Feycat

Definitely.

I would have paid $15 to the market JUST to lose the Hasten pom-poms.

No, everything in GW2 does not descend from the dragons. There's talk that the Sylvari may, but as of now, that's rumor.

Seriously, the stuff you post boggles me.

And no one's saying GW2 isn't fantasy. It's just not "generic WoW rip-off Tolkien-derived elves-and-dwarves" fantasy.

And as I pointed out, once IOs were added, ALL enhancement drops became (potentially) vendor trash (seriously, I still get DOs into my 40s, wtf is that about?) as well as about 70% of the recipes which aren't worth making or CHing, and a good portion of the super-common salvage drops. COH is NOT exempt from vendor trash. It has buttloads. Sure, the COH vendor trash is theoretically usable, the way a grey "goopy goo" trash drop isn't, but anyone who's been playing COH has vendored more Trap of the Hunter recipes than they could count :P

Again, Ironik, you've clearly not played the game or delved into it to any depth. I played WoW from vanilla for about three years. I go back every now and then. I beta'd GW2 and am currently playing it. They are not alike except in the most shallow ways where they also share common ancestry with every MMO, including COH.

This.

It's not that anyone's arguing it's not a fantasy game.

Just that it doesn't fit into the generic shoebox the haters are trying to put it in.

And again, the backhand insult. Is it necessary?

Just to lob that one back at you - how ignorant is it that people can't be bothered to actually LEARN ABOUT the stuff they're insulting? It's NOT a mages-and-dwarves game. It doesn't fit into the Tolkien pigeonhole of fantasy. It IS different. It IS innovative. Your dismissiveness is completely unwarranted. Fantasy =/= samey same.

If it's not your genre, why do you feel the need to come in and denigrate the discussion of it? The question was, aren't you people sick to death of the fantasy genre? The answer is NO, because the genre can still be fresh and interesting, if the game designers MAKE it so. Like they have with GW2.

Um, GW2 isn't that.

The world isn't dominated by magical creatures, or even magic. I mean, what's your definition of a "magical creature?" A creature that doesn't exist in our world? 90% of the mobs in GW2 are real-world critters, sometimes tweaked for appearance, and very few of them are inherently magical. I haven't seen a single unicorn, and dragons are the equivalent of an Elder God.

Technology is neither absent nor an exception.

Asura portals are technological, not magical. We've helped build them and seen the mechanics. And there are no mounts.

How is that? With both COH and GW2 you have to find the nearest shopkeeper to sell your stuff, or go to the auction house to sell it to a player. The only difference is that in GW2 you can put stuff on the AH or in your bank from ANYWHERE in the world, where in COH you can only do that if you've earned enough vet rewards.

(Gotta say, getting /vault and /auctionhouse made my game SO MUCH BETTER, I was thrilled to see that functionality baked into GW2)

NCSoft won't regret closing COH anyway. That's just a fact. Aside from the fact that it's, y'know, a corporation and has no feelings. Some of the employess may in fact already feel bad. Some never will. But the business heads who run the game are NOT going to change their minds about closing it.

That's why the Titan folks aren't even trying to work that angle. I'm not in this to make NCSoft cry sad, bitter tears. I'm in it to keep COH running somehow.

Because for some of us, THAT is our preferred genre. There's a lot of fantasy games out, but NOT a lot of fantasy games that are, y'know, GOOD GAMES. That's like saying "why are the COH people upset, there's still DCUO and CO out there if they need to be superheroes!" Well, no, because they're not GOOD GAMES.

World of Warcraft was a good game for a while. LOTRO was a decent game that had a ton of warts and balky game mechanics, that went south quickly. I don't think I've played any other fantasy MMO for any goodly length of time because they just weren't very good.

GW2 is GOOD. What I want is a fantasy game, with GOOD mechanics I can enjoy. Just throwing me a random bone with a pretty skin won't do it for me if I can't enjoy the game, otherwise I'd still be playing LOTRO.

