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Tho i still don't quite understand why MMOs need a sequel to my mind it seems a bit like a throw back to stand alone games.

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I agree with you there, MMO's don't need sequels as they just evolve "naturally". Which is why, IMO, Massively are wrong. There isn't going to be a sequel as such, there's going to be a paid for expansion pack with shedloads of new features.

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People are getting so lazy in this game. What's the matter? Can't spend 2 minutes travelling to the PvP zone? You'd HATE WoW!

/unsigned. Get off your lazy bums and walk!

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WoW lets you join PvP zones by talking to some dude, he's all "yeah that's chill wait here I'll teleport you" and then BAM, soon as there's an opening, you're in.

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And how do you GET to that dude, hmmm?

People are getting so lazy in this game. What's the matter? Can't spend 2 minutes travelling to the PvP zone? You'd HATE WoW!

/unsigned. Get off your lazy bums and walk!

Yeah, I know it is... What I don't know though, is whether you could transfer your chars to l2...

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COH 2 would be good. Would we be able to transfer characters from COH/V?

Trouble is, keeping old characters is one advantage COH 2 has over DCUO or CO, but it could do a lot of damage to a new system.

(I couldn't sleep, and it seems like a question that is relevant to the original topic.)

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I'll answer this question with a question...

When NC released Lineage 2, did they allow character transfer from Lineage 1? The answer to that might provide a clue to the answer to the same question in a possible CoH2.

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All I ever wanted for this game was to go up. And all it's ever done is go down. I want it to do the right things so we all benefit from a better game.
And that's why I criticize. Or make suggestions.

Heck, whats wrong with it having 200,000 subs and the developers having 3 times the money to spend to make it even better anyway?

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. I don't think ANY of us here can argue that having more subs isn't a good thing... What tends to annoy people is the manner in which you go about telling us your ideas. You carp on about the NC marketing people being idiots and that unless they do exactly what you say, the game is going to die... Well, I'm sorry, but THEY are the experts when it comes to marketing an MMO, not you. You might be good in your particular part of the marketing world, but that doesn't mean you know what's needed in the MMO world, nor do you know what they have planned for the game.

By all means, offer ideas as to ways NC can promote the game, we ALL like ideas and they're good for the game. But please, don't offer them as the absolute be all and end all of what NC *must* do, as you don't know what's needed anymore than the rest of us, in the MMO market.

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Even the best of us can find it difficult to resist taking potshots at sitting ducks.

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Aww shucks!

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Can you please confirm that you dont think I was insulted by Raven, tainted Geek and yourself, to name but three? Did you not tell me to go away? Was that your definition of debate? I "hissy fit" low level forumers. My definition of low level? People who are insulting or rude to others without being directly insulted first.


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Okay, let's dance.

Ravenswing put in his post, the following. I'll add comments inline in bold for you.

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I need to know or understand why you choose to repeat this diabolical pile of dingoes kidneys at every possible opportunity, but most of all, I need to know why you chose a quote which has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of your rant to hang it off.
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A request for an explanation as to why you went off in a rant from a comment of his that has nothing at all to do with your post, and a personal opinion as to the content of your post. No insult here.
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I actually feel insulted that you should quote me and then go off one one like that. You've demonstrated time and again that you don't know what you're talking about. Please stop.
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An affirmation that HE in fact, feels insulted at your post, and for using his as a springboard for it, followed by a personal opinion that you don't know what you're talking about, followed by a polite request to stop. No insult here either.
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And please don't use me as a springboard for your rants unless you're quoting something I've said which is actually related.
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A request to stop using him as a springboard for your rants unless you quote something actually relevant. Basic forum etiquette. No insult here either.


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Now let's look at your reply to him...

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Feel good again.

I have never ever even noticed you. I just happened to reply to the nearest post. You have never said anything that caught my eye.

Now you are on my radar I'll be sure to give you a miss, particularily as you never sem to say anything that i deem worth replying to.


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A nice big fat personal insult there in the form of belittling him. Nice.

Okay, now for TG's reply.

