Evil_Legacy

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...294453&page=12.

Thirty-Seven knows why.

I looked at the person (replace Thirty-Seven with I) was quoting. It's not you, so I don't know why you're getting your panties in a twist. And what you said is what I was thinking when he did it to me. Just got tired of his nonsense so I struck back finally.


On another note if pointing out other people's mistakes is getting the panties in a bunch, it seemed no one thought that when people was pointing out my mistakes, even the most minor ones. But then when I do it, oh I'm the one with my panties in a bunch.

In the future when I'm feeling for a little nostalgia, I might come on over and read it.

You misspelled tangentially and "Which is tangentally related" is an incomplete sentence.

Try not to point out my errors, especially on old posts, while making mistakes yourself.

Yeah, so anyone have the computer space to store all of this stuff? They might be able to do it right now, especially with the walkthroughs and stuff.

it might work.

true.

I dont think NCSoft would havea problem with that or maybe they will. I'm not sure if the laws of owner ship applies to forums and the stuff in it or not. Then again, depending on how things go, those items may be a moot and n/a to the new developed game.

That does seems to be the case. Havent seen a straight answer on the subject.

Probably, maybe, and depends.

Now the community based thing (As far as Titan Network workings) may work as they seem to have some good ideas, people that seem to know what they are doing, and they seem to have somewhat of a buisness handle on it.

Ideas and things that look good on paper may not go so well over all. They say it's being built by the commuity but how many of the community actually have a say in it and or contributed a say? If this game has 170,000 members, and would like to go beyond that, with the tagline of community built, then there are alot of stuff to consider. But most of it is way down the line before it becomes important, like is the game only going to be available on the internet and what places will be advertised at? If it's only on gaming sites, and sites that only people that even heard of COH knows what it is and the significance, then it will be a major uphill battle to even reach ten percent of the peak population/profts.

Look at how many people said this was their first MMO. And for some, I came across this game on a store shelf.

I think they will be successful with the community based game at least the first few months guranteed, if they follow through with the plans, but the unproven area is how they deal with bugs, complaints, ideas etc. that may not come from an old member, and competition, and finding a balance between the ideal gamer's mind and the ideal buisness model. I think they can take of NCSoft's mistake, lack of advertising, and turn it into their favor by buying actual spots in various places where the usual MMO game commercial is a WoW or the likes. I mean, I know some people come and gone but I havent seen much (relatively) saying that COX sucks. Most people that came across this game seemed to have enjoyed it at least at one point in time or another I1-I23. I think even if we had 100% more advertising for the this game, which still wouldnt have amounted to much, the player base would of been even larger.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that any effort is doomed, but I think there is alot of stuff that goes into that is not always a movie finish glorious battle in order to reach profits beyond what NCSoft did. Remember at around 2004/2006, it was making more than four times the amount of profits then it was now. Yet, the population while it had some dips and decreases all that much, so something else was chomping into those profits that wasnt just pure population level. OH wait, dang forgot, that prior to free to play ever member meant $15 after f2p it could be either way. Ok belay the above. Didnt consider some stuff.

Yea, which will make them then invest even less in the NA market until they might just pull out totally in the future. Might be a good thing might be a bad thing. This is like that never ending circle or the chicken and the egg. I guess they realize they not sure what the US market are looking for while at the same time trying to find the next WoW money making game, but invest little so when it dont live up to expectation, they wont lose so much when they axe it, but then that furthers degrade their reputation which starts the process all over again. What title are we on now? Number 5 or 6?

yeah that is assuming those member actually come to the forum. If you go to member's list and put the post count from low to high, there are at leat a few dozen pages with members that never made a post. Some might be lurkers though. Many of those members may not even know about the petition. I came across on virtue server, many people who never been to the forum.

Yep. And that is why the 5 paragraphs are not going away. People react to stupid behavior in different ways, and like I said before the warning is not to prevent, it's just points things that people may not know that I find a tad rude. As one guy said (before this warning even existed) well how was I suppose to know? You never told me and Im not a mind reader." IN a way he was right, maybe although he came off as rude maybe he didnt mean to or was normal for him. Now, I dont even have to try to figure out if I over reacted to an innocent or what not and stuff. Now it's laid out, so now, trolls are easy to spot. And you think this criticism is bad. Actually this is slow. You should look at the posts that dont have this warning and nothing but rudeness, misunderstandings, insults, and the likes. This is actually going very well overall in compare and same with the other two post that have the warning. Not many replies, but it's quiet and not many trolls, not mnay ones that trying to look like they are trying to help, not people that are actually trying to be helpful when there was no help wanted ot needed. I'm liking this compared to the rest.
There will always be some complaining and one or two. But it's day two and barely through the second or third page. The other posts have been beyond 8 pages by now. I know it may be annoying to some that dont know the history but look back on it and you might even realized I should of made it longer.

