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Quote:My god, I prefer to solo thru the low levels and I never have less than a million inf by level 10 from just selling drops on the market. Heck I usually get between 100k and 500k by selling the two inspirations that dropped in the old tutorial.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
As someone who still doesn't even know HOW to power level in CoH, outside of tagging with friends crushing RWZ repeatables, I can atest to never ever having the cash for SO slotting at level 22 just on one character with no support.
I plan ahead and place some cheap bids on IO's at the market and when I reach the appropriate level I slot them and don't worry about reslotting until I hit the 30's -
Quote:I can believe that was true in some cases where the player was smart enough to plan it that way.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Actually, some of the people that PLed themselves sometimes had less of a problem for the simple reason that they often didn't slot anything at all until the upper levels, so they had influence saved up. No reason to slot enhancements if you're mostly along for the ride and the ride's not lasting very long anyway.
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Quote:Actually there is truth to what he says, especially for the powerlevelers. They would level faster than they could earn inf to afford enhancements. But that was the trade off for that style of gameplay. Players that ran regular content didn't find themselves out of funds as often as people like Badger.Originally Posted by Feycat
You can think that if you like, doesn't make it true.
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Quote:Not according to the writers. I'll take their word over a disgruntled fan any day of the week.Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
How would you know, without getting injected? Those injections might have been perfectly safe all along.
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Quote:That's all that's really needed and the devs probably have something like that planned now that they have Freedom ready to launch.Originally Posted by Silver Gale
I'd be more for creating special Vigilante/Rogue-only arcs.
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Quote:/thisOriginally Posted by Rainbow Avenger
Themselves.
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Quote:Nope. Players that used to cancel their subs didn't get any access at all to the game.Originally Posted by Diggis
Look, I'm not against Freedom, but they said users wouldn't lose access to anything they paid for. And, in buying Going Rogue, you paid for access to the Incarnate system. Can you honestly say that's not a little bit rich?
Before Freedom when I canceled a sub I lost all access to any boosters I paid for on that account anyway.Quote:How would you feel if you bought the cyborg pack, but if you dropped to premium you lost access to it? -
Quote:Personally I'd prefer that the Frees and Prems wait until after I21 launches to make their complaints on the forums.Originally Posted by Lost Ninja
If you think that the restrictions are wrong, the suggestions forums is this way. Or you know vote with your feet and leave the game.
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Quote:You are also overlooking that she had the facility computer at her beck and call to help educate her and explain how to make her sonic probe, and lots of hi-tech robots and god knows what else technology to get parts from.Originally Posted by docbuzzard
Fabrication and parts are not as simple as one might imagine. Amy has all the technical expertise of your average strip O gram. I greatly like Amy, but suddenly showing amazing aptitude for making a basically omni device capable of whatever is needed at the time was over the top for me.
No tools, no analysis equipment, no prior expertise, and yet she throws together a plot magic device. Sorry, I don't buy that one. -
Quote:Simply because the facility was designed to be automated and in the 36 years Amy was there it didn't adapt. Also since Amy was able to use that time to learn how to build her own Sonic Probe she also had plenty of time to learn if the facility could adapt to human biology and activate it if it was dormant.Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Also, how do we know the facility couldn't detect and adapt to human biology?
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I'd be happy to throw things at the whining tourists. I prefer canned peas.
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Quote:Yeah some double standard. Players were much better off when they cancelled their subs and lost all access to the servers. NCSoft is a bunch of jerks. Where do they get off thinking people should still get limited access for free.Originally Posted by Diggis
Except, without GR you can't access it.
With Freedom, if you bought GR, and are going Premium you can't access it. Despite having bough GR for access to it.
There really is a double standard there.
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Quote:The only problem is he doesn't have any legitimate concerns.Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Guys? Seriously...
I'm gonna quote this since everyone seems to have glossed over it with their bigoted ideas of what it 'should' say.
Now, I have no problem jumping all over the 'Ragequitters' as I have before. Theres the door and all that jazz. You know what though? This isn't ragequitting... This isn't even 'whining' This is a problem, plain and simple. You don't have to agree with it, you just have to accept it.
This poster, played for a bit years ago and then left for unstated reasons. They heard about Freedom and wanted to come back, bringing a handful of friends (or hyperbole) with them!
