FloatingFatMan
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Quote:For those that don't read your open rp thread as they have no interest in it and don't want to be involved in it, and I don't, it was presented as a fait accompli.Originally Posted by Pious
Wrong.
CB, thanks for the forum RP, it was fun. Good luck with these lot, seems you'll need it. I'm off to play some games. -
Quote:Star Wars doesn't affect my RPing; your incident, does.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I really hope you write angry letters to the producers of films.
"George Lucas with your destruction of Alderaan in Star Wars: A New Hope you've gone too far, etc, etc" -
Quote:The world didn't watch. It was presented as a happened and finished incident in a single very short post.Originally Posted by Pious
Then so be it. CB says he wrote this plot prepared for such consequences.
Both the NH and the Court helped STOP to child-killing robot by the way, while the world watched. So I don't see the Court being in trouble, praised maybe.
The world didn't get a chance to react in any way at all. -
Quote:Even in fiction, some things go too far.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Because its fiction.
There are a lot worse things in real life to get worked up about.
Do what you like, but I suspect pretty much everyone else here is going to retcon your event out of existence, and possibly your characters, too. -
Quote:Plenty of people are annoyed, actually. You obviously haven't actually read the thread or you'd have noticed that.Originally Posted by A_Random_Thing
So, by the looks of it, I can only see that FFM (mainly) is annoyed because he can't ignore it all. Whereas I've seen him ignore, as Shadowe said supposedly unignorable events, Rikti invasions, which by his claims he should always be rushing off to. (Not saying I've not done the same)
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Quote:You clearly don't have an issue with the fictionalised murder of 2000/1000 children. That alone tells me your judgement isn't an appropriate guide for what is going too far.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
And how does that work exactly, by whose standards? I in real life hate crime, corruption and quite a few other things. So do I go by my standards, which would even punish for Power Ranger* style crimes, some one more tolerant? A character? Whose character?
*"Oh no a giant monster is attacking!"
"Luckily it headed straight for the abandoned warehouse and dock district!" -
Quote:It doesn't matter anyway. Real world fact, The US goes after terrorists, even if that means invading a nation state.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Technically he didn't 'take' over.
So he's still a legit head of state, if they knew the whole previous president killed so Recluse could take over it'd be a different matter.... but it's still accounted to an unknown assassin right? <Oroborous music plays>
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Quote:I have a feeling that, whilst Recluse wouldn't like that many heroes descending on the Isles, he either wouldn't have the resources to stop so many that aren't even targetting him, or would join the hunt and erase a menace.Originally Posted by A_Random_Thing
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait, so you're suggesting let Heroes start a war with Arachnos? Forgive me if I'm wrong but Arachnos own the Isles and it's a Country.
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Quote:When CB first posted the article, it was 2000 kids.Originally Posted by Shadowe
Agreed with /retcon.
Or tone it down. A lot. Blow up one classroom, but let the kids be in the playground. Kill a couple. We all know that people die in comic-books (or not...), but an atrocity on this scale would be responded to in a big way.
I've been avoiding saying what my characters' responses would be, because I know full well that it would just turn into a pointless e-peen-waving contest, and frankly, I RP to have fun, not to get frustrated at other people.
I PM'd him and told him, nice and politely, that it was going way to far. I suggested toning it down to at the MOST, a dozen dead. That kind of thing is STILL a horrific event, but the much smaller scale makes it far more feasible to keep running as a plot.
The alternative is retcon, or extermination, really... -
Quote:Ah, but there would BE no incarceration for Tomb. There would be an extermination for Tomb, and likely the entirety of the Court AND all Hunters involved, too.Originally Posted by Pious
the incarceration of Tomb, then either one, so be it, or two, retcon the scale.
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Quote:And because Marvel do stupid things like that, it's OK for us to do similar?Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
It was actually done by Marvel once I believe, can't remember his name but the Fantastic Four have a villain who is a Russian/Communist scientist whose special power is... he can control monkeys.
Usually attacks them with his squad of super powered monkeys, think his baboon is psychic and he has a tanker one as well.
