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  1. Evil_Legacy

    please read.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post

    If Joe's Chips change the taste of their potato chips and I don't like it, I buy a different brand.
    So then tell me what is all the fuss about them closing this game down again with that logic you display? Then why not just go buy a different game?
  2. Evil_Legacy

    please read.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    Cereal prices are hardly a scam. Even the data I provided is ten years out of date. It's even more expensive now to manufacture it and prices go up accordingly.

    While there are real pricing scams out there the example you chose has been thoroughly debunked.
    Ok then, everything but cereal is a scam. That should work.

    But must remember that just about any buisness goal is to make money not be friends with the consumer. As long as there are people willing to buy, then they will be willing to sale. Then again, is it even a scam if people are willing to buy or old fashioned supply and demand. I might be wrong totally and maybe most buisnesses are are not scams but simply selling an item that people are willing to pay x-amount for. Come to think of it, if a person is willing to buy something at a certain price, say, bottled water, can it eve nbe considered a scam anymore than selling a purple at 100 million if people are willing to pay?
    And in making money, buisnesses sometimes have to make some tough decisions, which include letting go of some products whether some people like it or not. Buisness is buisness and the buisness of buisness is to make money and to keep making money.
    Meh, I guess it's the way of the world to buy low sell high as possible regardless of costs to make.
    Guess it's up to the consumer to decide whether or not it's worth it and do research befofe they buy or rent and know what they are putting their money into. That includes researching the company and see if it has a history of killing off products that a person may like or not. If they have a record and the consumer takes it to heart that they killed off their favorite product, then there is no point and rather illogical to get angry at the buisness. They must make money.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ael Rhiana View Post
    While 20,000 signatrues is awesome, it isn't exactly mind blowing. With these sorts of things you generally need numbers upwards of 100,000+ to even begin making any sort of difference. We sadly won't reach the numbers needed to really make a difference with an online petition. I'll be surprised if we hit 25k by the time the servers shut down. And I mean legitimate sigantures, not one person signing hundreds of times, which people might even already be doing.
    Something I said long time ago. But alot of people jumped on my case. Just be careful, they dont seem to like that type of talk around these here parts.
  4. Evil_Legacy

    please read.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    And the Supermarkets that sell generic brands are packaging the exact same product as the name brand which they bought from the same manufacturer only packaged under a generic name.

    Talk about a scam.



    Another big scam on consumers is what hospitals charge for things like aspirin.
    The main point that so many seemed to have missed.

    It's all a scam.
  5. Evil_Legacy

    please read.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ArcticFahx View Post
    I love how you completely ignore labor costs. You know, stuff like paying the employees.
    Ok, when I write details, people call it wall of text. when I keep it short, they point out every little detail that is missing. Which do you want? Cant have both. I can go into every little nook and cranny about ceral production but that would take about 3,000 or so words or can try to keep it short and sweet and let people miss the entire point to point as minor things. Hell, people complain when the post is only 900 words.


    If buisness is your friend then fine. If you thinks it's fair al lthe time then why are you crying over the death of this game. That was a buisness decision. Funny how you can point out every little working of a buisness but cant grasp why they killed this game.
    The way I figure people like you will complain and find something to complain about either way no matter what. So it is what it is. If that detail important to you, then you figure it out. I made the point the point is there, get aroudn to reading the entire point one day as it's only a few sentences. If you never get around to it, then that is your worry not mine.
    Next subject. Thanks, have a nice day.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by houtex View Post
    Not to be Conan the Grammarian or anything like that, but this:


    Would have suffiiced. And you've got a lot of alts on your hands, and all of them high on up. Which shows that this was a heck of a ride for you, and that's just lovely. Thanks for sharing.

    Now, please, stop doing the **5 paragraph** disclaimers. That's ridiculously paranoid of you. Accept there will be nitpickers and you can choose or not choose to respond. The nitpickers are either trolling to get you angry, or needlessly pedantic about how to spel. Or a crazy insane Gir... >.>

    Frankly, all that wall-of-text does is tick people off, and then your story of how things were is ignored, or read with a touch of bitterness, and I almost didn't read the part that mattered. And I'm glad I just skipped to it, so I could read it, and ignored the whole warning. Seriously. I know you asked for no help and all that, but this must be said, you don't NEED that here. We're not all jerks.

