FloatingFatMan

[ QUOTE ]
As soon as you drift from the CoH character frame, you should find a way to let other players know about your concept. That's all.

[/ QUOTE ]

And that, as I already explained, WAS the problem. I couldn't really care less if the AT a person is playing matches ICly with what they're portraying; but if they fail to communicate that to other players, then people WILL make the assumption that the character is what the AT indicates. With no other clues to go on, it's the only assumption anyone could really make.

As for canon; ignore it as you will, but that will just cause even more issues in the long run, as lots of others won't ignore it. So when you break it, you'll eventually end up with IC conflict.

[ QUOTE ]
Actually, when you get to level 50 you just have a chance to create a Kheldian, there's nothing implied about your level 50 character becoming one.

[/ QUOTE ]

In fact, there's canon to indicate that they DON'T bond with super-powered beings.

And IMO, it's reasonable to presume that 1 kheldian will recognize another member of their species, given that they're an energy being; and Ellie's senses ARE given in her bio. The character in question had nothing in their bio, so nothing to indicate what they were playing.

Anyway, the point has become somewhat moot now, as the next night, the same character was a vampire...

[ QUOTE ]
I haven't read the topic fully, just wanted to point out, with my first post back that:

You're doing it wrong! "Canon, Fudge & Doing it You Are Way"

Much love and lulz. ^_^

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah yeah, I know... I noticed it not long after the edit time expired..

[ QUOTE ]
i have sent you a PM but wil be onlt to happy to say it here.


[/ QUOTE ]

Taken this to PMs, sorry everybody.

[ QUOTE ]
Your IC and OOC events were annoying and petty..


[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]

I was under a huge amount of RL stress at the time as my mum had not long passed away


[/ QUOTE ]

... Words fail me....

[ QUOTE ]
I'd like to nominate Ghostspy for the wonderful custom signatures he's created for his Militia allies!

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7...refinalyl8.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3...gnatureop9.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l5...wicz/SIGGY.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

You need to post a link to the thread in the Creative forums for the entry to be illegible.

[ QUOTE ]
FFM my old friend..
A good question and good topic. A well thought out post, tho Ironic that its you who has brought this up don't you think?


[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I never said I was perfect. Much has changed in the last year or two.

[ QUOTE ]

as an example of what I mean.. I have this, its a real event that happened Shadow Ghost,FFM I hope you don't mind me using this.. there is no malice in my words and I think it sums up what im trying to say


[/ QUOTE ]

Don't worry. All water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.

[ QUOTE ]

The problem we had was when Ghost and FFM joined the Cirque I as a guild leader should of spoken to them about this OOC and informed them of the story we had going.. I failed to do this and in turn it lead to Ghost playing Canon and saying some thing like "ive looked into it and your wrong.. here is the proof" BOOM before you can say send in the clowns canon has mixed with fudge and its all very sticky.


[/ QUOTE ]

Sticky is a bit of an understatement...

TBH, the whole affair was both unfortunate, and mismanaged on both sides, I feel... I was under a huge amount of RL stress at the time as my mum had not long passed away, and I probably should have stepped away from RP, but the game was kinda keeping me going at the time.

Not that I'm trying to use that as an excuse, of course. A lot of things were going on OOCly as well as ICly at the time, and I think the unfortunate part is that the line between the two blurred. Ghost and I were doing our best to be true to our chars; just as you were doing the same, and the two just didn't mix. It is a good example though, of how badly things can go wrong when people don't communicate properly, and keep OOC and IC seperate.

Ergo this thread.

I don't want to wreck the other players RP. I don't want to screw up how they see their character; but I also don't want mine screwed up either. I thought that if we discussed things like this in an open forum, people would take note that it's important people know the correct way to react to your characters, and how best to make it easier on others to reduce confusion.

[ QUOTE ]
What seems slightly confusing to me is that the char was level 50, RPing a Nictus when he/she could of made one, and have things far less confusing for everyone.

But of course, RP is all about imagination, noone has a floating name above their head, or a little badge saying their a 'Scrapper' if this character was actually a Kheldian (Asin AT) it makes it far easier to imagine, thus giving greater immersion.


[/ QUOTE ]

Therein lay the problem.. My character is a Peacebringer and has the senses so she "knew" she wasn't talking to a Nictus... Until I had to send a tell to the player.

