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Quote:It's called being penny wise dollar foolish. People assume they are saving money when in the long run they are spending more. Add to that the players that gotta have everything now and that's why these hybrid business models are profitable.Originally Posted by Nox__Fatalis
None of this even matters. The prices in the market are so stupid, this whole experiment is going to end in massive failure. The only people who are going to shell out for overpriced crap are the people who were going to pay 15 bucks a month anyways. Why pay 100 bucks on a game you will get tired of after 2 months when it would normally cost you 30 (only 15 if you use a friend code)?
Sorry, math problems guys, work em out or let the void take you.
God forbid they save money by paying for a sub and accumulating free points.
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Quote:This is the exact page where people plop their money down and it never says anything about the product you are buying.Originally Posted by Aquila_NA
If one of those isn't the page where people plopped their money down, then they add nothing except more fallacious non-proof.
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The solution seems simple. Just don't leave anything sitting in the market when you let your sub lapse and there won't be anything to worry about.
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Quote:Reward tokens aren't awarded the same way as the paragon points and there have been issues reported by people not getting the right amount and it's being looked into.Originally Posted by rsclark
But we are also not getting reward tokens, and for the launch we did not get any extras of those.
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Quote:The link was already provided alongside the other links in post #344. The same post also included a screen shot of the old Going Rogue FAQ where it lists the differences between the pre-purchase and the complete edition. The FAQ was also available prior top the launch of GR and doesn't make any mention of Incarnates.Originally Posted by Aquila_NA
Link?
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Quote:Awww.Originally Posted by Father Xmas
No, it was just to go back and include Forbin's quote so people would have some vague idea of context.
I like what my imaginations was coming up for why it was edited more than the reality.
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Quote:Avatea's Post that I linked dated Feb 18, 2010 - No mention of IncarnatesOriginally Posted by CactusBrawler
Can you get that to go back to 2010?
It only seems to do it for 7-feb-2011
City of Heroes News Archive dated March 02, 2010 - No mention of Incarnates
Ten Ton Hammer Advertisement dated March 03, 2010 - No mention of Incarnates
GameZone advertisement dated March 02, 2010 - No mention of Incarnates
Going Rogue Website announcing the sale of the Pre-Purchase - No date listed but was only available for sale prior to the launch of Going Rogue so it's from before Aug 17, 2010 - No mention of Incarnates -
Quote:Once again you admit you knew prior to GR being sold that the incarnate stuff wasn't a part of it.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
At pax Positron said that the first level of the incarnate system would be included with Going Rogue, it wasn't till 7-12-2010 that they said it had been removed, the expansion had been available to pre-purchase much longer than that.
I'm hunting to see if I can find any archived advertisments from before that announcement.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Just one more reason I dislike Richard Dawkins.Actually it's this partQuote:Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5
I think I missed something...
Quote:Last edited by Father Xmas; Today at 04:06 AM.
that has my over active imagination wondering what nasty thing Father Xmas said about Dawkins that he decided to go back and change.
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Quote:http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/news/n...ase_now_av.phpOriginally Posted by rian_frostdrake
i did pre purchase , march 2,2010 i was looking at my emails to see if i could find anything worthwhile., and i never saw that advertised, only discussed informally. if someone can bring up the store page, cool, but until then, he seems to be the only one who recalls seeing it specifically spelled out that incarnates were a part of gr. I await someone posting it.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...95&postcount=1
http://goingrogue.eu.cityofheroes.co...b/prepurchase/
http://www.gamezone.com/news/item/pa...rchase_program
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/81655
Here's what I could find, and I see no mentioned of anyone claiming Alpha slots or Incarnates being a part of the pre-purchase. -
Quote:Yes I did. I bought the Pre-Purchase (I have the 6th anniversary badges from May 2010 to prove that on my DS and DP characters) and I also bought the Gamestop Pre-Order for the unique Pre-Order Perks (5 Dmg IO enhancements that can be used from level 1-20 and are non transferable)Originally Posted by Aquila_NA
I didn't pre-purchase, so didn't read the contents of the store description for the pre-purchase. Did you? CactusBrawler says that he DID.
I also paid attention to the constant discussions/announcements from the devs before GR launched and was well aware that the Alpha Slot was pulled before GR was launched and had ample opportunity to cancel my pre-order if I so desired.
Cancelling the Pre-purchase wasn't an option because that only promised early access to DS and DP. -
Quote:Not really since the devs told us the only thing included in the pre-purchase was early access to Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols. They never said anything else was set in stone for the release of GR.Originally Posted by Aquila_NA
Well there ya go. Thank you. THIS gives the pre-purchase people something to work with.
They even pulled Ultra Mode from GR before it was launched and gave it to us for free early because it was ready.
Funny how they aren't complaining about getting ripped off over Ultra Mode being pulled because it was "advertised" as being a part of GR. -
Quote:Uhm Tech, you are aware that the game has stopped selling the boosters and split them up for individual sale on the new Paragon Market right?Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I really think it's time that it was removed from the Science Pack and made a general point of the Tailor. Given it's functionality it seems 'cheap' to lock it away like that. Maybe once upon a time, but now? Not so much.