    Again... like your story of your characters. Just post that next time.

    Mike

    /yes, I spelled 'spel' incorrectly on purpose. Because it's funny, that's why.
    It's not paranoid when without this, when I would address the nit pickers, grammar nazis or trolls, then everyone and their mammy come out the wood work acting like I was the one in the wrong. This lays out specifically that those things probably wont be welcomed and now, they cant say "I didnt know she would react like that. I was just trying to help." Or none of that.
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind View Post
    But nearly no one's going to read it. And you know this from experience. You're taking a course of action designed to justify to yourself an oppositional mindset.
    See that is assumption people tend to make. I dont care how many people read it. If someone reads it, that is cool. If not then that is cool.
    But the disclaimer thing is jus ta response to what has happened. The funny thing is, that when it do happens, no one speaks up and tell them to leave it, no one points out that they are trolling, no it's all up to me to do that when someone does it. Then when I do address it, people come out the wood work about how rude I am, and over reacting and stuff. So yea, if it's going to stop and people dont have to guess, and based on what has happened, then yea it's very nesseccary. When the disclaimer wasnt posted for my posts and thought maybe "ok, they probably know by now, it went back to the same old crap.

    And no it's not "ridiculously paranoid of you." If it has happened, been happening even recently. Yet, everyone remains silent then call me paranoid when I write the disclaimer. Hey, what other choice I had? I guess I wasnt making myself clear without it. Now it's clear, there is no gray area and anything like that then everyone will know why if they respond with rudeness, and I reply back, then they cant say "oh I didnt know you would respond like that." or "You're over reacting." Now it's easy, let them know the post is long so they dont have to be a smart *** and post some pic or gif that says "Wall of text" even though there has been posts that are nearly as long and longer than most of my posts, they know that they dont have to point out mispellings then play victim when I react to them doing so but not doing it to anyone else, now they know what to expect instead of acting like it was forced upon them.

    If they chose to read and respond, fine. If not, I dont care. I dont write for them. I just share my experience and that is that. I'm not going for a popularity contest or trying to stroke my ego with how many people respond or cry because no one responded. But I rather no one respond then get on here and start trouble. And if they choose to respond, no more trying to make it seem like I made them read it, forced it upon them or anything. Within the first line is says this post is long, if they continue to read after that, it's on them. It says that there might be mistakes, no point in pointing them out, and if they do, they are now obviously trolling. If they try to offer help, like in the past when they offered help then act like I'm inappropriate when I dont worship them for the unasked help, now that is no longer a problem. It's stated right there, help not needed. If they offer it, it's obvious troll and they cannot expect me to react in a kind manner. And they can no longer act surprised when I dont react to it in a kind manner especially when it wasnt asked for. The whole point of it, and it's important because seems that many people cant respond civilized on their own, now they cannot say they wasnt prepared and everything is obvious, clear cut and dry. In the past, Ive gotten good results this way so I'm goign to continue to do so. When it's not there, the thread/post hardly ever make past the first page before some nutcase comes in and mess it up trying to act grammar nazi and act like they was doing me a favor. Now it specifically states, they are not doing me any favor and it's not needed.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
    I'm determined to give Champions a chance, but it... Kind of doesn't want me to. I know people have corrected me before on the game not taking itself seriously, and there are decent stories (I hear), but the whole world is just too... Goofy. And it's not that I'm a humourless git who can't appreciate funny (not all the time), but the whole thing makes me feel like the game is making fun of me. It's kind of hard to... "Open up" and put my weirder and more controversial characters on there because it feels like the game's narrative is mocking them.

    You know how, in jock culture, guys don't tend to talk about their feelings because they'll basically be laughed at? Same deal with Champions. I go and make a long, intricate psychological story exploring the nature of loneliness, self-definition, friendship and love... And then I'm tossed into a game of caricatures with Defender's campy voice saying "Let's crush them between us!" like we'll be doing a threesome. Yeah, enthusiasm to open up just... Gone. Joke characters would be cool for that game. I just don't have any.
    yea lol that defender dude says some odd stuff. As being a female, I'm like "What exactly are you getting at, Mr. Defender?"