Actually, Sam, isn't that STILL helpful? Isn't that person still showing up and showing support for COH, even though they're playing another? I'm playing and loving GW2 - I have no intention of stopping the fight to get some sort of salvation for COH. I logged out of GW2 to attend the rallies - but how would it be different if I AFK'd and alt-tabbed to GW2, as opposed to the many people who joined a TF, held a torch and went AFK to do whatever else?

Actually, again, those are pretty bad comparisons. The Gnome/Asura one is good, but the others are really not equivalent in any way. Sylvari are much closer to Tauren in culture and behavior. but still not very close - Tauren and Charr have ZERO in common but cosmetics. Night Elves and Sylvari have nothing in common, Sylvari *look* much closer to Blood Elves - Night Elves are extremely xenophobic, militaristic, and matriarchal, they're NOT peaceful. Sylvari are open, very curious about other races, and are literally made of plants, with no government whatsoever except the Pale Tree. As for the Worgan and Norn, they couldn't be more different either.

Seriously, I understand your underlying point (which I disagree with) is that "all fantasy is the same," but you've not done your point justice with these particular examples.

To me, all sci-fi looks the same. Metal building, metal ship, metal suit - got it. Boring. Don't find it aesthetically or emotionally pleasing. Do not want.

As we say in some of the fandom circles where I hang out, YKINMK - your kink is not my kink. And that's fine. You don't need to denigrate someone else's preference just because you like something different. You remind me of all the jerks who find out I'm a vegetarian and spend the rest of the meal telling me how great their steak is and how dumb I am for not wanting one.

Actually, probably 70% of the recipes that drop, a good bit of the salvage, and all the enhancements that drop for my characters are, for the most part, thrown on the CH or a vendor. I'm constantly having my trays/tabs fill up and flash red at me until I can stop and take the time to go throw them away. I IO my characters frankenslotted at 22, then at 35 then at 40, so almost nothing that drops for me is anything other than vendor trash.

Wait, seriously? I love you people!!

You can! They fixed that on... Saturday, I think. The only time you have to take mats out is for discovering new recipes through experimentation, because you have to move things in/out of the crafting table to see which ones work together. And they're working on making THAT something you can do out of the bank as well.

Honestly, I agree that there's a lot of systems I wish they entirely reworked. But I see the game as an important step forward in getting out of the WOW-lockstep the genre's been mired in for the past 7 years and going to a more innovative place again.

Wait... you LIKE combat rooting?? O.O

Oh Sam, sometimes I just dunno about you!!

They're about as major a part of the game as street sweeping is in COH. Which is to say, not very and eminently avoidable if you want to (and I do.) The only ones that are even mildly required are the ones which go up to vistas, which 1. are not very hard or puzzly, and 2. only necessary if you're the kind of person who NEEDS 100% completion in every map. (I do, QQ)

Nah, I didn't think you were slighting PvPers, it's good

You're probably right that's why we hadn't seen it mentioned. I just got out of a WvWvW session myself - whew! Intense!

And that's exactly the attitude they're looking to change.

It's not ok to do it in GW2, and if you get caught, they actually enforce their user agreement.

Personally, I think it's fantastic.

Plus, it's not an either/or situation. They're banning/suspending people for it AND fixing the exploits. It's win/win.

BTW, most of the people who were permabanned for the karma exploit? Bought another copy of the game. And many of them posted saying "wow, I had no idea you guys would enforce the rules, but good on you, my bad."

And there should have been, if they wanted the exploits to stop. Anet does want the exploits to stop.

Most of the bans are of the 72 hour variety, not perma-bans. The only way people get perma-banned is by exploiting something in a huge way (the karma weapons exploit is an example) or by goldspamming/hacking.

Again, you only know this poster's version of what happened, which the Reddit posts show is not very reliable, and you don't know what CS will say when they investigate his ticket. It's very possible he's been locked out because he's been hacked, and that's why he thinks he was "banned for nothing."

No I didn't. I seriously can't tell if you're just trolling in all the GW2 topics or what.

I said that they ban people for EXPLOITING the bugs.

People know damn well when a bug turns into an exploit. People knew the AE monkey farming (To name just one) was an exploit. They kept doing it, and in fact were advertising in channels that we should all quick do it before the devs squashed it. It was giving out insane amounts of xp on an extremely weak foe.