Marvel don't have a shared universe with thousands of people having their input. They've got their OWN universe that they have total control over, and have screwed it over so much in recent years that their readership is nothing like it was back in the 80's.
I'll say it again. We're in a shared world. You consider other people, or you end up ostracised. -
Quote:I'm in shock that he agrees with me...Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I...I think I may treasure this moment.
*Hangs up the Moment in a little laminated frame, with a sticker saying 'Omy approved'*
hehehe
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Quote:Actually, CB, the problem is that we're RPing in a SHARED world. This means you either consider other players and the wider consequences of your plots, or you WILL regret it.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
The problem is, we are playing a game of Super Heroes and Super Villains, a setting in which some one could quite conceivably steal the moon, or turn all the buildings in the city into monkeys that they control.
If you're saying people aren't allowed to do that, well you take the Super away from the Super Villain, reducing them to the level of costumed bank robbers, actually lower than that because Weather Wizards, weather control would be too much since it'd be affecting the climate.
As for why your character doesn't react IC when OOC you don't want to?
Well that's mainly your problem, though you could always ask why Su8perman's not in every DC comic, and go with that.
And no, that's NOT a threat, it's merely me informing you of what I know will inevitably end up as a total poostorm. How do I know that? Because I've been there.
Considering the reaction such an event as this would kick off, I ask you. Are you prepared for the permanent death of any of your characters involved in this? Because you can rest assured, you WOULD be facing the combined might of virtually every single hero and armed forces in the US.
Don't believe me? Look at the real world reaction to 9/11. -
I know I used CB's plot as an example, as it was his newspaper post that got me thinking about this, BUT I'd like this thread to try to stay generic if it's at all possible. CB's plot can and will be dealt with ICly as appropriate. What I'm wanting to discuss is more the generic wide-plot scope, and where we should draw the line.
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I quite agree that trying to apply any kind of limit will never work, and we shouldn't try. The point of this thread isn't to try to impose limits on people's fun.
However, what I think people should do is, when they have an idea for a plot, take a long, careful look at it. If it's something that has wide reaching consequences, such as something like mass killings, then consider making OOC posts about it first to guage interest. If the wider community doesn't seem interested, by all means still run it if you want, but consider other avenues of running it rather than the shared world. Possibly an alternate dimension begging for help, or just keep it to private channels. Try not to bother people who don't want to be bothered, and you avoid friction. At the end of the day, it's all just about having fun, after all.
Hell, many people decided that the Requiem War plot happened in another reality so as not to be bothered by it; and indeed, most of it happened on the forums so it could easily have done so... -
Quote:And IIRC, several of those plots also involved a LOT of OOC conflict, with the Requiem War one being especially unpleasant for me as it resulted in losing friendships (which I have now, thankfully, now rebuilt after a few years). It also caused me to depart in-game RP for almost a year.Originally Posted by Pious
However, like Temporis's Requiem War, Britanic's Supremacy Plot, My Rogue Wars 1 & 2, Alpha's Arachnos Invasion, Mechano's Chronodyne Incident, Ammon's Heroes for People, Big Lunk's Council of War, Big Game/Bathory's Open Season and as mentioned above, Cactus Brawler's Saint John Terror Attack (Now revealed to us OOC to have been orchestrated by Tomb to violently spur the heroes into taking extreme action against the rising number of demonkind).
Which is kind of my point. World affecting plots will, inevitably, cause some conflict SOMEwhere along the line, so IMO, I think they should be best avoided. Any of the above you mention COULD have been done in a way that wasn't world changing, with possibly the exception being the Requiem War as that centered around the destruction of all reality. I'd have been happier if THAT one had never happened, considering the position I ended up in.
IIRC, you too have been on the receiving end of problems caused by world affecting plots, Pious; so you likely know the grief it can cause. -
Quote:Whilst many of the characters at GG are mainly there for social RP, many of them ARE also the type of hero who deals with very high profile events as well, so something like this school incident is very difficult to justify ignoring ICly.Originally Posted by Rock_Powerfist
Yes such numbers of dead would be a major event, but if your not the sort of hero that deals with major events its just a news story. It may be a 9/11 proportions event, but 9/11 had little effect on the day to day work of the police in , say , Idaho, and to be honest GG is as far away as Idaho as it is from most other RP events on Union server.