    But over all I'm loving the quirks of the game. Sillt dialogue, not so serious story, different various mobs and some are silly as hell. The whole game screams, "come on in and have fun. Leave the serious face and attitudes at the door." There is no work with trying to hope you lucky with hit rolls or defense, or even accuracy, no number crunching needed, no PL, none of that serious make a game feel more like work nonsense.

    It is a game throughout and wonderful in game people, so far. Not sure how that is going to last with the large amount of COX transplant going on, a few already on CO board going to work with "Why isnt this like COX, In COX we had this and that, this is wrong ,COX did it better, CO is nothing like COX" and etc. but hey that is their own opinion. And after the spill about people respecting the other posters in this time period for them to go to that board and act like that is a little backwards compared to the "angelic" righteous stuff about "how they wouldnt go onto a board and do this and that" then turn around and do exactly this and that.

    In game they have their own chat channel and hope they stay there in their own little zoo. The peace is nice right now and as long as they are contained, I think they can exist in a world that is obviously "not COX" as they like to say almost on a daily basis. If let loose, it might spell the end for that game too.
  9. yea I think it was needed, so that it was absolutely clear as it seems that when make a post, first thing someone do is find the tiniest mistake, find a misspelling, ignore the entire subject and say I'm wrong for what ever reason, or ignore the entire point and find one little half of a sentence and make it into something it was not. or saying it was too long to read. So yeah, instead of writing about it later, I went on ahead and wrote it up front. That means if anyone does any of the above it's no question at all that it's not just a form of miscommunication, misunderstanding, or they just didnt know, but just a mere blantant attempt at being nothing more but a troll looking for trouble. And given the amount of the percentage that I make a post and one of the above happens is way too high, so I maybe it was that they didnt know. Now they do, no more excuses now. All new threads by me will have the first disclaimer and warning from now on.

    The costumes matched what I was going for there as a fallen angel themes character. The look of the stereotypical angel in many ways but as evil yet not evil as it can, and righteous but not righteous at it can get. She is one that is trying to get her own kingdom and rather upsurp both the heavens and the underworld and rule them both than follow either one of those pricks.
  10. Evil_Legacy

    The Last Resort

    When it especially comes to military stuff, usually a lot of inaccuracies in the TV shows and movies.
  11. Disclaimer: This post is long, AGAIN THIS POST IS LONG! If a person don’t have time to read it, that is fine, come back later when you do have the time and it's ok if you don’t read the post at all because you don't have the time. Yes, there may or may not be spelling and grammar mistakes, just like any other thread on this forum. I know that, no point in pointing them out. The format of this post is single spaced sentences with an extra space between paragraphs. I'm not a mind reader and don’t know everyone's format preference but if it the point is not clear, just ask in a respectful manner or don’t worry about it. If this format is not for you, this may be a good time to stop reading as the rest will be a waste of your time and at this point is not responsible if you choose to continue and waste your time. There are not many questions in this post; this is not a post about help. Help is really not needed here but if you insist on offering it and it is turned down, don’t get rude. Once again, I am not responsible if you decide to not heed this and feel like you wasted your time trying to be "helpful" anyways. I'm not trying to be rude for turning down your help, but really, none is needed here. Criticism, negative criticism, or "constructive criticism" that isn’t actually constructive, is not needed here. Apparently I have a hard time distinguishing between people trying to be "helpful" and people who are not here as some "helpful" people have ways of showing it that I find odd. So let’s do each other favor and just let it be. Just post your version about how you would play and keep to the topic. Lastly, this is my experience and my view, if your view is different, that is cool too, do tell, but please be respectful. The point of all this is so people now knows what they are getting into. If this is fine, continue reading. If not, it would be best to move on to another thread. Of course this is free country and you are free to do what you want, just keep in mind, so am I and that alone is enough reason for this post. Not trying to be rude at all, just letting people know exactly what they are getting into. For those that don’t know or don’t see the point of this introduction, this is to prevent any problems from past threads to carrying over to here and to keep things [b]strictly on the subject[b] at hand. If all of this is ok, read on and have fun. If you have anything to add about your experience with electric armor, by all means share. This is my Electric Armor build that fit my play style which may or may not be fitting for everyone else's play style thus I'm making not and guarantee, assumptions, vouching, or suggesting that my way is the way to build the Electric Armor nor am I insinuating, suggesting, or trying to prove that my opinions are fact. They are just my opinion and if your opinion differs, that is good too. Please share your version here but try to be respectful of my opinion and others as you would want them to respect yours.