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
In some ways, superheroes should not have existed before 1940 (when the Well of the Furies) was opened,

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought it was opened a few years after the First World War, seeing as 2 people went looking for it to help cure one of their issues with some mustard gas. Also, natural and magic heroes would have still existed, as well as a few rare science/tech ones and maybe 1 in a billion mutants. The release of the Well of the Furies energy only accelerated things and made more heroes come into the world, I thought.

[/ QUOTE ]

Marcus Cole vanished in 1918 as he went off to explore the world. He returned in 1931 with superpowers. According to the game history on the US website anyway. The only reference to superpowers BEFORE them is the Greek heroes of ancient history.

Posting for ShadowGhost, who's having technical difficulties atm.

************************

I've turned out to be a fan of multiple avatars for the same character. Like Grav Mistress having 2 controllers and a Peacebringer.
I've put in the Bio of the controllers info that she's a PB. It's been taken in character that the use of magic deminishes the detectibility of the Kheldian, at least in Grav's case.

I don't always put things in the Bio, I often forget... oops!
And usually, in the case of extra perceptions, I tend to put "those with flange senses /tell me".
I suppose I could put in there what could be known, but.. I've seen too often that people use that as IC knowledge even if it's not plausible to know it.

As for cannon... I think I know about 70% of the cannon the game has? Mostly the background stuff is missing, not finding it that interesting.
Cannon is the first basis, combined with common sense (at least, what I find common and logical).
Though it's mostly a basis. I try to 'roll with' what's happening, if it bends cannon a bit, that's fine, I'll fudge over it to keep it fun. If it chops cannon up in little blocks and throws it away, I'll either try to point that out (through tells and following discussion), or ignore it altogether.

Um, rambled enough, I think

ShadowGhost

************************

[ QUOTE ]
Anyway, I’m rambling now so I’ll shut up.

[/ QUOTE ]

That didn't stop me!

I think it's the kind of topic where only rambling can make a lot of sense really... Without it degenerating into putting people down anyway, which is the last thing I want here.

[ QUOTE ]
perhaps they had yet to reach 50, and wanted a placeholder for their concept. a dark defender would of fitted better perhaps, but a dark/dark scrapper would do for the time being.


[/ QUOTE ]

The character in question WAS a level 50 though.

Hey all, I wish to raise an issue that *may* potentially offend someone; but this is not my intent. I want to try to garner other peoples opinions of RP and the understanding of canon. This may get somewhat rambly...

Now, lets start! Game canon; it can be an annoying thing and a good thing. It restricts you to certain limitations and can make it hard to do certain things; but it also gives you structure and a basic understanding which EVERYONE has. If you follow it, you might not be able to do some things you want, but other people will have a far better chance of following plots and things, at least a basic structure is laid down by the rules. If you don't follow it; the most common result is that one or more people aren't going to "click" with what you're wanting to do, and confusion will reign.

Of course, canon also has holes. Areas where some things are either poorly defined; or not defined at all. This is where 'fudge' comes in. That wonderfully sticky confection that allows us to fill the cracks as we see fit and express our imagination, providing we remember to explain it to others!

The problem is, what to do when the fudge flows over the canon; obscuring it and making things harder to follow? What do you do then?

Something happened at GG the other night which involved me and a couple of others. I'd not been at the statue much for some time, but I've felt like attending recently, so have been. I met someone 'new' there, new to my character that is... They chatted for a bit and all was well until she found out what my character was; a Peacebringer. Then she ran off, obviously scared.

Now, I want to stress that this is NO problem... A perfectly reasonable reaction in some cases and it promised to be interesting! I pursued to try to alleviate fears etc; as did some others. What followed though, was... very confusing for me. I think it confused at least one of the others as well.

Basically, the confusion was around the other character, and their claims of being one archetype when their avatar was a totally different one. Now, I'm NOT saying what the other person was doing was wrong by any means whatsoever; but surely, if you want to make claims of being a Nictus; then doing so on a character that's a scrapper AT is only going to cause confusion, and it did.

Being limited as we are, to people's BIO's and their visible AT; suddenly being confronted by someone claiming to be something my char could clearly see they were not caused so much confusion in the RP that followed that I was tempted to just walk away, and eventually did. My char couldn't see a Nictus, their char insisted they were. Eventually I spoke to the player via tells to try to clarify things; but by then the damage was done and I pulled my char out of there. A situation that promised to be fun ended up a bit of a damp squib; all due to the confusion of the ATs.