Once they came back they remembered the fun, they got their friends hooked and were all excited about pumping money into the store for 'goodies' ala most F2P.
They then found out about the tier structure, realized they'd end up spending all their 'Goodies' money on features of the game, thus leaving them unable to buy the extras... The extra's that attracted them back to start with and decided to cut their losses ahead of time.
Then they come here and calmly spell out why, in a thread asking for feedback on this issue.
Do we offer up alternatives?
Do we inform them about how simple and cheap it is to get the features they'd be missing?
No, we kick them in the teeth and say good day. /Facepalm.
NOW. That said, let me point out the real problem here. Perception.
However wrong Fetus was is irrelevant, the fact is he brings to light a serious issue. Perception could very well kill this whole endeavor before it even has a chance.
Look, this was a returning player, the very kind that Freedom is designed to appeal to. Get them back with the lure of F2P and then they'll be rehooked and subbing. That is the desired goal. Focusing on Subs will be the mandate, I have no doubt. That also means PS is wanting to convert as many premiums into ViP's as possible. In fact, this has to happen.
Sadly, perception could very well stall the whole effort. It doesn't matter what Paragon Studio's calls it, it doesn't matter that we have a mountain of evidence that this is NOT F2P. All that matters is the returning premiums, the new players coming on for free...
They all have the misconception of what F2P means. Since every single outlet that covers this is going to brand it as F2P and not hybrid, they will come in droves, wallet in hand to buy some bling. When they quickly realize they'll be spending all their cash on missing features instead of bling, it's bye bye birdie.
Why should you care? You're here aren't you?
If Freedom fails it's very possibly game over within 2 years. Freedom needs to generate more $ than we are currently getting through Subs. The hope is to achieve this by converting Prems into Vip's and Freebers into Prem's.
I'm not advocating for a change, I'm not saying Fetus was right. I'm saying we need to 'open our eyes' and stop jumping down every negative post like it's the 2nd coming of Twixt and realize that maybe, just maybe, they have a legitimate concern.
1. He and his friends don't NEED to buy anything to play the basic game. He's mad because he doesn't WANT to play the basic game, he WANTS to play the enhanced game but he doesn't WANT to pay for it.
2. NCSoft always said the game is a hybrid model. It is not their fault that sources outside their control are giving people the wrong idea.
3. The details of the new hybrid payment model were released on June 21st. Several weeks before Heroic bought his copy of CoH on sale for $1.99. He had plenty of time to read up on the details of Freedom and make an informed decision that he wasn't going to like it before he spent a dime.
4. Ah yes the Dooooom!. We've been getting those predictions going on 8 years now. Considering that NCSoft has a rep for simply axing games that aren't profitable (Dungeon Runners, Tabula Rossa, Exsteel for examples) I'm not going to put much faith in any negative forecasts about the future of this game when they are still pumping money into it's development. That tells me NCSoft still feels this game is still profitable. -
Quote:Uhm the Incarnate System was Issue 19 which was released on November 30, 2010. Three months after Going Rogue went live on August 17, 2010.Originally Posted by Death_Badger
I understand that.
I just find it amusing that Incarnate access is part of GR when it suits the Devs. Post Freedom, it is no longer considered part of GR, as if it were then surely non subscribers who had bought GR would have access. -
Quote:To be honest I didn't think about it at all. I just noticed that it was the players with the _EU that seemed to be unfamiliar with the show, and I couldn't resist needling them.Originally Posted by Zikar
I thought you thought I was American.
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Quote:Funny I can remember teaming with people from England, Denmark, Brazil, and Australia before the EU servers launched. So I think its a valid statement to say the players are from all over the world. Or do you think England, Denmark, Brazil, and Australia are all in the continental boundaries of North America?Originally Posted by EU_Damz
For you lot maybe
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Quote:And the devs have flat out stated many times that that is exactly what they intended to accomplish. The goal of Freedom is to reward subscribers and entice free and premium players to become subscribers, because VIP's get more.Originally Posted by Arbegla
and my main point was that no matter how high up the premium players go, VIPs will always get more.