    This disclaimer is not to cause problems, flame, troll, and excite a riot or anything. It is to just clarify things so things will not be misconstrued, misinterpreted, misquoted, or wasting anyone time because they didn’t know what they was getting into. That is all, nothing more nothing less, no disrespect intended, just trying to prevent repeat negative actions on threads from happening.

    Remember words on the screen are words on the screen. There are no physical social queues, tone of voice, nor other things that can be picked up in face to face contact. While it is best to not direct anything personal at me, or probably anyone else for that matter, keep in mind how the words can be interpreted by just reading. Let's not make a big deal out of nothing, again. Remember everyone is not the same nor will perceive messages and words on the screen the exact same way as you may have intended them to come out in your head. Reason for this disclaimer is to prevent the same things that have been happening in the past from re-occurring and that is all. Remember, as mentioned before, this is not to be rude at all.

    I just don’t want anyone feel like their time is being wasted, or feel they was blindly lead into a long post, or got the wrong assumption. On the same token, I'm not responsible for your time you feel you wasted, or offer help and feel dejected for it being turned down as I'm politely turning it down and all "help", "constructive criticism", "suggestions" right now. "Thank you for your concern and trying to help but I have the build and any other build the way I have found that I have the most fun with playing in the manner that I find the most enjoyable for my experience." Any help on a personal basis is turned down also in a polite manner also- "Thanks for your concern and trying to help but I think your help would be more helpful on someone else who is probably itching for that type for information you have available to share. Thanks for understanding." If you choose to not heed this information, then all I have to go by is what you write and what I perceive, which may be right or may be wrong but I'm leaving nothing to chance this time. If I missed something, it will be added to the next thread.
    : End Disclaimer

    !!WARNING!!-This is my experience and going through the thoughts of the time I spent in the game. This is not in any manner, way or fashion is trying to insinuate, suggest, tell, or demand that others should have same experience. This is neither a right nor wrong situation and thus everyone may not have the same experience as I have and thus I can only speak on mine and my time I spent in the game. There is no expectation to agree with anything here or meant to incite anything or hinder efforts, put anyone down, bring down hope, or anything. This may or may not be in the lines of the hopeful way of thinking. THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE LINE OF HOPEFUL THINKING! Making sure I said it twice just in case it got missed so that no one has to go out of their way to point that out or feel like this was pushed upon them. This way of thinking may or may not be in line with anyone or everyone's view and way of thinking. This is a fair warning. So if that is ok and can handle something that truly may not be anywhere on the same tangent of your way of thinking or view, then read on. If not, YOU ENTER AND READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!WARNING!! However you respond I'm more than likely will respond in kind. Attack me I'll attack you. Nitpick me, I'll nitpick you and so on. So we can actually discuss thing like adults for once, or go to the same thing as usual but you can never say it was forced upon you and stuff. You chose to come here, you chose to either read or not read heed or not heed the warning and that's on you. And yes I realize there may be misspelling mistakes, grammar errors and stuff so no need to point that out unless you never ever made a mistake of grammar/misspell in your entire life so pointing it out can only be taken as a blatant attempt to troll and will be responded to in kind. I rather not make a big deal over little things but if a person chose to try to pick something and make a big out of it, then I will respond in kind, fair warning. Many things have been said twice or more so that NO ONE can somehow miss it unless they just chose not to read it or take it. !!WARNING!!