Now, I most certainly understand the desire to play your favourite character, especially after getting them to level 50; but for RP purposes, it helps everyone if you can try to RP as something your character can at least emulate as close as possible. Playing a Nictus with a scrapper is just... it doesn't work. You don't have the powers needed to pull it off; and strangers won't see you as you want them to without much OOC explaining first. Far better, IMO, to roll an alt of your character, using a more appropriate AT (in this case, a Warshade), and use the character BIO to explain differences. It makes things much easier for other players, especially when unfamiliar with the character.

It's also a good idea to know the canon behind the AT you're trying to play; to avoid contradictions. If one person is following canon as much as possible, and another isn't due to either not knowing it, or not caring; nobody is going to have fun. With Kheldians, there are plenty of cracks you can fill in with fudge; but there are also known hard facts which, if you're going to break, you NEED to communicate to other people involved, or you just get a mess.

Of course, from all this flows something else too. Consistency. Once you've chosen a particular way to react to a person or a situation; it's important to be consistent with that course of action, or even MORE confusion will follow. Last night the other character spoke with mine again, as if the events the previous night hadn't happened. I was somewhat nonplussed by that, understandably so. So much so, that I reacted inconsistently too. I wasn't sure if the player was wanting to forget the previous night (retcon), or not... And as I was busy talking to an old friend, I didn't spare the time to check with them. Yes, that's my fault; but I was thrown off by the inconsistent reaction.

Hmm... This is coming out more rambling than I hoped; so I hope you guys get what I'm driving at.

Also, I'm REALLY hoping the other player involved doesn't take any offence; as none is intended. What I want to try to do here, is gain an understanding of how other people feel about situations like this. Do you think it more appropriate to use the best AT for the job? Do you think it's important to stick to canon, or do you think anarchy should rule?

(( Warlock! Whooo!!! Welcome back dude!! ))

TBH, I think your version of the historical Blood Countess is sufficiently different to be classed as a homage character anyway, not a copy. Afterall, the real Countess Bathory didn't actually bathe in blood.

[ QUOTE ]
and i do remeber way back.. There were two toons at the GG very very closely based on Batman. They got on Very well and the roleplay was good between them froma by standers point of veiw.

Because nether said I am batman! and slight twists on there back story. it worked well

[/ QUOTE ]

Ah yes, Nevermore and.. um.. I forget the other one's name. I think they worked because neither claimed to BE Batman, they were just tributes to him. Tribute characters are great and rarely cause such problems, unless someone's being a jerk.

[ QUOTE ]
Nice idea FFM but i doubt that much has changed since i went away.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm? What idea? I didn't have an idea... You sure you're not mixing my posts up with Shadowe's? Or do you mean the "Just ignore both of them" bit from mine?

[ QUOTE ]
As long as everybody else ether rolls with it or leaves it well alone and nobody trys to say you can't do that! then it shouldnt effect anything to much, there for everybody logs off happy at the end of the night?

[/ QUOTE ]

Such a reaction would be preferable, but knowing our RP community, probably not very likely. We tend to be a touchy bunch, especially about our characters!

[ QUOTE ]
Are the previously-discussed characters unoriginal? Not touching that one with a ten foot bargepole.



[/ QUOTE ]

Same here, it's definately not worth starting a row over.

I do have ONE question though, directed at the players of historical characters. What would you do if another player turned up, playing exactly the same character? Bear in mind that, as they pay their subs too, they have equal rights to portray a public domain historical figure as you do.

In fact, I'm kinda curious as to what anyone would do, if faced with 2 characters claiming to be the same person. I think I'd be inclined ignore both and save myself the aggravation.

Hmm... Just had a look and I see what has been done now.

To be honest, it looks to me more like a childish attempt at a prank, rather than a serious slur on the RPers involved, though I CAN see how it could be perceived that way. I absolutely can see how offensive it must feel but you are, if I may suggest, making a mountain out of a molehill.

Wiki entries get sabotaged by random people all the time, which is why there is version control. I advise contacting the wiki mods to have this RP Police account closed, and revert to the earlier version of your pages. All you're really doing here is giving the person responsible the satisfaction of knowing they've upset you.

... Que? What happened?

Woohoo! Congratulations everyone!!

[ QUOTE ]
Shortly as in "this week" (as opposed to 7 months later!). Most likely to be Wednesday.

I've actually got the forum threads for each nomination open right now and it's not going to be easy choosing the winners . Very high quality of work, and a great variety of styles.

[/ QUOTE ]

Cool. So, 9am tomorrow then, yeah?

/me pokes the thread with a sharp stick.

Oi! GhostRaptor... Wakey wakey!

Man... We're really stretching the definition of "shortly" here...