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I would like to know where you got your degree in marketing because that is one steaming hot pile for dogpoo right there.
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A somewhat flippant request for you to prove you know what you're talking about, and a personal opinion of what he thinks of your remarks. I suppose that could be seen as an attack on your viewpoint, but it's hardly an insult...
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Stop posting marketing/managerial related comments because majority of them fails hardcore,they are not backed up by any textbook (because strategic management/marketing changes from industry to industry and text books dont apply to everything really ESPECIALLY in fast paced markets with high indicators of fluidity,amongst other reasons) and just enhances the general consensus that you are dumb.
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Most of it is a request for you to stop posting things you don't appear to be fully competant in. Okay, at the end there's an insult, I'll grant you that.
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Not really.The world knows the usual "hype" bla bla and not what actually goes on in game which is quite usual for creating product awareness for an upcoming product as well as reassure investors and banks that actually keep track of their investments/funds.There is only an actual listing of the features but there is no actual awareness how the features actually work.

So please try post about something else cause marketing/management wise you fail as usual.
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Again, no personal insults in there.
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I am not a fanboy of the way development of some aspects of the game but you my friend are plain ignorant and make an easy target for everyone else.

Thats all.
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Okay, there's another insult in there.


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My turn!

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It's a contradiction because not only did you reply to Ravenswing, you actually took the time to QUOTE him as well. Ergo, you had already read his post and carefully selected an unrelated remark to spring your usual pile of codswallop off of.

Do everyone on here a favour, Lions, and go away. You're not a videogame marketing expert, you're not even a programmer. Pretty much no one here accepts what you're saying, mainly because you don't know what you're on about.

Come back after you've worked in marketing for the videogame industry, and more specifically, the MMO industry, and THEN we might give your words some credence. Until then, you know no more about it than anyone else here.


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Actually... Nah, can't be bothered to analyse my reply as there's no need. I didn't insult you, I said your opinion was codswallop (no personal insult there, just the truth), and told you to go away. Telling someone to go away isn't an insult, Lions. It's a somewhat perfunctory instruction yes, but it's not an insult.

So, looking back. Of the three people you claim have insulted you, only one of them actually did, and only in a fairly minor way... Okay, it was still an insult, and TG, you're a naughty boy and no doubt GR will tell you off. I'm sure he'll be telling ME off too, but not for anything I've said in THIS thread, I have a clear conscience there.

I think you have issues to interpreting what people are saying Lions. I think you might also have a bit of a persecution issue too; but to be fair, the way you talk to people BEGS them to persecute you. Try lightening up and learning to use English in a matter that doesn't condescend to people.

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Dont try throwing stones at me cause you got plenty of glass in the way.

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Sorry, can't see any glass in MY way... Not in THIS particular thread anyway. Try again.

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That is not what I meant and I never said it either. I talk high level stuff (rightly or wrongly) and there is always a twerp (like that guy who originally knocked me) who cannot begin to comprehend what I'm saying, even if its wrong, There are the bandwagon merchants who jump on board.
That occurs when you have a cross section like this.
And is why, given that I talk from the hip, I can never really communicate here.

I was not insulting anyone. Except those lower denominator types that fall into those catagories.
I guess I was insulting them.

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I was not insulting anyone.


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and there is always a twerp (like that guy who originally knocked me)


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Except those lower denominator types that fall into those catagories.
I guess I was insulting them.


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I was not insulting anyone.


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Irony, how I love thee...

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Ok. you'll be pleased to know Im done. I keep forgetting I am talking to a forum that is completely across the board from age, to career or school, to mentality.


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So instead of maybe listening to other people, or trying to find an other way to explain your points you go and insult all forum members as not understanding you?

And that is even the forum members who never ever replied to a one of your posts?

Who on earth do you think you are?

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This is what Lions does. He throws "facts" around in his arrogant fashion, gets more aggressive as people disagree with him, and then storms out of the conversation in a hissy fit, firing a broadside at the entire community in the process.

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I believe he does work in marketing.

But I know a few people who work in in education who don't understand the first thing about it, but believe they are great experts... (you have probably been in a few of thier classes)

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Ah, but does he work in marketing for the videogame industry? I don't think he does, and the techniques used in whatever industry he DOES do marketing for aren't going to work the same for the videogame industry. It's way too fluid.

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I'm sure a competant person who worked in marketing would realise that...

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LOL! Thanks Praf... Now I have to wipe coffee off my monitor!

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I believe he does work in marketing.

But I know a few people who work in in education who don't understand the first thing about it, but believe they are great experts... (you have probably been in a few of thier classes)

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Ah, but does he work in marketing for the videogame industry? I don't think he does, and the techniques used in whatever industry he DOES do marketing for aren't going to work the same for the videogame industry. It's way too fluid.

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Does the gaming industry know something we don't?


