Feycat

Maybe you should stop lying? Just a thought. You've made so many outright untrue claims about what the game does and doesn't do, it's hilarious. Maybe go back and address that?

Could you list some of those things? I'm not trolling, I'm serious. Aside from downleveling (and they do it by zone and not by team) I'm wracking my brains for stuff from GW2 that COH did first.

Someone said "in the first 7 minutes, it's all stuff COH did first." Really? I am literally and honestly confused by people saying this.

* He points out there's no sub fee - COH had a sub fee for 7 years and other games went f2p long before, including GW1, so COH gets no credit for that.

* Eliminated fetch quests and backtracking. COH did this... eventually... by letting you call your contact and say "done!" BUT that's not the way GW2 does it at all, so I don't think COH gets to call dibs on this. COH STILL makes you talk to the contact first, then do missions for him until he gives you his number, THEN you can start calling in. With GW2, the mobs you fight/glowies you click on your WAY to the guy quite frequently count for the task he's going to give you. You get quest credit BEFORE YOU TAKE THE QUEST. COH has never done that. If I go to RWZ and kill 20 monkies, and THEN go talk to Borea... she's still going to make me go kill 20 monkies.

* The same NPC gives you multiple options to complete the same quest. Nope, COH never did that.

* Lots of non-combat activities you can engage in, in order to fulfil your quests. Nope. At one point we were promised that, but it just ended up being handwaved into Day Jobs.

* Other people can't kill-steal from you, and everyone gets xp/loot credit for every mob you help damage. Um, no. COH still works on the MMO standard of "if they're in your party, they share credit, if not, first person to hit the mob taps it - and other people helping you REDUCES your xp."

* Everyone gets their own loot and experience. Again, no. If you're all on the same team, you get your own loot, but the RNG is still sharing it between players and you still have to be teamed. In GW2, if a stranger and I cooperate to kill a mob, while unteamed, we BOTH get to loot the corpse, and we BOTH get full xp. COH does not do this.

* Events/mobs "level up" depending on how many people are around. Okay, yes. When teamed, your missions get harder as you add players. When not teamed, things like the Rikti Invasions spawn more guy if there's more folks clustered around Portal Corp to fight them. However - and here's an important point - if 20 people have the "kill 10 Lost in King's Row" quest, the game does NOT spawn 20 people's worth of Lost, OR make them harder because there's 20 people there. GW2 does. Also, Rikti/Halloween type events are rare and random. For GW2, overland events are how the game functions, it had no missions.

* Game rewards you for reviving each other. Nope. Not even those of us who have rezzes (and most of my characters were Defenders and Corruptors) got anything for rezzing other people. I get xp for killing people in GW2, not to mention more hands to help kill stuff, which in GW2 you actually WANT.

That's 7 minutes into the review. Let's go to 10? Because I've only found ONE thing so far in the review that COH "did first," and it's pretty much in a completely different way.

* Random world events chain together and lead to different things if you complete them. Um, no. In COH, if no one fights the Rikti, THEY STILL LEAVE. You don't have to fight them. In GW2, if centaurs come try to take over a warcamp... if you don't fight them off? THEY TAKE THE CAMP. And then all the soldier NPCs move to another part of the zone, and you have to talk to them, tell them you'll help them take the camp back, and then TAKE IT BACK. Or the centaurs get to keep it. Can you imagine how fun it would be if, when no one gave a crap that the Rikti were invading KR... they got to KEEP KR until a bunch of heroes showed up to take it back?? So you actually DO change the world, even if it's only a wee bit.

* Rewarded for exploring in GW2. COH? You get badges, and some of those badges can lead to accolades, but for most of the badges in the game, they're just candy for rabid collectors (like me!) In COH, you get xp for exploring each point of the map, you open up waypoints that let you travel the map faster, you find events and heart NPCs, and when you explore the ENTIRE map, the game gives you a chunk of xp and loot for doing it.

* Your skills are tied to the weapon your character is using, you can swap weapons in combat, and use environmental weapons like broken bottles or dropped sticks to fight off mobs. Um, no.