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Some recent fiction/plottage has me thinking lately about how we RP and run plots, and how they may relate to the larger game world. Specifically, the SIZE of such roleplay and plots. The question I'm mainly wondering is, when does a plot become too big?
For example, currently a member of the Unity Vigil, a Union based RP supergroup, has gone missing. This is taking up the time of quite a few members and non-members time as said individual is a popular member of the Union based Galaxy Girl meets and people want her back. However, it's primarily a purely personal RP plot on the part of the character's owner and doesn't have any impact on the wider game world at all.
That's means that it's pretty easy to ignore the plot if you're not interested, and everyone is happy.
On the other hand, there have been, and will again be, plots which have much futher reaching consequences, possibly beyond those thought of by the plot originator, and these are much harder to ignore. So I have to wonder, how big is so big that really, we shouldn't do it?
Take another currently starting plot as an example. A staggering number of children at a school (was 2000, now 1000) have just been killed by a giant robot attack, according to a short piece in the newspaper thread. Whilst I have no wish to step on the toes of this plot's owner, such a huge number of deaths, especially of children, would be of 9/11 proportions if it were real, and would be a massive national tragedy. It would headline every single newspaper for weeks, every single news program would be full of it, the US president would likely visit the scene, and all in all, it would be an event of global scale as international news would also pick it up.
This, IMO, means that such an incident CANNOT be ignored by our characters and still manage to retain ICness. Therefore we either get dragged in to something we don't want to be involved in, may personally find hugely distasteful, and affect everyone's RP; or we must break character whenever it's mentioned, and totally ignore it. Easy for small plots, not so easy for such huge events.
My personal feeling is that RP plots, whilst they may be important to the people involved (and everyone wants their plots to be important), should be kept to a scale that don't affect the wider game world; or if such large scale is needed by the plot, either first run an OOC thread to guage interest, or run it privately. This way, arguments are avoided and everyone is happy. -
I think it's reasonable to assume that, by now, a missing persons alert has been raised throughout the UV and NV for Annette, and possibly a wider scale one with the PPD. Ellie would have taken a sample of the blood she found to Zori for analysis, but she's certain its Annette's.
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Quote:Stupid != crazy.Originally Posted by Rock_Powerfist
Ok, having just completed the Power Loyalist arc of missions, and without droping any spoliers, if you want a picture of the state of the Praet goverment do this path. it also gives you a clear idea of Cole's current state of mind.
..and to be honest i think it makes FFM's above staement redundant. -
If it gets too much worse, I'll add X-Factor to the playlist!
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Quote:Indeed!Originally Posted by Zortel
... :O
You evil wordsmith, you. D:
Good, but evil.
Ellie will not be pleased!
EDIT: I vote we chain Birdy up and make him watch Eastenders until he gives us Annette back! -
Quote:I think it pretty unlikely that Cole would be worrying about Primal Earth if he hadn't conquered all of Praetorian Earth. He'd be busy working on crushing the last of the opposition before taking on another front.Originally Posted by Kyzock
What if, secretly, Richter survived Cole's murderous intent...and escaped into the depths of Europe or Asia...we could be faced with a split Praetorian Earth: A western and eastern empire...
Fighting 2 wars is stupid, and Cole isn't stupid. -
Quote:Yeah, there are other settlements, but from my reading, they were restarted AFTER the Hamidon Wars, with settlers from Praetoria City. Cole's utopia is the largest city left.Originally Posted by synthozoic
I agree that humanity has been scaled back to the low tens of millions but the impression I get from the bios and history on the GR site is that there are other regions elsewhere in the world that were restored and brought under control. Cole's empire is global even if all the game action takes place in imperial capital, Nova Praetoria. -
Short of the devs giving us more info, my personal feeling is that the entire world population of Praetoria is down to a few dozen million at the very most.
Praetoria city just isn't that big as cities go, and it's the largest city left.