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Of course the gaming industry knows something we don't, it's their JOBS to know something we don't! More importantly though, Rockjaw knows a LOT more than we do about what's in store for CoH. At least up to when NC very kindly fired him and a bunch of others.

2009 is going to have some interesting news for us.

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a big thanks to all i have teamed with i hope to be back some time in the future i will miss you all

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Sooo sorry to see you go mate! Stay in touch though! You can add me on msn anytime on floating_fat_man at hotmail dot com.

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Not possible if everyone has individual PvP flags. And you can prevent "flag abuse" with people toggling the flag on and off by giving it a cooldown period. You toggle it, it takes say, 30 seconds to actually toggle, and you can't retoggle for say... 15 minutes? That will put paid to people hiding behind their flag.

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Now, this is just my irrefutable, divinely inspired and unassailable opinion, but I personally prefer the more relaxed milieu given by dedicated PvE zones, and wouldn't want to see a flag-based PvP system introduced.

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Which is perfectly fine. As I said initially, several people have said in the past that they wouldn't like such a system. I merely advance it as a possibly more feasible approach to making PvP more accessible.

Personally, I'd generally keep any such flag disabled, but there HAVE been occasions in the past where I've sorely wished I could pound the snot out of some idiot who insists on annoying me.

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Thematically, open PvP suits quite well, actually.

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Not possible if everyone has individual PvP flags. And you can prevent "flag abuse" with people toggling the flag on and off by giving it a cooldown period. You toggle it, it takes say, 30 seconds to actually toggle, and you can't retoggle for say... 15 minutes? That will put paid to people hiding behind their flag.

*Roll's a new toon and calls it Q*

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1. you are required to be lvl 50, so you can say that PVP is a part of the game you need to play PVE for over a year only to have a chance.


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Umm, whut? Since when do you need to be level 50 before you can PvP? You can access the arena from level 1, and zonal from what, 15? Hardly level 50...

It also doesn't take a year, even for someone new to the game. Hell, I didn't exactly rush on my first 50, and managed it in 5 months, on i3 code... In that time, LOADS of people got their 50's, and the first level 50 in the UK was done in 2 weeks.

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A recent example that springs to mind was the attack on Unity Tower as part of the Unity Vigil plotlines. Various comments were made to the effect that little melee characters were really quite shown up when some of the members were more or less single-handedly taking on a Kronos Titan.

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I should point out there that the only one who DID do that, Burned Ice, ran with her tail between her legs, being unable to even make it skid... If she'd not bailed, she'd likely have been seriously hurt... Her attacking it was sheer stupidity, and BOY did she get a telling off for it!

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I've said in the past, though it met with opposition from some people. PvP needs to be open, in any zone, with a player controlled flag. No challenges to duels like WoW... Just open PvP that anyone can take part in IF they flag themselves, and anyone unflagged can't be attached or attack in return.

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100% agree.

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Solves the problem of godmodders in RP too... Assuming you can persuade them to flag for PvP, that is.

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IF it had been designed with PvP from the start, this issue wouldn't exist.

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It is totally 100% the case. the game was built with Arena and the PvP that goes into the arena, in mind.


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No it's not. If it were the case, arena's would have existed at launch instead of not arriving until issue 4, with a half arsed story explanation that barely makes sense within the game world.

I've said in the past, though it met with opposition from some people. PvP needs to be open, in any zone, with a player controlled flag. No challenges to duels like WoW... Just open PvP that anyone can take part in IF they flag themselves, and anyone unflagged can't be attached or attack in return.

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one thing ppl has to consider, COX was original made for PVE-only, so it's not such a wonder that PVP doesn't work out the way it is now.

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I stated in an earlier post that was not the case.

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Not strictly the case, it was designed with the intent to add PvP in time, but that didn't alter the core game and all the AT's being designed primarily for PvE play. Such is blatantly obvious in the difficulties experienced with balancing the game for PvP.

IF it had been designed with PvP from the start, this issue wouldn't exist.

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My -personal- view on the D thing is each person is in their own 'bubble' and if a violent or act that could cause bodily harm outside of the arena would simply go around/right through, that's how I view it.

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Something like that. I've seen various and some quite good takes on it, with swords and shots passing right through people. Other people simly counter the measures used on them, which is perfectly fair and reasonable to avoid getting 'killed' Imo.

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Given that BaB is known to have gotten "carried away" with some patrons on PD before, hence the chalk outlines and what the barman says, I've always presumed it's the use of offensive powers that are somehow, lets say magically, prevented from hurting people, but physical violence clearly CAN happen at some level.