Evil_Legacy

exactly.

I bet though if the tables were flipped and someone mentions the downside of this game and juciy details of like how one player ignored his family to play, lost his job because he stopped going, and havent left the house in weeks nor showered or changed clothes and etc, the media probably would eat it up. Well, not as much as they used to because I think they moved on the people that played for weeks without stopping and keeled over.

I dont eat cereal.

-yea the point wasnt to gain you reconition. Just thoughts that I wrote nothing more nothing less. That is why I didnt say any other names as it was talking about in general of what I viewed and was directed at no one in particular. But since, some people made it about them in particular, I went with it. Especially TonyV as this probably is the best opportunity to understand him since he came on in. Hey the warning was there. surrounded by bold letters. As I said, they were just mere thoughts and what I been observing, nothing more nothing less.

-yea about that. If we are to stand as one, then we should look among each others as equals as all with a stake in this game. Not "oh that particular opinion dont matter" Or they are a troll because they disagree, as a few posters here already done with no hesitation" or even "they are more popular than you so your opinion is invalid". And I'm not talking about even ideas of implemention of anything. I'm talking about basic opinions. If I'm going help to save a community, I'm going to help save a community. So far I'm not exactly sure which this forum is over all. An actual community or a gaggle of troll callers that call anyone that dont agree with them a troll. While I prefer that my efforts go to saving a community, I dont mind saving the animals either. Until figure it out, I'ma try my best to save this game even if it's just to ensure that these troll callers have a place to go instead of going around and possibly dragging other communities down. Then not only would I save this game and make sure they have a home to stay in, I'm helping saving the entire gaming community from these troll callers. Yet, the problem with troll callers, is that they do drive away people from an already relatively slim community. If one of our hopes is to get another company to pick up the game, I doubt they will be itching to pick up a game with a community that is quickly falling apart. Sure some people might come back. But after spending double digit millions, some companies probably are not looking for that type of risk especially given the age of this game. And quicker this game falls apart, easier it is for NCSoft to go "Whew glad we killed that game quickly or else we would have started to lose money keeping it going." Or easier for them to just wait us out, which what they might already be tryign to do. From what I see, I dont think it got to the point of no repair but alot of pieces are falling off and going else where.

First thing to get united is to understand there will be differences of how to get there, but remember the common goal and respect those difference. If not, then no one will respect anyone, sides will be chosen, and then it will be about as divided as a community can get. I'm not sure about anyone else as I dont and never speak for anyone else but myself, is that I see some divisions forming already. And Im overall good either way. While I rather see this game kept and saved, especially after all the effort that has been placed into this cause, I wouldnt lose any sleep if the over all forum rather fight among themselves over petty stuff that is really not important, (well it seems as long as they win an online arguement and percieved as right, nothing else matters), and let this game fall off the face of the earth to be forgotten in four years. Then so be it. I'm only one person, and what happens to this game is up to the memebers. If they want to save it, then save it, and I'll join. If the forum decides overall they rather watch it burn and win as many online arguements as they can before it goes off, then sure, I'll bring the gasoline and hope they dont migrate to other games that I might be playing and wreak havoc over there. Hopefully this will be the last game that we have to do this to save. Now we all know it can happen to any game at anytime, profitable or not and people should be weary about investing that much time and money and not wanting to go down the tube at a flick of a decision from a CEO and a few board members. I think some may have learned the old lesson of "never invest and or gamble with more money and time that you will miss in something that is not guranteed." The COX roll system pulled a snake eyes on us and now it's up to us to see if we can at least leave with someone out of the effort to save this game.

But if push come to shove and fish hits the shan (exactly how I meant to type it) at the every turn, and Nov 30th comes and things all blackout, and maybe this forum too or maybe later than Nov. 30th, that is the real test. Right now, this is the warm up stage and so far already seeing some division. Now when the ideas for the new game really start popping off, and more people depending on which route is taken, put more money into it, and this and that and things start getting complicated, aka, the tough gets going, the petty stuff really will have to be put on the back burner or might as well hang it up now. So what if a person dont agree with another person. Maybe they are on to something, even if their entire statement is hard to understand. Too many people choose to focus on one little thing that they find questionable and focus on that and forget the rest of the post and point even existed. Right now, it's relatively harmless. In making a game, that is how many games dont survive beyond the beta stage if it barely makes it past the alpha stage. Someone with power, who may or may not have an idea how to create a game but think their opinion is worth ten time everyone else, and their friend's opinion are worth 4 times everyone else, and those that dont agree with him opinion dont matter. Unless that person is super popular, not many people have that many friends to keep a game going and profitable and usually have a high turn over rate in staff. And if people believe their opinion wont even be taken into account without being called a stupid idea, then some people will not speak and that could be lost opportunity on a great idea. Some people will not invest, and that could be more money going to maintaining and or creating the game. Some people will leave, and that decreases the population. And when it do crashes, no one will give a crap.

I've seen the reasons many want to save the game, NCSoft ill treatment of the situation, especially the devs, who put in alot of hard work to make this game work, was open minded, communicated, and basically about as close to a just another player as a dev could get. Now flip it and imagine if they didnt accept any feedback from the player base, thought they was better than everyone else and treated the players like that, and basically built a game for the devs themselves to play and you're nothing but a mere money drop to keep it going. The game would have been dead a long time ago and I bet there would not even be 1% of the type of outrage that has been seen here.