When people decide to deliberately take advantage of an obvious bug, then yes, they're exploiting. They're not "bumping into" the bug. They're roping it and riding it and milking everything they can out of it.

So if I leave my door unlocked, then robbing me should not a crime?

No, what I was disputing was the "CoH players aren't PvPers so they won't want to talk about PvP" assertion. (Yes, I know I'm paraphrasing.) Because CoH players may be PvPers, just not here where the PvP sucks

On the inventory management issue, GW2 has added 2 things which, to me, are the best things ever for someone who enjoys resource nodes. They might not be your cuppa, but I'm totally loopy over them. They added something called a "collectibles" screen - which is in your bank, but DOES NOT take up bank space. It's where ALL crafting materials go. All of them. You can have a stack of up to 250 of each item. And you can access your bank from any crafting station. Secondly, at ANY time out in the world, you can right-click on your bag's menu, and select "deposit all collectibles" - and they ALL zoop out to your bank. You don't have tons of crafting mats clogging up your bank or bags. I love it soooo much.

To be fair, I never played SWG, where craftsmanship was actually important, but GW2 actually does have some fun "more than a button push" crafting things. Discovery.

The only craft I've delved into is cooking, but there's a ton of importance to discovery. Like any other MMO's crafting, when you learn a craft, it gives you a bunch of basic recipes. You can sit there and craft 50 chicken broth to get to your next skill level, sure. Or you can make pasta noodles... then chicken broth... and see what the game will let you do with it. Adding pasta noodles, chicken broth, carrots and onions to the crafting table lets you make Chicken Noodle Soup, which gives you a discovery xp bang, and that particular food gives you better buffs than eating plain chicken broth does.

I know it's not exactly fixing the boredom of push-button crafting entirely, but I think it's a step in the right direction.

Gah, Jay, he's really not. This is how he talks about EVERY game, including COH. Calm your rage, please, man.

You can do that, though. Yeah, they ask you that stuff in character creation. It has NO mechanical effect on your character whatsoever. You can roll that Norn runt (my Norn chick is EXCEEDINGLY short - she's one of my COH portovers and she's as tiny as I could make her, which is still bigger than the other races, but the other Norns tower over me) and the storyline? It's ignored. You don't have to do it. There's no requirements to do it. You can do it for the xp and then pretend it's not happening (like I did for the most part with the Incarnate content) or just don't do it and it doesn't impact your game.

Um, I'm not sure WTF you're talking about, honestly. There are no raids. COH has raids, GW2 does not. The instances are all 5-man. The only "raiding" I can think of is when a bunch of people who are not partied descend on a world boss to beat it down, or in WvWvW PvP. Other than that, what?

Also? You can't go into first person in GW2. And if you don't like the jumping puzzles, you can ignore them. I do. I suck at jumping :-/ Seriously, I could never even beat Super Mario, and Prince of Persia kicked me in the face, stole my wallet, and ran away laughing. So I don't do jumping puzzles.

I looooove the water combat in GW2. It's the only game I've ever played where being in the water actually changed anything. In COH/LOTRO/SWTOR being in the water meant nothing, and in WoW you could actually go underwater, but it was the same mechanics. I like that they added the aquabreathers, the aquatic weapons and skills and pets. I love going underwater with my ranger and tearing crap up with a pet shark. LOL!

They are tweaked, more than slightly in many cases. I don't know, have you actually played? A lot of your complaints are mysterious to me.

Nonsense.

Haha, I'm in the same boat! My tiny little character is toooootally lost!

It really isn't. I love the fact that the choices you make actually change the direction the story goes in and the specific scenes you see. I've got 2 charr and 2 norn characters and they've chosen different backstories and picked different directions during the cutscenes, and have radically different stories.

It would be nice if you could feel your choices made more of a difference in general questing in most MMOs. What if when you failed to rescue the Rikti negotiator hostage, it actually meant you went into the next mission totally blind? Or that you had to sneak in instead of engaging in any combat?

Personally, I like the *system* - just as an RPer, I don't care to have my backstory handed to my by the devs, and then to have that story in common with everyone else. Taken as entertainment though, it's highly enjoyable.