Seriously, I love COH with all my heart and had no intention to quit playing... but WHERE are people getting this "COH did the good stuff in GW2 first!!" I seriously do not get it. Especially if they're using this review as their basis of comparison!!

Um, you realize your last line kinda invalidates your point, right? For a LOT of people, running TFs and Trials was an important activity in the game, and it involved beating the same guys over and over. I killed Praetor White like 100 times on one character. And yet he was always there when I went back.

Also, I assume you never did a radio mission? Because I rescued the same guys and fought the same named bosses in those things over and over and over.

It's not unless you push.

It's like all the idiots in every other game that take their WoW-trained endgame brains, push themselves as high as they can as fast as they can, and then complain that there's no content for them and that the whole game was too easy.

Then, of course, they make up stuff that isn't true about the game they missed, to pretend it's the game's fault and not theirs.

Just like this guy.

And again, you needn't do them.

I take all character cutscenes with a grain of salt. I HATE having words put in my characters' mouth, as an RPer, so anytime there's words I don't like... I ignore them. My character never said them. I spent 8 years RPing whether or not my character was actually choosing to do the instances in COH IC or not (really? Rescue that guy AGAIN?) and it's not hard to do.

Some of them lead to interesting changes for my characters (wait, I chose my sire was a gladium and now I have to go ARREST him for BECOMING a gladium? Oh snap!) and some of them not so much (my character wagered a family heirloom on a DICE GAME? Um, no.) Just because the game says it, doesn't mean I have to feel those feels, any more than I did in COH when my character was a cop and not a superhero. You just mentally adjust those things.

And if you feel like you shouldn't have to do that... well, that's MMOs for you.

Props to you, good sir!

Absolutely. I'd prefer a Minecraft-style home-server/LAN type game so I could play it with my husband, but absolutely yes.

Actually? I would LOVE a version of this game I could play over a network, like Minecraft. That would make me so happy.

Uh, CoH has shared loot without grouping? No.

Wanting help with bosses is a COH thing now?

GW2 doesn't encourage teaming. It makes everyone around on the same "team" without forcing them to group up for rewards.

You can't call/teleport to contacts in GW2, unless that contact is standing right on a waypoint. You can teleport to locations instantly, which we could not do in CoH - Oro and bases were the fastest travel and they still involved at least 2 loading screens.

I can jump more than 2 feet on several of my characters. In fact, I can come crashing down on them from quite a ways off and set them on fire while doing it. That feels pretty super.

No it doesn't, but how would you know?

Wrong again. Over 15000 **PEOPLE** have signed the petition. They are NOT all COH players. In fact, everyone in my LOTRO/SWTOR PvP guild (most of whom never played COH) signed it (they are gamers and many of them played SWG and understand the heartbreak of having your game shut off. Most of my family - none of whom played COH - signed it, because I asked them to. My Minecraft server members signed it, to support me.

Many of those people have also bought GW2. So you are wrong all over the place, sadly.

I RPed with several people I'd never met before, fought off hordes of undead, discovered a secret location in the Grove with no purpose than to be beautiful, and fought a giant demon of shadow.

Just because YOU don't enjoy the game doesn't mean it's unenjoyable pap.

There is a story. Because you're not paying attention to it doesn't make it magically vanish.

I'm seriously wondering if you ACTUALLY play the game or not. Because I've duoed ALL my story quests so far.

Yes, it does have instances. Seriously, everything you've posted pretty much makes me think you're a troll who never actually played the game, you just read someone else's critique and ran with it.

PvP is central to PvPers. I know that sounds trite, but hear me out.

I played LOTRO for over 3 years. Got a lifetime account. I spent a LOT of time PvEing - got a bunch of characters to the various level caps, RP'd, crafted, etc. I also spent quite a bit of time PvPing. I had one weekly raiding night, and 2 weekly PvP nights. LOTRO had ONE PvP zone, where you went specifically just to PvP. I played on the monster side, because I didn't want to PvP with any of my elf-toons (just because, not because it didn't work for RP, I just didn't want to - it bothered me to see them dying repeatedly, whereas it did not bother me to see my giant spider squished 60 times a night.)

