Evil_Legacy

Originally Posted by TrueGentleman

Quite so, and this includes covering the MMO industry in general.

This means that if they cover NCSoft and its games, they're not doing their job if they overlook the company's past behavior, which wasn't exactly that of a paragon of corporate rectitude. Anyone who now reports on Blade & Soul or Wild Star ought to note that they're coming from a publisher notorious for abruptly terminating promising games. Since MMOs require a medium- to long-term investment from their players, that's a pretty damning reputation.

Originally Posted by DarkCurrent

Nexon owns the largest chunk of NCSoft shares. That gives them the largest voting block for decisions made in the boardroom. They can swing votes in their favor such as who the chairman is or is not.

We don't know what they've said or done internally as their controlling interest only developed about 3 months ago. Nor do we know what their meeting schedule is like.

What we do know is 2 months after they became the loudest voice at the table, Paragon was closed. A 180 swing from what NCSoft was doing before the announcement.

People want to say that this was just one bad quarter and not some panic button. Okay, then why pull the trigger on paragon and 'refocus' your corporation's direction if that's true?

I think there's a connection. I think Nexon could very well have said to NCSoft 'Hey you're losing money and you need to do something. Trim the fat or we'll find a CEO who will.'

Do you think Nexon is happy that they've lost 70 million in NCSoft stock value since they bought their shares? If it was you, and you had the largest share percentage, would you just sit there and tell yourself it's just one bad quarter?

Originally Posted by N0_REM0RSE

While not optimistic, at least their response is REALISTIC. It's not threatening or defaming NCSoft ar portraying them as the fictional villains from the game. I'd say they were adjusting and recovering from the loss of a favored game better than many on this forum.

Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU

I play games that I enjoy, it just so happens that City of Heroes was my 1st mmo, and one that I did enjoy to pick up and play every now and then.

Yes, I knew from previous experience that NCsoft could kill a title, but i went into MMO playing from the very outset that nothing lasts forever.

I just kept my expectations "low" as to how long a title would last, just to prevent myself from becoming too attached to a game (I have loved and lost over the years, including the death of an ex fiancee). So since then, I treated every day as something semi special.

Originally Posted by N0_REM0RSE

Actually, it's over when THEY say it is. Again, you can't FORCE them to do anything. I've even read where people have been given a task to find a way to seriously offend and shame the people in Korea that work for NCSoft. Yeah, this is how we want to come off as Americans, politically incorrect and offending YET ANOTHER CULTURE. The BS is getting really thick and really rancid, and I'm not talking about NCSoft's announcement here.

Some people are acting like impetuous children, trying to offend all Koreans with the way they're making racist and inappropriate comments. It's not like NCSoft insulted America (now here is where someone shows how immature they are by saying they did), they made a business decision. People don't like it, but you know what? THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, and things like this happen daily in all sorts of industries.

Guys seriously find a way to come to grips with this, even if you're going to keep trying to get the game to endure. DON'T do anything that will shame ALL of US. Making an *** of yourself won't shame them it will shame US. If you're not able to move on with your life, then may I suggest some therapy? Games, movies, tv shows, etc get cancelled and close down all the time. If you can't survive this then that says something about your life, and maybe you should spend more time investing in your life so you don't need something like this game to find happiness.

For anyone interested, I started playing the game in May of '04 and have 4 active accounts. I have played this game as long as just about anyone, but it is just a game. It's not more important than my family, my health, my life, my career, etc all of which I am lucky enough to still have.

Originally Posted by DarkCurrent

That's quite possible. Not sure how long it's been in the works though. Seems odd they'd just shoot it dead and close a successful game to boot.

All I see is a 180 policy shift on their part. A smoking gun lies at Nexon's feet not NCSoft if you ask me.

Originally Posted by EnigmaBlack

Shareholders generally only care about one thing... profit and stocks sea saw up and down all the time. The way they handled the closing of Paragon Studios and ending the game may not effect them in the long run, only time will tell. While I personally will never knowingly have anything thing to do with any game or company involved with NCSoft ever again, there are potential gamers out there that #1 don't know NCSoft's history or #2 Don't care about NCSoft's history. People seem to have the memory of a fruit fly and are very forgiving when it comes to parting with their hard earned cash in exchange for entertainment.