What I hope dont happen is that this effort and tough road to save the spirit of this game pays off only to be replaced by people like mentioned in the end of the above section (paragraph). Then what would have been the point of it all? A vision of the spirit of COX as a select few view it or is this for a vision of the spirit of COX for everyone that played COX?

What ever you say. I guess you didnt read the warning at all. That's on you.

And no that is not what I'm saying, anymore than TonyV, your idol, told other people.

Quotes of TonyV
"I'm saying that IF you don't give a flip, then I don't care* and don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you. I still stand by that."
-So basically if they just so happen to not care, even though they may have invested their time and money and maybe not emotion into the game, then they should leave. Kind of disrectful to some one who just metioned that they dont feel sad.


"But if all you (the reader of this post, not SuperOz) want to do is come here and tell us how little you care, that's really pathetic."
-If they care little and that is their feeling, then that is what they are feeling just as some people feel angery, sad, hopeful or what ever. It's like them telling you that hoping for a long shot is pathetic.


"You don't have to be an avid member of a community to have the bare decency to not want to see it go away."
-Ok this one may not be so bad. But what is so indecent about wanting ot not caring about if the game lives on or not? Maybe they didnt have the same cheery good feeling experience in the game as others and rightfully so, just as much so as people with good feelings from good experiences have, to feel a bit jaded about it. That's like telling a **** victim to stop belly aching because it's their fault they got *****.

"So are you the only one who's not upset? Of course not. But please, I see no purpose in advertising your apathy to us. If you want to go, then go, and let those of us who are continuing to fight continue to fight."
-I dont see stating how you feel as advertising anything or anymore than any other post or the Save the COX posts. If that is how that person feel, that is how that person feel. If you expect them to respect those that are trying to keep their minds on the happy times, then maybe they should respect those that may not have such a sunny outlook too. Respect goes both ways not just one way.


Topic: State of the Titan – TonyV basically states there is little chance that NCSoft will reverse their decision. People have been saying this since the beginning. Yet, they got called types of names up and down from everything from pessimistic to trolling. Yet TonyV on the 22 of Sept. says the exact same points, and even says he is just being realistic, and not a single negative comment. Yet, when people earlier said the same thing, and said they was being realistic, it was called alot of negative stuff. SO what I gather from this is that it's ok TonyV to be realistic but not others. Or was that they was suppose to wait for TOnyV to get realistic before they could? That is a bit of a double standard.

I'm aiming for regular news.

lol. true.

Zombie heroes and villains.

Cool, what is that about 1/5th of the peak population? I think a little more than a quarter will have to get someone, even if the receptionist, to notice. A third, some management should raise an eyebrow. Half, someone near the top should be looking over it. More than half, if the CEO is left in the dark then and not hear of it, it would be sad. Ofcourse that is assumed verified signatures. Why havent this hit Yahoo news or the likes or even been given a TV spot? Hell, WoW loses a few players and it makes the news.

yea I hope it is saved in some fashion but if not yea life does goes on.

oh its only about 2,100 words.

To be blunt I expect you to respect those people who dont feel the same with you just as much as you ask them to respect the people that are trying to keep the hope alive instead of jumping on them when they even remotely say, they mayor may not care about the game. ANd if someone decides to go at it alone, just like you dont want people putting down your efforts or saying negative things about it, dont put their efforts down by saying things like "ok, but it's ineffective." Just as you told the people that follow you to keep doing what they doing, I hope the people may have stuck out on their own do the same and dont let you put them down. In a nutshell, the point is, if you expect people to respect your work and efforts and the others on Titan, try to respect others. If you want people to understand and feel what you all are trying to achieve as you stated, then respect them for what they are trying to achieve, even if it's just sitting there and letting the game go and then moving on. That is all.

ok.

I'd slash my own wrists, the proper way od slashing a wrist. No "help me" cuts. If that was my situation that is. I couldnt live a few months left and knowing that is the end. I'd just check out early.

Like a normal day of gaming. As if it was some random day in 2010. And like I always done, I come, playa few hours and bounce. Might make it line up with when the lights are suppose to go out but if I miss it, no biggy. I'm sure I'll here a lot about it one way or another. Wait...does that mean this forum is going to go blank on that day too? Then I may not hear about it.

If a track record is any indication of future behavior, then Black Zot is correct.


If a track record is not an indicator of future behavior then, who knows until they say so.

Have at it then. You found your way in here I'm sure you can find your way out.

<----This.

So are they not particular effective for what reason might I ask? Because they are pursuing their own path and not the one you or TitanNetwork members laid out? Or are they doing something that is not such a bright idea, that is besides striking out on their own accord?

I'm truly interested in the answer because it's quotes like these that make it seems that the only way is your way. So I rather get it cleared up instead of thinking wrong about the entire situation.

That is an interesting question.

Ok, if that is what you think.

Nah I think you just speak your own mind and what's on it and what you see. Nothing wrong with that in my view.

I would love to just agree to disagree and get it done and have some fun.

And I think this is why I prefer face to face talk. When online, there is too much guessing. one negative makes the whole thing seem overly negative, even though if spoken face to face, it would only seem like, "Hm ok, this guy didnt have a good time." Here its "ZOMG!!! YOU TROLLL!!!" even with the same words.