I'm talking about the reason of killing off COX that is based on facts. Isee the reasons why companies and investors wouldnt kill off a porduct, but not the fact of why COX killed off COX. Those facts. I am paying attention. Make sure yoou know what I'm talking about before telling me to pay attention.
Plus profits is nt anything to investors. They rather see growth.

You are right about this. I'm going to do this. Then that means I wont even have to worry about looking at it.

Now we are getting somewhere. The intended audience is meat this point. I prefer this format and I can read it.

and those facts are...?

Your problem not mine. Solve it.

What ever you say. Either way, there is no talking me out of this Warning thing. As you said, and prove the need for this, you said they wasnt rude, you said they didnt come in drove. I viewed it as different story. But that is your view and I have mine. And you actually proved a point why the warning is needed. Now, there is no more "hey, I was just trying to help." and no more accidentially putting people that may have and or may have not been trying to truely help in the wrong place. And yea I can be wrong and have admited it when I was. 90% of my posts are not about trying to be wrong or rigth but rather what I feel, and people come in say I'm wrong like they know what I'm suppose to feel. And I cant be wrong? Yea, most people on here carry themselves as never be wrong even when they clearly are such as trying to tell me what I feel. What I feel is what I feel and unless you are me, you have no idea about what I feel is the way I view it. Just as if someone says "I feeling sad." And I reply, "no, you're wrong, you are feeling happy." Either way read it or dont. That is up to you. When I had the reader in mind, it was thrown back in my face. Now when I stop caring about the reader, all of a sudden they complain about that too. So I figured hell, might as well do what I do and write what I write because regardless someone will always have some complaint about it. There you have it. I have placed no burden on anyone but they should stop complaining if they choose to click on the link, and read it anyways and place the burden upon themselves. As mentioned earlier, I have no control over people's actions. I can advise them, I can warn them, and so on, but if they choose to not listen, there is nothing I can do.

You chose that burden to read it or what ever you had to do to read it. I didnt force you, didnt twist your arm, didn even PM you and tell you that you should read this. Nope, you went out of your way, chose to click on it, chose to read it, chose to copy and paste it, and chose to reply. Those are your choices. Dont put that crap on me.

Well I Think that covers everything that is needed to be explained. When you are ready to talk about the actual subject, let me know. Until, then I'm not changing a dang thing. That is my choice. It's your choice to read it or not. No one is forcing you, no one even asked you to read it. You made the choice. You could have easily just ignored it but you chose not to. Your choice to make, not mine. There are thousands of other posts that may be more of your taste. This one may not be to your taste standards or whatever.

I guess you missed the part where I said I didnt need/want any help. If they was trying to help, which seemed to me they was just trying to understand something, and the results wasnt to their liking, it clearly states in the warning that no help is need/wanted.

Wake me up when you are ready to stick to a topic for once. Even on short posts, you never managed to do that. Well nothing more to say on the purpose of the warning, unless I have to post these last three posts and add it to the warning too as it seems that I may have missed something that you are not getting and wouldnt want other people to miss it too.

You really proved why the warning is important. Thanks.

hmmm. Makes sense.

So it's like the first and last of it's kind? A well liked first and last of it's kind?

Like a favorite ice cream that Breyers killed off that no one else makes? One that you used to be able to find all the time on the shelf then all of a sudden, nothing?

Ok we understand it was a buisness decision. We understand buisness is there to make money. And with that, they tend to listen to investors.

I wonder if the players actually bought stock in NCSoft, would we have hada bigger say, since then we'd be part of that investors group that they listen to.

Have anyone actually put any money into that company besides the product that they paid for? Meaning did anyone actually invest? And since profits margins are slim usually when people buy a product as a couple people have pointed out, buying the product aka, a subscription in this game wouldnt count.

Already knew this. Just was using the logic that was given to me.

I guess you never seen any other thread I made or comments and see what they do.
It's not controling other people nor is the intent is to prevent attack. I know it will happen but this is merely to clear up any miscommunication on things. Sometimes someone might be actually just be trying to be friendly and help but do it in a snarky way that I dont get. Then some might have the pure intentions of causing havoc. The problems with letters on a screen is that intent cannot be read. It's hard to do in real life and hundreds time harder online. That way when i respond, some joker that walks in on middle cant say, "You're over reacting!" or being unreasonable. Now it's all laid out there.

I dont think they will come in droves because of this. They already do come in droves even more so without it, like some of my posts about specific builds that dated pre-this warning. Yea, some went ten pages of nothing but stuff that had nothing to do with the topic, that might have been just a misunderstanding. And that is the point of the first part to eliminate the misunderstanding and make everything clear, aka, my mindset. So then they cant play innocent. I dont care who reads my posts or respond. My posts are my thoughts that I write down.