    2006 was a good year for me. I was still working my up in my job field, my husband was doing well in his field, and there was this game that I bought a year ago sitting the on the shelf. All other games that were bought and not played within two weeks stayed in the box on the shelf. That is, except this game. The money that was paid to buy it was long written off about two days after I bought it, something about the description on the box that kept nagging at my curiosity. Up to this point I have yet to try any MMOs, and yet to try a super hero themed game. So one day I just decided to install it. January 2006 it was and after two days of playing, people in the game kept talking about a villain side of the house, so I went and bought COV too. Started on the Victory server at first, when PVP still existed there, the players were friendly even in the PVP zone, and the game was good. After getting the first hero (AR/Fire blaster) to level 25, I decided to try the villain side. I found out I liked being a villain a lot better and thus the blaster became a side show while the dark/dark corruptor rose in level quickly solo. Yet, I did occasionally teamed up with some old friends that I met up on hero side and had some PVP fun. If one side got thin, a couple of us would switch to the less populated side to keep the fights going. Fun times. Eventually the corruptor hit the level 40 cap (the level cap for villains at the time) and was put on the shelf while I traveled over to Liberty to make the first brute while at the same time making the first scrapper. Both reached 50 about the same time becoming the first level 50 hero and villain.

    Then the warshade was born. The Warshade shared time between it and the old corruptor until both hit 50 within days of each other, the Warshade hitting 50 first. Then after that didn’t play so much with occasional play on the blaster until it hit 35 then it was shelved again. Then the Stalker and the electric/electric brute and energy melee/stone brute came into existence. The stalker was fun and dabbled in PVP but by this time on Victory, the population started to wane. The Elect/electric brute was the pioneer for the stable for Freedom server. Although PVP has not decreased to near non-existence on Freedom at this time, so the elect/electric brute dabbled in it up to level 25 and then was shelved to work on the stoner brute back over on Victory. Teaming at this time, especially with the time difference of Germany, was rare and hard to come by so it was a solo effort. Actually the stone brute rolled through the levels like butter. Once the stalker and stoner got to 50, it was back over to Freedom to finish up the electric/electric brute until it hit 50 and then it was transferred over to virtue to join the newly created BS/regen scrapper, the WP/DB tanker, and the SS/WP brute. These three was probably the most fun to level to 50 solo overall and did it so quick solo that quite frankly, it was a blur and they all was shelved after hitting. Then it was back to Virtue and two MMS and on Dominator was created. The Merc/dark MM hit 50 very well and then the Dominator who hit 50 and then got transferred to Freedom but the other MM, the Thug/FF went to back burner for the moment as a new trio of toons was created.

    The toons that were the new trio, toons that had no ties what so ever to the prior creations were a WP/WM tank, which was a very fun ride from level 1-50, an earth/fire dom which was also fun and very sturdy for a squishy, and a SoA, which was interesting to play after level 26. Then there were three more a Demon/Thermal MM, one of my favorite concepts and costumes that fit the character like a glove, a shields/WM that was good concept but meh to play over all after playing the WP/WM, and an illusion/storm controller. After playing these there was another break for a few months and then came back with a wide range of characters that I barely remember, then one of the best sets of toons I found most enjoyable to play in a while was created; the electric/Staff Tank, the SS/WP tank and once that toon got to 40, it was followed up with a Fire/WM tank, which made me wonder why I didn’t create a fire tank a while ago. When all but the fire tank got to 50, then it was a focus on iTrial stuff again in full force. The electric/electric brute was the first one to get the alpha slot out of the stable the second day that incarnate materials went live. In the meantime while the rest of the incarnate content was being released, the fire/tank got to 50, a TW/Regen was created and got to 50 and few more toons were created. Then the electric/electric tank got into the incarnate stuff, with the SS/Regen brute and TW/Regen brute and all got to the various levels until I felt there was nothing more for them to do or had use for anymore and all was put on the shelf with the focus going back to the up and coming characters, like the Fire/WM tank, very powerful stuff; the dark melee/wp brute, also good stuff; the MA/Invul tanker, cool stuff; and the electric/energy melee tank, which is also a cool set to play with solo like the rest.

