until they are ready. -
Quote:Yeah and as soon as NCSoft got in control they started working on putting an end to it. Same as they did here. It's been a long ongoing process that we all knew was going to eventually happen.Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Which was hilarious, in the same way that someone claiming that ice and soda are two separate menu items would be hilarious.
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Quote:I agree. Even tho our wonderful generous devs had the best intentions when they decided to give them out, it set a bad precedent and is a perfect example of no good deed going unpunished. As soon they did it the immature whiners with entitlement issues started making idiotic demands and about the unfairness that their petty demands are being ignored. And it's been going on nonstop for years.Originally Posted by O_MegaMan
No reason for a freespec. We should stop having those.
There is no reason for a free tailor token. We should stop having those.
Some examples
It's not fair that they can't pull every enhancement off of a respec.
It's not fair that they can't have vehicles.
It's not fair that they force PvP into specific zones.
It's not fair that they can't make ripoffs of their favorite heroes/villains.
It's not fair that they have to participate in PvP if they want to get Shivans or Nukes.
It's not fair that things are so expensive at the market.
It's not fair that they can't abuse AE exploits.
It's not fair that someone else got the name they wanted first.
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Quote:No they haven't. Alignment changes were added for role playing purposes. This is after all a role playing game.Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
They have made the alignment change unnecessary.
CoH was created so people could role play super heroes.
CoV was created so people could role play super villains.
Going Rogue was created so people could role play the moral dilemma between good and evil.
No it isn't, and you can post otherwise til you are blue in the face and it still won't be true.Quote:This is completely parallel with why they give respecs for power changes.
New characters don't get freespecs because they weren't created when the a power was changed. Only pre-existing characters get freespecs.Quote:New characters dont get the respec because the fundamental game change is already in place
The devs give them out to everyone because they are such nice people. That doesn't mean we are entitled to them, or anything else for free.
The devs give out free tokens as a courtesy when the changes they make take the choice out of the players hands.
When they change a power they give out freespecs.
When they merged the server lists they gave out Global Name change tokens.
When a GM generics a character's name or costume they give out a name change or costume token.
When a player changes servers and loses a name they give out a name change token.
The difference with alignments is that you knew full well when you created the character what your choices were for the time being. You could
a. Make a straight villain and change alignments at level 20. Or
b. Make a Praetorian and make a heroic villain AT from level 1.
Everyone knew when GR was launched that everything would eventually be merged and we'd be able to make whatever we wanted regardless of faction. We even predicted that the merge would start a year after GR went live, because that's exactly how long it took them to merge CoH and CoV into one game.
Yeah the first year that CoV was launched CoH and CoV were separate purchases and you couldn't play the both sides without buying both games.
Now if the devs came out and told people that they were separating the factions into stand alone games and any characters that were caught between factions (vigilante or Rogue) were going to be forced to one side or the other, then there would be a valid argument for being given alignment change tokens. Why? Because that's a scenario where players would actually have an alignment forced upon them. -
Quote:You are implying it with comments like thisOriginally Posted by StratoNexus
Who is asking them to?
If that's not what you meant to imply you should have worded it more carefully.Quote:You still have not given me that relevant quote where some Dev said anything like that this decade.
And that's exactly what we've been doing.Quote:The Suggestion and Ideas forum is a place where players can, "Have an idea or suggestion? Talk about them here!"
Considering that I recently posted this in another thread where I disagree with the OP's idea.Quote:Forbin_Project does not constantly have to waste his time telling every Tom, Dick, and Harry that they should not talk about suggestions and ideas in this forum because the Devs are never going to do it anyway, or do you?
Yeah I see what you mean. It sure sounds like I'm telling people that they shouldn't talk about suggestions and ideas.Quote:Please don't get discouraged about making suggestions from the responses you get here. Not all ideas get overwhelming support. It's nothing personal. People may love your next idea.Quote:I dunno, I am going to delete my lowbie future heroes and re-roll them. Just though I could make the suggestion.
The truth of the matter is that the only time I suggest someone not post is when they start overreacting and take disagreement as personal attacks. If a person isn't mature enough to handle disagreement and constructive criticism of his idea then he should send it via PM to the devs.
If they choose to post in an open forum then they have to put on their big boy pants and take the positive feedback along with the negative feedback.
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Quote:RPers like myself don't care one way or another because we've been role playing heroic villains and villainous heroes from day one. Role playing is about how you act in character with other players not about the limits you put on your own imagination.Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
O-mega Man always has my back no matter how badly Im outnumbered, even when he thinks I shouldn't have started it in the first place.