As time went on and the game became slanted more and more to f2p and the repetitive, annoying content therein, I played PvP more and more. My RP guild fell apart and I spent all my time with my PvP creep guild.

I spent probably the last year I played doing all PvP all the time. I only logged into the game to PvP. The only people I played with were PvPers. I made videos, and they were all PvP videos.

Anyone watching my videos might conclude that PvP was an important or vital part of LOTRO. But it really really wasn't, it was the red-headed stepchild of the game, that people did when the mind-numbing PvE in the game got stale and you didn't feel like banging against the lack of top-end content anymore. But for some of us, it was the whole game.

My understanding is that GW1 and GW2 are built with highly functional and important PvP aspects (as opposed to LOTRO's "go to this zone so we can ignore you" PvP) but, like everything else in the game, it is not necessary and one only does it if one wants.

It's not wasted, it's waiting for you

Thundercats, man. Thundercats.

I would seriously change it to "Hacked account" if you can.

You know, you probably still could. Do people care enough to sue a Machinma? I don't think they would...

Right, but did you re-prioritize your ticket?

Ah, the anthromorph v. furvert v. fursuiter debate...

Memmmmorieeeesss....

That sucks. They're working on a 72 hour turnaround and lots of folks on Reddit are reporting getting their accounts back. Did you re-prioritize your ticket?

Oh no, you're absolutely right about that. I don't think ANY game will EVER come close to being so open about character creation as COH - not just the creator itself and its insane amount of options, but the way the lore let you be just about anything. Mostly thanks to Portal Corp. You could literally drag a character from WoW into CoH and it worked just fine (because both games had cross-dimensional portals.) You could be a fairie, a catgirl, a sapient robot, and it was perfectly lore-correct. You could be an alien parasite and it was actually written into the game lore.

The flexibility of THAT is one thing I'm going to miss with all my heart if we can't save COH.

And I absolutely support people saying "I don't trust NCSoft and I won't support them." I honestly do. I just wish that people wouldn't attack GW2 and those who play it as a means of expressing their discontent. It doesn't have to be a with-us-or-against-us thing. GW2 doesn't have to be the scapegoat. It's perfectly capable to just civilly state you're not interested in the game or NCSoft and that's that.

"Sorry for causing all that cancer..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP3X0dSV9kI

No, I think it's more trying to fend off the "it's just a generic fantasy setting," "It's just like WoW," "It's full of orcs" bullsh!t.

It really is a cross-genre sort of setting, but sort of in the opposite direction as COH. COH was modern with strong fantasy bits - GW2 is fantasy with some strong tech bits. Both of them blend this stuff into the setting seamlessly, so Croatoa full of fairies didn't feel out of place in the same setting with Steel Canyon, and the Black Citadel and Rata Sum don't feel out of place in the same setting with the Grove.

I think it's more trying to defend the setting from cries of "boring, generic sword-and-sorcery fantasy!" than trying to claim GW2 is not fantasy. I know I certainly didn't claim it isn't.

Personally, I prefer fantasy. Most of my COH characters were based on Amber Diceless characters - quite a few were actual fairies. There's nothing wrong with someone saying "I don't want to play a fantasy game" or "I don't want to play a modern setting game" or even "I want to play a space game!" The problem comes when people say "I don't want to play a fantasy game, therefore fantasy games are boring/generic/stupid." It's not necessary to harsh someone else's squee to have your own.

Her.

And "I posted links and then extrapolated them as far as I could" is still making stuff up, I'm sorry.

The trollishness of the title has just exhausted me because focusing people's rage on GW2 even more than it already has is so unwarranted and counterproductive. I'm just so tired of it.

I never said it wasn't fantasy. I said it matched Sam's description of what he wanted in an FF game almost perfectly.

The mechanics are what make it special.

The story and lore are pretty good too.

The graphics are phenomenal.

So yeah.