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It doesn't change the fact that the devs intended players to be able to form closed leagues because they deliberately included that feature as part of the queue system.

This isn't a case of players using an obscure work around whose unintended side effect is the ability to form a closed league. Closed leagues are working exactly as intended.

Thank you for correcting me, I was not aware of the extra token.

F2P accounts can't join SG's.

Premium accounts can't join SG's until they earn 2 reward tokens because SG access is a 2nd tier paragon reward.

Reward tokens can be acquired on Premium accounts by purchasing Paragon Points, So in order to get enough tokens to unlock SG access a player must spend $30 bucks because you get 1 reward token for every 1200 points purchased.

Hardly minimal/no cost.

No it doesn't.

Closed leagues eliminates the butt hurt players would feel when they found they were booted from off of leagues they weren't invited to join. Which was happening before the devs added closed leagues.

The devs made preforming necessary when they decided to make the spawning of AV's dependent upon the number of players in the league. I've watched players quit teams after the trial started when they saw the number of members wasn't enough to spawn the AV's.

Don't forget that some people sell their accounts to those companies as well when they decide to quit playing.

Especially when you consider that in China only God knows many of the "Gold Farmers" are actually prisoners in government run penitentiary's who are forced to due the RMT farming and power leveling services for 12 hours a day as part of their time in jail.

The truth hurts. Some people have an aversion to starting teams. There are consequences for that. One of which is waiting around in queue hoping someone else will start an open league and have a slot available for them.

I never said you did Raz which is why I didn't quote you. I was just making a general observation about the people that have been complaining about waiting in queue.

You forgot one.

They don't like PvP because it's PVP.

I agree with you that the current SG system is fine (outside not being able to invite alts). Especially when you consider that other games require players to have a certain number of people together just to form an SG/Fleet/Guild.

I only have two level 50's after almost 8 years of playing and neither one has finished unlocking their alpha slots. I just don't care about it enough to bother.

A lot of people don't have it for free. They are already being forced to spend money if they want access to bases.

Premium accounts are forced to invite complete strangers into their SG's who have to be VIP's in order to have access to base storage. Otherwise they will lose all access to their bases when the first rent becomes due because only VIP's can pay base rent.

F2P accounts can't even join SG's unless they spend money.

Not really. The devs could program it so when they want to beta test new content they can disable the 1 week auto delete.

They also have two types of test servers now days. The old test server could be used for testing the IO's and have an automatic timer that deletes characters after a week, while the Beta server could remain as it is for testing new content. They could also give Free and Prem accounts to just the old test server.

That way everybody wins.

Your right. I'm way off. For some unknown reason I divided 400 points by 5 and then multiplied by 10, instead of simply adding. I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing.

Thank you for correcting me.

Edit: correcting poor math skills

400 points costs $5 dollars. So 1000 points equals $12.50. So you're now suggesting the company give people a credit of $12.50 for every character they get to level 50?



Why spend a dime on the market when you can get unlimited points by power leveling. Yeah no one would ever try to abuse that idea.


Just give it up already. You aren't getting any additional reward just for reaching an easily attainable level cap.

Especially to Free and Premium accounts. That would be colossally stupid idea of epic proportions. Why would anyone ever pay for a subscription if they could get free time from power leveling characters.

A whole knew industry would spring up over night as players (and RMTers) would run organized PL'ing so they could earn a years free time (or more) in a week.

No you have to be a VIP to get access to the Incarnate content.

1. The devs admitted that it was a stupid idea to require players to get a character up to 50 to unlock the Epic AT'S and they dropped the level requirement drastically.

2. Getting to level 50 isn't an accomplishment. It's ridiculously easy to reach with very little effort.

You guys do remember that when Rocket Board was released the devs asked us for a list of alternatives we'd like to see.

Pretty much.

And screw everyone that doesn't want to invite Max-1 people Mr Grinch? How festive of you. Love your holiday spirit.


The only real problem with the new Holiday Trial is that it should never have been turned into a trial in the first place. It was working fine the original way it was designed.