They told us they were doing that back in July, and they stopped selling boosters in August.
The Super Tailor access is being sold on the new market by itself under Costumes/Tailor/Super Tailor Access for 800 points. -
I have my boxed edition I got from Gamestop and nothing on it mentions the Alpha Slot or Incarnates.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
At the risk of being overly negative, OP, if the original post was in the Suggestions section of the forum you were attacked because that area is a cesspool.
The only reason it's a cesspool is because the people that can't stand having the flaws in their ideas pointed out to them frequently and immediately go into a rage and resort to name calling and insults.
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Quote:You seem to be unable to grasp the concept that the devs aren't the Marketing Department and what they say isn't Marketing.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Personally I've never said None subscribers should get access to the entire of the Incarnate system, just the Alpha slot which was originally marketed as part of GR.
That they later delayed said slot doesn't matter, as they had already started selling GR with the information that the Alpha slot, the first level of incarnates would be included.
Maybe I just expect better from Paragon than them to announce "You keep everything you've bought" with a disclaimer 'except this, because we decided that you hadn't actually bought it, even though it was part of GR when we sold it you lol'
Perhaps I'm just a little worn out with Paragon Studios, since they seem to have lost whatever it was that made them a 'good' company.
Lack of communication, 'suck it down' subscriber approach to development, and of course a massive increase in the 'two tiers' of customer service (aka **** you EU), maybe my spectacles got switched to rose tinted ones but I remember them being better than this.
Furthermore there was no lack of communication on the devs part. You yourself acknowledged that the devs told us they had changed their minds and pulled the first incarnate level before GR launched. So you new it wasn't a part of the paid expansion.
This is nothing more than another example of how some players only pay attention to what they want and dismiss/ignore the rest, then complaining when it bites them in the butt.
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Quote:And none of mine have been unlocked yet at all. My trial and Premiums remain locked waiting for the devs to officially launch Freedom. (Yes I've tried logging in on them several times all weekend)Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
If they locked them, they didn't lock all. I just logged on to my Freem account (old long-since expired trial) without issue.
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We are supposed to get our Paragon Points each subsequent month on our individual billing date. It's my understanding that everyone already got this months allotment, regardless of the billing date, when the devs launched the Headstart so we won't be getting an additional 400/550 points this month. The next batch is due in October.
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They haven't officially launched the Premium and F2P accounts yet so they could have simply turned them off after checking to see if they worked.
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Quote:No one said that it couldn't be done. I said there are reasons the devs won't want to do it.Originally Posted by General_CoH
The technical problems aren't insurmountable, since they're not much different than going from VIP to Premium (they're a superset, but the basic solution is there).
I'll admit I'm not sure what you mean by social aspect. I'm talking about the differences that exist between accounts that don't have the same features unlocked on them, and how players are notorious for ignoring/misinterpreting things no matter hard the devs try to explain how things work.Quote:The social aspect is still probably the main issue.
If this were to be implemented, even if it was only allowed between accounts on the same Master Account, there would be a swarm of morons getting pissed off after they paid for a transfer and found out that they don't have access to all the cool stuff on the uber tricked out character they just moved because they have to pay to unlock those features on the second account first.
They'll blame NCSoft even tho they were the ones that assumed they could save money and put one over on the company by making the transfer.
Quote:However, I agree that this is a service that people would pay for. Yep.Quote:Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
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Quote:Rofl! You just admitted that the Incarnate stuff wasn't a part of Going Rogue because the devs changed their minds.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Second video link he posts, 6:40ish seconds in, going rogue comes with one incarnate level (alpha), with more to come in Issue 19.
That's straight from the dev's themselves, that they later changed their mind, doesn't matter people bought going rogue based on that presentation.
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Quote:Yeah but the point behind account binding items is to prevent them from being traded and sold, even between accounts under the same master account.Originally Posted by Lost Ninja
One master account two sub accounts... Well thats how I read the OP.
Either way, nope. :/
Would be nice if you could pass account bound stuff between accounts on one master account though.
And don't assume I like it. I just predicted something like this could happen many months ago in a thread that was speculating about what might happen if the game switched to a hybrid F2P business model.
Boy did I get flamed for suggesting they might make account bound IO's.
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Quote:Hell I've had the same high school crush on Lalla Ward for 30 years now.Originally Posted by SuperOz
Don't tease. I had a very young person crush both Romana's regenerations.
S.
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And just in case the OP was going wondering why the devs aren't going to consider adding this to the game, it's because there are too many things characters have access to that are account specific. Vet/Paragon rewards, power sets, archetypes, Going Rogue, badges, account locked IO's, costume pieces, enhancement trays, salvage slots, market slots, incarnate items, costume slots, etc.
It would also open a whole new area for RMT abuse where they sell a tricked out character to some schmuck that doesn't realize he won't be able to use any of the stuff on it because he never unlocked those items on his account. Of course he can't complain about getting ripped off because if he does his account will get banned. -
Of course if they buy any of those AT's Kitsune mentioned they will no longer be Free players. Their accounts will automatically be upgraded to Premium and they'll have access to all the things having a Premium account gets.