    At this point, most of the character’s storylines have ended. A few, especially the new ones didn’t end yet until the famous announcement was made and then that is when I came up with few endings for the newer level 50s. A few of the character's storylines will not end until Nov. 30th. After that day, all of that from 2006 until Nov. 30th 2012 will be a memory. At first it will be fresh, then it will be distant and probably by the time 2013 roll in, I probably won’t remember any of them but it was some good years playing most of those builds and the ones that have not been mentioned but if the story never comes to an end, the journey cannot be appreciated.
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay View Post
    I've received a suggestion that any Fandom (Harry Potter, Supernatural, Doctor Who, etc.) that gets three people requesting such gets its own section. So just like we have a Servers section here, we'd have a Fandoms section there.

    Thoughts?

    Also, reading the above. Thank you for the post.
    That sound like a good idea too.
  13. This not bad idea actually.

    As far as rules goes, probably the standard outline of rules would work BUT they must be clear concise and most importantly enforced and enforced fairly and evenly at all times.
    If it says, for example, off topic post that is not relevant to the thread is not allowed, then off topic posts that are not relevant to the thread should not be allowed. Or if it says no attacking other posters, then attacking other posters should not be allowed by anyone in any fashion regardless of their post count and or other factors.

    If it's a mad house, I probably won’t. If there some semblance of civilization, then I'll join in.

    One thing I wished I got out of the forum is more enforcement of the rules. Some days they enforce them some days they ignore them then they enforce them again, then they ignore them. It kind of made the rules a bit meaningless. Then again, it might have stemmed from that the rules were too vague. It says no trolling but maybe it should point out exactly what is constituted as trolling, attacking another player, insulting another poster compared to leaving a very large gray area.

    I do like the topics and ideas but would be nice if some actual deep topics can go beyond a page without someone coming in a throwing it off and the mods not doing a thing about it until 10-15 pages later, if ever.

    People tend to follow only rules that are enforced.

    The way this forum is broken down into sections is nice.


    Just my view and thought on the subject.
  14. Evil_Legacy

    Loregasm

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Positron View Post
    City of Heroes AMA (part 1?)

    That's a link to the doc, in case these boards get shut down, and because I don't want to clean it up for our forum posting format (if someone ELSE does, feel free to pad your postcount).

    Some answers are not satisfying. Some answers are made up, and that answer only exists in that doc. I tried to get everyone who was involved in the stuff at the end to answer the questions as best they could.

    MM: Matt Miller (Positron)
    JH: John Hegner (Protean)
    JAH: Jeff Hamilton (Arbiter Hawk)
    SM: Sean McCann (Dr. Aeon)
    RG: Ryan Greene (Viridian)
    TS: Tim Sweeney (Black Scorpion)

    If there is a miracle and somehow CoH is saved, we reserve the right to change any and all answers given in the doc, to maintain suspense and surprise.
    Interesting stuff.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
    Well, I don't know what to tell you. Not to be rude, but I think it's ridiculously obvious.


    Ok, then I wont worry about it.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
    Without the same degree of tragedy, it is like that. No matter how much we love this game, we're never going to rate with headlines about civil war, worldwide economic crisis, or even Hollywood drama. There aren't enough people interested, and there's not enough reason to get them to be. We have to keep perspective about what is reasonable for us to achieve even if we are wildly successful. Even astronomical levels of success for getting the word out for CoH's plight is still not likely to appear on the main page of a world news site or the front page of a news paper.

    That doesn't mean it's not worth doing. It just means we need perspective about what even "wild success" is likely to mean in practice.
    So might as well just settle for the media coverage among the gaming community and leave it at that? Sounds reasonable. Just wish that we could just actually get the word out, isnt of being just niche news. Dont think niche news will affect a large corporation's repuptation all that much as stated many times in TitanNEtwork postigs and some on here. It obvious that they probably written most of these customers off, figured that a few will go to their other games, most will leave, a few will gripe but will end up going to one of their other titles anyways for their gaming fix. By January, it probably will be buisness as usual for NCSoft regardless of what happens or the "media coverage" and it sure as hell wont cause any embarrassment if the word never gets out beyond a few underground blogs and a few gaming magazines that 90% of the population probably never heard of. It's like a few knats at a bbq that is a slight annoyance but stops nothing.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
    How often does a story about sales at, say Cisco, hit the mainstream news? Compare that to Apple. How many companies who basically only run websites have been in the mainstream news in the past, oh, ten years other than Facebook? How often do you read an article about Bing or Yahoo, as opposed to Google?