When people stop with the nonsense and over look their behavior but get on my case as soon as I address their rudeness then the first part will become moot. Until then, it stays as things dont seem to be clear without it and noone now can say I'm "jumping to conclusions or anything."


Like one example, before the first part existed. One guy corrected a mispelling that I made in a way I percieved in a rude manner. Oh man, did people come out the wood work. Come to find out after a while, he didnt mean anything by it and he didnt know that it seemed rude to do that. Even when things was clear between us, oh hell others couldnt let it go. When they called me all types of stuff, including paranoid and worse, which I really dont like to be called because it do kind of come off as saying I'm crazy, and I really dont like to be called crazy. Yet when I addressed the rude people, more people jumped on my case even before I got rude with them. Yet, not a single person came in said, "hey, maybe you guys are taking this too far." Not a single person. Yet, without hesitation, they jumped on my case. No more misunderstandings. Now people know what exactly they are getting into and if they choose to read fine if not, good for them. If they choose o respond, now they know what type of response to expect back in return.

People will complain about anything and they have. They complained when it was too short and baout the details left out, they complain it's too long and etc. Now they cant complain about it being too long because the first statement clearly states, this post is long. If they complain it was too long too read, then what can I say? I told you so? It said so right there, didnt even have to read two sentences before it said it's a long post, in bold letters. So since they complain about anything, I expected them to complain about the warning but hey, it didnt come to gain a response. It was created in the response I have been treated on this forum. No more misunderstandings is what it eliminate. Some people might think they are being helpful when they nit pick. I find it rude as hell. They wouldnt know this unless I said so. And when I wait for them to nit pick and say so...well you can see the result in other threads. Now it's written. Now I can easily see a troll from a mile away.

If they lay off with complaining about everything I post and nit picking this will go away. But since they dont have the maturity to do that, then it stays and they can whine about it all they want. It's expected as that's all they do anyways.

I'm not sure where people got it in their heads that I write for them. No, I write for me as no matter what I write, they wont stick to the subject anyways and the non-jerks dont have the balls to call them out on it because I guess they are afraid they will get kicked out the "cool kids club". So I'm on my own and had to create my own way to deal with it. What else was expected?

If people come and in join in on the subject that is fine. If not, that is cool too. If the warning is keeping them away, then that is cool too. Most of them dont even reply to the posts without it, so then I doubt it's the warning or the length of the post it is just something convienent for them to complain about.


But on the topic, yeah I had a good time in the game playing those characters. I'll probably make a post about the times I had with the ones that didnt make it to 50. Guess I might as warn them now. That post will be longer than this as there about as twice as many characters than have been mentioned here. Fair warning. It will be titled 2006-2012 less than 50. Now if long posts keep people away and they just so happen to come here and find this one too long, I must say now, when you see that title, no point in bothering. It will be long.

They will choose any reason to not read it or complain. On the short ones, they nit pick everything that is left out, meaning I would have to write three or four pages anyways, and then when it is three or four pages, they complain it's too long. There is no winning with those types of people and they will not read it either way and always find something to say about anything and everything except actually reading the subject and commenting on that. There are some posts that are barely three sentences long, and the responses are, "what about this, what about that. You forgot that, you forgot this. You did not spell *insert any word* correctly and so on. If they stop doing that, which the beginning is in response to, then there will be no need for it. But since they probably wont, I see the beginning is going to be around for a while until Nov 30th and or when this forum is shut down. If they didnt complain either way, then it would be easy to try to make things shorter but given history is that they stilled complained. They complain when it's too short, they complain when it's too long, they complain when something is left out they complain when something is added. There is no pleasing them so what did they expect to happen? For me to continue to play that game and go in circles trying to please someone who cant be pleased and will complain no matter what? Nope, so I just post until I get the entire thought out regardless of length because regardless of length, they still will complain. When they stop complaining, then we can work something out. If they chose not to read it, then good for them. I'm not worried if they read it or not anymore. They dont read anything I write anyways, so what is the poitn of shortening it for people that are not going to read it even if it's one word and then take the topic off to another tangent.
I bet I can make a post that only have one word, "ugg" and someone will come in starting trouble, one of the usuals that no one ever calls out because they are popular, and say something like "I'm not a caveman! You're a noob!".

Well that happens to lots of products.

But as he mentioned, if a change was made and he didnt like it, he'd go buy a different brand.

This wasa change by definition, a change to take a product and kill it, so it still stands as, why not go buy a different brand?

If say an MM lover was making a fuss about the company discontinuing say, the blue MMs and people made a fuss, most people would look at them like they lost their mind. Others will do what Ironblade said and go buy another brand.

Probably why they are focusing on more Asian oriented games after the closure of COH. Maybe they figure that the market here for them has been shrinking, maybe because of the decision maybe not. It would be foolish of them to continue to put a whole bunch of asset behind a NA/EU style game if their reputaion is hitting rock bottom here.