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And since he was working without a contract he was free to leave at any time and take his talents elsewhere.

I agree. There is no reason for players to see how many badges another person has. Nor is there any reason why another player should be able to see what powers you have.

The only badge that should be displayed is the one that you choose as one of your titles, and your power selections are no ones ******* business but your own.

The only players that need to know anything about prestige in an SG is the base architect, and the person that pays rent. And the only info they need to know is the total amount their own SG has so they can see if they have enough to pay the rent and buy stuff to expand the base.

1. Base sizes are limited by plotsize as well as the number if items that can be safely placed. (12,000-14,000 I think) There is only so much a base can build.

2. Rents are so ridiculously low, (less than 4,000 per month) A single character can earn enough prestige from 2-3 missions to pay the rent.

So there is no ingame mechanic that requires that knowledge.

The prestige of another SG is none of their business, and as far as SG members are concerned all anyone needs to see is if they are in SG mode or not and as I have said before that can be accomplished with a simple ON/OFF.

Ya don't need IO's to PvP either.

Yeah he plays CoH.

No. I don't have any problems with prestige. Prestige is the currency used to build bases. Nothing more, nothing less. Prestige is working exactly as intended.

The problem is with the features that are reporting how much prestige has been earned by an SG/player. Some players are under the misunderstanding that prestige is an indication of how good an SG/player is.

You don't need to see how much prestige a player has earned to know if he is in SG mode. That can be solved with a simple ON/OFF instead.

You don't need to know how much prestige an SG has earned anymore because the communities in game have long since evolved beyond SG membership and currently use Global channels instead.

Furthermore since prestige totals can be easily increased by the simple influence conversion at the SG Registrar they have long since stopped being an indicator of an active SG/player.

You don't need incarnate powers to PvP, but if F2P players want access to those powers it's just another incentive for them to spend money on the game. And it only takes a single purchase to upgrade an F2P account to a Premium account. GR isn't that expensive.

That's our point. The problem is that there are a number of players that are of the mind that prestige has an importance that it doesn't have, and it's not isolated to a few players. We simply think it's more beneficial to get rid of the listings than keep them.


Okay but as you have seen since that post the OP and I have come to an understanding on our perspectives and how they influenced our comments.

Quite the contrary Jagged. These were not limited to an individual player being an idiot. Over the years I and many others have encountered numerous SG's that were dedicated prestige farms which fostered elitism and snobbery over the amount of prestige an individual earned. Quite often those SG's had high turnover rates as new members quit in disgust or were booted because they didn't earn the amount of prestige the SG demanded, In some SG's I actually saw weekly quotas required.


If I may ask what exactly do you think was exaggerated?

Apparently you don't know what facts are. A fact is knowledge or information based on real occurrences. So yes if a person experiences elitism and snobbery based on the amount of prestige they have or haven't earned it is indeed a fact.

No one has ranted in this thread.

But Johnny that's what it will end up doing for a certain percentage of the playerbase. (I won't pretend to know the exact numbers) There are players that end up going thru many SG's for various reasons, sometimes it's just bouncing between a select group as their cycle thru various characters they like to play. Other times it's due to conflicts with other players, and several other reasons. And the longer a person plays the game the more likely a character will have several SG affiliations under their belt.

So let's say this idea is going to be implemented. My question to you then is how far back (meaning the number of SG's) are you willing to keep record of? 1, 2, 3, 6?


Edit: The reason I mention tracking multiple SG memberships is because there will always be people that can provide a reasonable argument for tracking prestige for more than 1 SG.

If anyone wants to take the name and run with it please be my guest. I'm far too casual a player to ever be an effective SG leader. If I used it it would be a solo SG.

1. That's already been answered above. You can ignore it all you like but that just shows you can't refute it.
2. Just because you want it doesn't make it sensible.

Why on earth should the devs create a useless feature to constantly keep track of the prestige earned for every single SG on every single server a character has ever been a member of just in case the character should decide to rejoin one of those previous SG's. Talk about an inefficient cluster<bleep>.

Yeah that's another decent solution.

First off glad to see you realized the way I posted was intended to be lighthearted.

Personally I didn't realize prestige conversions showed as prestige earned until a few years ago.

As to the SG's I've been in, the members have several which are in coalition with each other and they frequently move characters between them based on what their playing and which base they are working on expanding.

I ask myself who contributes more to an SG, the guy that farms prestige or the guy that sponsors SG events and recruits members, or they guy that spends hundreds of hours designing the base and giving tours, or the guy that spends his time helping new players learn the ropes.

I couldn't guess the name of the SG with the most prestige but when I think of famous SG's names & players, names like the Mentor Project, Taxibot Belle, Paragon Search and Rescue, and Cape Radio and their DJ's come to mind.

While I am a card carrying member of the Cult of Foamy there is no other similarity between the two organizations other than the squirrely reference. The Cult of Foamy seeks world domination, while the Church of the Drunken Squirrel seeks to consume large quantities of alcohol. Not exactly overlapping goals.

Is there confirmation that that is what remote vault will do? If so sweet.

If wishes were fishes.

I wish they left the limit at 150 like it was in I9 beta testing.
I wish we could store enhancements, recipes, and inspirations in it as well.
And I wish we had a way to check what was in it without having to run back to the damn vault.

At no point did I say you shouldn't have made this suggestion. I merely voiced my disagreement along with an explanation as to why based on past dev actions.

Getting negative feedback is also part of the suggestion process.



I was responding to the idea that you put forth that the devs actions are based on pettiness and later spiteful in another post. Well that's how I took it to mean when I read it but it's possible my interpretation was faulty.

You have nothing to apologize for. I wouldn't even call this a heated discussion compared to other threads I've seen . . . and there have been some doozies over the years.

Uhm if you are interested in some friendly advice from an abrasive old fart, I'd suggest that it would be a good idea to remember that there's nothing personal in these discussions. 95% of us don't carry grudges. We may disagree with you (sometimes vehemently) in one thread and in another be your staunchest supporter.

So don't ever get discouraged by negative feedback and don't let it stop you from making more suggestions.

Whatever their reasons they are, as far as we know, still refusing to consider the idea.