    Apple, Google, and Facebook all turn up in the news regularly because they have staggering user bases and are brand names immediately recognized world wide. (Well, actually Facebook and Google both struggle in some parts of the world, but then probably so do things like CNN and Fox. I see headlines about Apple, Google and Facebook all the time on the BBC World News, though.)

    There's a chicken and egg thing here, where if you make it far enough, you pick up inertia from networking effects that can keep you in the collective consciousness of at least certain regions or cultures, and being in the collective conscious makes things going on with you "news worthy".

    Almost no other game has achieved that besides WoW. I've never seen an mainstream news spot about subscriber counts for any other game but WoW, ever. I am not sure I've ever seen a television advertisement for any other MMO, either.
    Not sure how the first two paragraphs relate to what I was saying about this game getting a spot on Yahoo news, but yeah no other game has hit main stream news besides WoW it seems. But that doesnt mean things cant change. I mean if we are serious about getting some actual publicity outside the game world for this cause or what ever, then eventually have to move to a bigger media outlet.

    Hell, with all the "tons of media coverage" that this save the COX supposedly have, people have to search deep to find anything. Those people that know where to find this "coverage" probably already was a player of the game and or knew about the closing of this game within a week of the announcement. It's like saying the murder that occured on September 27th in Lubbock Texas is getting tons of media coverage yet, only appeared in a small column in the ad section of the local news paper.
  17. Evil_Legacy

    please read.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PSLAnimal View Post
    Little niggle? That's a niggle the size of the Hoover dam.

    You're wrong on this. Get over it.
    WTFE. You get over it. Even if it was $1 to make a box of ceral that sells for $5, still a scam and lot of money brought in per unit. And you still missed the entire point over a little niggle. If you missed the point, then that's on you. No sense in starting something over it. It's a little niggle that you are tryign to make a big deal over it. If you think it's a big deal, then YOU think it's a big deal. Dont try to make it my problem. I suggest that you leave it alone. I have nothing else to say on that matter as I can see that all you want to do is start an arguement over something that is not even worth argueing about. Argue by yourself as I'm not falling for it. Good day to you.
  18. That cool but what happens if something "breaks" while on the road?

    "What happened?"

    "Well I was sleep on my way to the club and all of a sudden I ended up here."

    "Well son, I hate to break it to you, but you are dead. The automatic control in your car went hey wire, took a left turn into on coming traffic and you got smashed by a Peterbilt."

    "Is my family suing the car maker?"

    "The car maker will claim it's driver's error and grease few hands and the case will get thrown out and your property will be auctioned to pay for the damage to the truck and claimed injury to the driver to a tune of 3 million. Your auto insurance says they are not liable to pay anything since technically you was not the driver. $5 will go to buffing out the damage that you did to the truck, the rest to the driver. Well anyways, welcome to the afterlife, have fun. I have to attend to another soul that met their end from a malfunction of the autodrive device."
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon View Post
    You do realize that a person born 9 years after that movie was in the theater would - today - not only be old enough to have played City of Heroes since launch, they'd also be old enough to drink and have done a tour in the military or gotten a bachelor's degree.

    Yeah... I'm feeling old now too.
    tell me about it. I ws born year before that movie came out. Oh well...Onward towards the sunset of death!!
  20. Evil_Legacy

    please read.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    As I recall back around 2000-2001 I read that the raw materials that go into making the cereal itself ran about 15 cents per box. However the packaging, shipping, sales, promotion and advertising total 48 percent of the price of a box of cereal.

    People always focus on the cost of the raw material and ignore all the other costs.



    Now if you want to talk about people getting scammed on food talk about bottled water.
    yea one of the biggest scams out there.
  21. Evil_Legacy

    please read.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PSLAnimal View Post
    You've never run a business, have you?

    Even if I accept your premise that there are three cents of material cost in a box of cereal - I don't, but let's start there anyway - you also have to pay for:

    - All of the production and transportation costs involved in growing the grain, processing it, and moving it to the mills for production. This includes pay, benefits and so on for all the people involved.
    - All of the production and transportation costs involved in producing packaging materials. This includes pay, benefits and so on for all the people involved.
    - Fixed costs of the production facility - mortgage and interest costs on the physical plant, capital expenditures on equipment, maintenance costs, property taxes, various other local, state and Federal fees and levees.
    - Payroll for your production staff, including benefits and insurance costs.
    - Marketing, advertising, product research and new product development costs, including competition research.