If players don't want to subscribe well they can still stick around but they'll get less. Unlike before when they were cut off completely. -
Quote:I think you misunderstood what he was talking about when he mentioned the $2 dllars per month.Originally Posted by rsclark
That attitude would make this entire experiment a failure. Virtually no one stopped subscribing because $15 was too expensive, so dropping the price by $13 is meaningless. They stopped playing because they didn't like something about the game. The trick is to make them believe the game is better now. The way to do that isn't to give them a game that isn't better.
"Oh, I remember why I quit" is not the result they want to get from Freedom.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the IO license which costs Premium players $2 dollars per month to use IO's, not suggesting they drop the monthly sub $2 dollars to entice people to remain subbed. -
Quote:I had similar hopes for a double of Rory, only I wished to see him as The Lone Centurion staying by older Amy's side right up to where they ceased to exist.Originally Posted by StormSurvivor
As it was getting towards the end of the show, I was fully expecting Rory to somehow be in two times at once, and for one to stay with older Amy. Along with a post-Tardis scene of that pair, happy and even older in their little hideaway.
The ending we got instead was sad. But I liked it.
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Quote:Your not part of continental Europe, but being only 21 miles away at the Straight(s) (can never remember if it's straight or straights) of Dover, the English are close enough for me to be included in the European community. No offense intended.Originally Posted by Zikar
And I'm English
Had I meant to be offensive I'd have said Belgium several times.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Sweater
Show me one of these folks, please. Nobody expects to get everything for free. It's just a turn of phrase some people (like you) use to make it sound as if giving free players a little more is a terrible thing which only the lowest scum would want.
Edit: Actually I seem to remember an "I want everything for Premium" guy. I think that went with "if you don't give me everything for free then I'll stop playing" (ooh, now they're shaking). Still these will be a tiny minority. Most people just want a little more and aren't adverse to paying. By ignoring them and talking only about the folks who want everything for free you're weakening your argument, because you're implicitly telling us that only by taking the issue to an extreme you can show a real problem with it.
Sure thing. They aren't hard to find.
andQuote:Originally Posted by Heroic Fetus
So I thought I'd log a final entry into this thread.
My friends and I bought CoH during the Freedom sale. Some of us are returning players, some are new. We have been playing the **** out of CoH for the past couple weeks. At $1.99 to pick up the game, plus a free month, it has been totally worth it. We were looking forward to continuing to play as Freedom launched, until the details of the F2P system were announced
In all seriousness, I called all of my friends (who bought CoH with me) and told them what the new systems were going to be like. When I asked them if they wanted to play F2P, pay for VIP, or just quit... they laughed. And laughed. Because it was a rhetorical question, a joke if you like, and they all knew it.
Quote:Originally Posted by T_Immortalus
I bought that content. I have a physical disk. I have the right to use it.
What if I bought a digital copy at $30(or whatever) that included a month of time?
What does the extra $15 cover?
I have the right to use the content that I obviously paid directly for, which is easily proven by the above digital example.
The ONLY reason this still happens is that they have not been tried in court yet to set a precedent that forces companies into a more fair business practice.
I guarantee somebody could sue and either reach a huge settlement that makes the company change the policy, and all others with the same policy, or goes to court and wins.
I even believe it would happen with other companies even after changing their policy due to previous customers being under the problem model.
I would sue if I thought I could get a lawyer to try it with little money and wanted to destroy the company, but I just want them to be better.
I don't want to force them to be more fair. I want them to choose it so I don't have to. -
I don't care how much the cost breaks down to, I'm happy with the fact that in order to complain about the game they'll be supporting the game by paying for forum access.
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Quote:My apologies hey.Originally Posted by Lucky666
fixt, I'm Canadian
I thought all Canadians ever did was drink beer, watch hockey and <bleep> about French Canadians.
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Quote:That's assuming the whole story about his friends is true. It wouldn't be the first time someone nerdraging embellished the truth in an attempt to make his meaningless I'm quitting post seem more serious.Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
So you ranted and overreacted to your friends on the phone. Then asked a crazy question. Then your friends nervously laughed at the situation because they had no other recourse on how to exit the conversation. And then you laughed, too, because, as we already established, crazy.
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Quote:Where did I say anything about how much it would cost? I merely said he'll have to resub if he wants to post on the forums when he returns.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Wouldn't buying a box also give a month or forum rage at a much more competitive price?
But since you brought it up, buying a box is dependent on what editions he already has unlocked and what's available. He won't be able to stack copies of the same edition.