Thats what being a hero is all about, not putting tedious obstacles in an RPG. lol and Im not even a real role player. I wonder what the hardcore RPs think about this.
If I want to RP that my character is a hyper-intelligent shade of blue from the Lundmarks Nebula then that is what he is and the fact that the only Alien AT's available to play are WS/PB's isn't going to stop me. -
Quote:No it isn't. You have repeatedly proclaimed that you were forced to make villains when it isn't true. Ever since side switching was introduced we have had the option of starting any archetype at level 1 in Praetoria and playing them as a hero or villain as we saw fit.Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
Didnt say I cant or wont, Ive done it many times. I dont care for praetoria and it is irrelevant to my OP.
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Quote:And this is where your analogy fails. The devs give out freespecs when they make changes to the way a power functions. Nothing changes when you switch alignments. A heroic Mastermind plays no differently than a villainous Mastermind. The only difference is what content you have access to.Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
This is where the respec analogy comes in. The devs dont have to give us respecs when they change powers, they could just tell us to suck it up and do a respec trial or re-roll the character. But they dont. Why? Because they changed something that we picked in the past. Logically a free alignment change fits this pattern. Its not necessary in any way, but it makes new options available to old characters with minimal hassle.
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Quote:And yet you want us to believe that while you can ignore the villain content by street sweeping and running AE missions to keep your villains pure, but you can't ignore the morality missions in game text. Or that you can't ignore a Praetorian origin after you've chosen a heroic alignment. Hypocrisy gotta love it.Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
Also, my praetorians are just fine, but hey are not earth heroes. They are irrelevant to my point. I could make a villain>hero, or a praetorian>hero, but both involve ignoring in game text and pretending the past never happened.
If you want to tell me that Im wrong that is fine, but you should at least read what Im saying first. -
Quote:No what he actually said wasOriginally Posted by O_MegaMan
No, he didn't. He stated that while taking a Villain to Hero via the alignment system can't be done in less than 4 days, re-rolling that character, and leveling them back up to Level 20 or so can be done in a matter of hours. The assertion there was simply that a one-time use alignment token would be more convenient than those two options. At no point in time did the OP say anything that could possibly be misconstrued as saying that a particular faction levels more quickly than another.
No matter how you do the math that adds up to 4 hours. People regularly get characters up to level 20 in 4 hours of game time regardless of faction. Many players take pride in the fact that they can do it.Quote:After I hit 20 I could spend ~1 hour a day for four days switching her to hero side. Or I could just delete her and re roll, then get back to 17 in less time than it would take to switch sides.
And that's the only reason the devs need. It's their game. Funny how that works. The people that create the game get to decide what is allowed in the game.Quote:How so? The argument against Alignment Change Tokens, so far from what I've gathered, is simply that the Dev's want us to utilize the Alignment system as it's been designed, and that awarding quick change tokens will circumvent that process.
And yet the devs have gone on record many times saying that if we don't like our powerset choices, our alignment, our AT's, or our origins we should roll up a new character because the game was designed to encourage alt creation.Quote:However, deleting, and re-rolling a character with a different alignment, and achieving a similar level in less time than it would take to play through the alignment system as designed sounds like a circumvention to me.
Doesn't change the fact that you can still get the "deleted" character back if you ask CS for it. The original character hasn't changed alignments.Quote:Sure, it's not the same character from a computer data standpoint, but if said character has the same name, powers, and costume, then for all intents and purposes, you've just changed alignments in less than the designed time period.
It's not a circumvention, you're making an entirely new character.Quote:If such a circumvention is totally acceptable now, then what problems do an Alignment Change Token present?
Placing a bid for 2 billion inf on an item in the market that doesn't exist so you can get around the inf cap is a circumvention.
Using alts as storage mules is a circumvention.
Using two accounts to invite your alts to a solo SG is a circumvention. -
Quote:1. Exactly where does it say that anything the devs has said or done has an expiration date? For example anything posted by the devs over 3 months old isn't valid anymore.Originally Posted by StratoNexus
So when I ask you for proof that the devs have looked at this concept significantly more recently than 2 years before launch, I am being unreasonable. When I make a statement without any proof, I am being unreasonable. When you make a statement without any proof, you are being reasonable.
The devs don't have to constantly waste time on the forums repeatedly explaining and justifying their decisions to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that doesn't like the answers he's being given. If they did that they'd never get anything done.
2. I didn't make a statement without any proof. That the devs tested free-form power sets and discarded them is a fact. -
Quote:Nice.Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Maybe they should throw an alignment change token in as a bonus with a certain size transaction once the a la carte pricing for optional stuff takes effect. I mean, you always get a free alignment if you buy all four tires, right? <rimshot!>
--CP