    Also, at some point you are going to have to show a profit. That's what companies are there to do. Their purpose is not to provide you with yummy goodies for breakfast out of the goodness of their hearts; they are there to return a profit to their shareholders.

    So, no, it does not cost three cents a box to manufacture cereal. General Mills, a freaking enormous manufacturer of breakfast cereals as well as many other comestibles, right now is returning a profit margin of 13.55%. That's really not very good. It's a lot lower than the profit margin of companies like Apple at 25.19%.

    Please read before making silly statements like this.
    Ok then, "buisnesses are our best friends and out to look out for us and our well being." Now, is that better for you, "Mr miss the entire point to focus on one little niggle"
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter View Post
    I never let a job go for a game. But of all the MMO's I've played, this is the only one that ever kept me up so long that I went temporarily blind via my first ever aural migraine.

    But WoW has done far more damage than that to people, and... well... I don't see that hurting the game at all.
    oh no not talking about talking about hurting the actual game. Just the fact that you have to work 5-20 times as hard to get something positive some news coverage while they will quickly latch on to some poor WoW player that stayed up for days on the game powered only soda that kicks bucket in middle of a raid.
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Captain-Electric View Post
    There's only one way I'll ever bring up Hitler on the Internet. So, here's Hitler, getting a black eye.

    (There's also that cat picture I posted that one time.)



    Quinch actually made a legit thread and in less than four posts it answered the OP's question in flying colors. I could have just linked to the third post by Alpha Wolf and called it a day.

    Everything else we did here yesterday was a waste of time, including everything I posted, unless you consider lame arguments on the Internet to be worth our while and instrumental to saving City of Heroes.

    The fact is, while I was busy deflecting all the poo that everyone was flinging in Mercedes Lackey's direction in some random Internet argument she'll never read, she was busy actually helping to save City of Heroes--composing one of the most eloquent certified letters to CEO Songyee Yoon I've read yet, written from one successful woman, a New York Times bestseller, to another successful woman at the top of NCSoft; and written to appeal to some of South Korea's entertainment industry's most popular cultural artifacts.

    Call these efforts useless if you will, but if you keep doing it here, in some dying forum that no one will ever read, while the targets of your ire are out there soaking in the gaming media's spotlight...well, good luck and have fun being such "realists."

    Please go to www.SaveCoH.com, write letters, send masks and capes, writes posts on other forums, write open letters to NCSoft in comment sections beneath articles covering SaveCoH on gaming and other news sites. Do something to help save City of Heroes, and then come judge the disingenuousness of other peoples efforts.
    cool stuff but always thought the CEO of NCSoft was Taek Jin Kim, since 2010. But hey something must pf changed recently.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
    Personally, I've been finding the experience too sombre in-game. It's just not as fun playing on a death clock, and really... I'm not going to "play" something that isn't fun. I'll definitely keep up on the forums, of course, and maybe I'll be able to forget about the end after a while, but here's the thing - the forums won't let me.

    Take a browse through the front page of City Life and you'll notice that most of the threads have to do with "90 days to the apocalypse" or various goodbyes, or discussing the game's fate and so forth. It's like you're at a party that's winding down, everyone's getting their jackets, the waiters are picking up tables... And you're being asked to go down to the dance floor and have fun. Not how it works, really.

    I honestly wouldn't feel so bad if we weren't so fixated on THE END and could actually talk about something else. Remember how much fun it was when we could discuss a variety of topics, like game design or storytelling or writing and so on? Hell, right now the most fun I've had on these forums in days is discussing the nature of anthropomorphic characters, roughly in the context of Guild Wars.

    I apologise for being disruptive, because I know these aren't nice things to say, but... I just enjoy City of Heroes more when it's a game and an idea than when it's a CAUSE!!! It can still be a cause, make no mistake, but I wish it could be more than just that.
    I know what you mean.