I have the feeling that the blow back from this CoX fiasco will end up being more like a shin kick to NCSoft instead of the kick to its nuts (followed by a double back hand slap) like I'd like it to be...

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

Let me translate...

Originally Posted by Aggelakis

Either you are under 20 or you have lived under a rock for 30 years.

Originally Posted by BrandX

Why I asked how much they were wanting for it.

If they said a million dollars, Id say that sounds reasonable if they had no plans to ever do anything with it again.

If they said 20 million dollars, Id say that doesn't sound reasonable if they had no plans to ever do anything with it again.

But I don't know their plans at all, but since they said they were willing to sell the IP but there was no takers, I just wonder why no one would spend the million.

Originally Posted by BrandX

*sigh* Really not the news I wanted to hear. Though I question only one part of the response, and that's "No one wanted to buy it"?

How much were they asking for it? o.O I can't believe no one was willing to buy it.

Originally Posted by Tenzhi

I wish *I* could get paid for simply voicing a pragmatic outlook...

It seems to me that a real "plant" would be less overt, though. I'd imagine that the best way to be effective would be to actually join the efforts to save CoH and passive-aggressively destabilize them from within.

Originally Posted by blackjak

Has NcSoft even sent out any invites to their other games to VIPs? No "Hey. We know you really like that game that we killed, but here's a shiney to make it all better." mentality? I'd think that some sort of sub package for GW2 at least to make the hurt better (for them) would be in order.

Originally Posted by Father Xmas

I can see the court case now when someone decided to skip patching their car and then something bad happens.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Are you talking about the real world, or an episode of Columbo?

Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen

NCSoft is already not likely to get another dime from tens of thousands of subscribers. That's already a Pyrrhic victory.

Originally Posted by Atlantea

I love it that NCSoft feels the need to have plants within the community to try and demoralize us. Love all the negative "Be Realistic" posts from the corporate shills.

Originally Posted by Brillig

Actually, I don't think it would go beyond a cease and desist order. It just wouldn't be worth their lawyers' time to go after people who couldn't pay a million dollar judgement anyway.

Originally Posted by Lazarillo

There aren't really any other practical solutions, however, for people who want to play the game. And really, who would be unhappy, except NCsoft? And really really, who cares what NCSoft thinks?

Originally Posted by Brillig

Which is one reason why I think the whole Titan effort is toxic.

Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven

That's human nature diluting the original meaning of the term. You get mad at someone arguing with you on the Internet? Well, obviously that person is a troll! It's a way of trivializing your opponents in an argument so that you don't have to actually think about their point of view as being at all relevant. Pretty insulting, actually.

Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven

A troll is someone who says things specifically to get a rise out of people and anger them. Often such people don't even care what the topic is really about or even bother to have opinions on it one way or the other. Their goal and their focus is to raise the ire of the other posters. Once they know what gets under their skin, whatever that happens to be, they will use that to get as many people mad as possible, and then laugh at the results.

Sometimes, trolling can evolve into a form of performance art. But only sometimes.

Originally Posted by Brillig

Not sure what it has to do with anything, but yes, I played on Virtue. Casual RPer. In no way a grinder, less than a dozen 50's. Been around from the beginning as you can see from my forum reg date.

Regarding what NC did, I'm of the camp that believes that the main decision NC made was to close Paragon. They did so because they didn't believe that the secret project Paragon was working on was going to be successful. Once the decision was made to shut down the secret project, it made no sense to keep part (half?) the studio just to run CoH.

As in many situations, it's misleading to think that NCSoft are the black hats here. They may have been the ones pulling the plug in the end, but it's the result of numerous factors, which also include Paragon's inability to build up CoH (no matter how much you love it, the game was in a slow decline) and Paragon's inability to succeed in making a second game that fit NCSoft's requirements. NCSoft is no doubt complicit in both those failures. But to say that Paragon is blameless is both naive and, in a way, insulting to Paragon.

Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Community Managers for $1000, Alex.

"He was a class act through the City of Heroes sunset, also known as Zwillinger."



Correct! And that brings you to the lead.

Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven

Now now. People always insist on thinking that "troll" means "person who says things I don't like and/or don't agree with."