EvilGeko

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The most unreasonable nerf they've ever made was to debt in I5(yeah, I know allmost everyone disagrees, but you're wrong.)

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Why was it unreasonable? I'm not in disagreement, I just wonder why.

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We level too quick, and can't afford enhancers. Thus indirectly nerfing our power level without having to actually have the stones to do it like men (and women)!

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Constant whining is one thing to devs, but when the whiners haver a point... it's something else.

Regen really needs DP and QR to function in a team of any size(with the exception of playing with a good kinetics,) So nerfing them would be an act of pure evil. And, whether you like it or not, the devs aren't evil. The most unreasonable nerf they've ever made was to debt in I5(yeah, I know allmost everyone disagrees, but you're wrong.)

The only reasonable nerfs for DP and QR weould be to make DP perma with 6 slots instead of four, and put QR down with stamina for end recovery.

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I generally agree that the devs are reasonable and decent people. But with Regen they have just lost perspective.

Expect more nerfs.

I need some positive assurance here. Does anyone really believe that they are going to leave QR alone?

The facts:

1. Rest recharge reduced to less than a 1/3 of its original recharge

2. Vigilance

3. Endurance reductions all over the place.

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I think they're setting up either a massive positive change that would make Stamina truly optional. In such a world, QR might be seen as overpowered.

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they are setting up "teh ubar nerf" of Stamina and QR and if we don't like it we can go [censored by me] ourselves.

OR

all of the above plus a nerf to Dull Pain for questioning their intentions.

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Well we're boogered. Looks like Regen is still the best secondary. Expect more nerfs in I6.

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ROFL. It's too bad we are getting nerfed.

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I think you're right. The ball is in motion. End rdx all over the place, rest timer changes. it's coming.

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You know if they actually get endurance costs back on Earth and under control, I wouldn't have the slightest problem with QR and Stamina going away.

The powers aren't fun in and of themselves. They're necessary because endurance costs in this game are obscene.

People just want to play a fast paced fun game. I don't want extended downtime. That's why I've always said, I'll play Regen even if it was just QR and Recon. Of course, who knew the devs would take me seriously.

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Had to post one more time....

100th post. It should definitally be here.

Wow, been here since Beta and 100 is all I have.

Someone argue with me, I need to get my post count up more! :P

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Grats. And you haven't been here since Beta. Not that I know since I wasn't here since beta, but I couldn't think of anything else to argue about.

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They'll leave the Invuln version alone and nef the regen version only. Rationalization: dull pain increases the regen rate of IH and INT beyond what the devs think is reasonable.

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But see then they will nerf IN and IH anyway because God forbid that they have to choose ONE nerf, any of which would solve the problem!

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The sad thing is, we'd still last a long time... Well, unless it was monster island... oh crap! /e hands over mouth


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We'd still do it. I would organize chains of regens jousting one monster at a time, using LBE, Impale, etc. Scrapperlock cannot be defeated.

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Two words: Ice Armor.

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The ironic thing was that I was hoping that with my ice tank I could avoid all the nerfs regen was getting (and enjoying my suddenly stacky armors). If ice armor proves anything it's that any set, no matter how inadequate already, can be nerfed worse.

But then this is a +def tanker primary that can't stack the +def from ANY pool +def power with their armors. And lost about 70% of it's +def. Yay.

I wonder if this is why I find myself tooling around with Dash lately - at least he's more survivable. This is why I truly expect more nerfs in issue 6. My BS/Regen is sturdier than my ice tanker - withour without the Parry that, with only 2 slots added, outperforms an ice tanker's +def to melee attacks.

That and... he's still a fun character, with the again-needed freespec to make use of the nerfs. I dread i6.

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See that was the problem. Too many of you followed that plan and the devs took notice. The Geko meter that that wicked man uses to take away our fun, noticed that a spike occurred in the Ice Tanker population.

That is not allowed. So nerf with ye.

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You know, all this talk about Regen makes me want to make one. Maybe a spines/regen Then I can pop on the boards every once in a while and talk about how I just soloed a +5 AV with nothing but faster healing and brawl on auto while I went out to eat at Denny's.

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Gimp. Don't you know Regens kill AVs with our green minty coolness. No attacks needed.

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You know I'm really tempted to start a new regenner and purposely skip everything past Int. Just to see how well that works. Take tough and weave, maybe aid self and such and just see if I turn out better off or not. As is my 50 has only reslience and IH and IH has only one recharge and I seem to get by.

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Working on a Spines/Regen with that plan. I might take Resilience, though because I'm running out of stuff I want.

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You'll probably jump on me with your ford focuses again for this one, but...

I don't think regen Is going to get nerfed. It's not overpowered, and for the first time in ages, no one's complaining about how vastly superior it is. Whether you want to admit it or not, most power changes come because of whiners, especially lately. Things like lower debt, containment, lower end DA, and vigilance are all because of whiners. And how many people do you know whining that DP in regen is overpowered? I would hastily assume none. Past that, how many people are whining that stamina is overpowered? Actually, a lot of people (cough cough THE ENTIRE DEFENDER FORUM cough) are complaining it's required for all builds.

I think we're going to see more end reduction before we see any change to stamina. As for DP... just stop talking about it, and the no one will notice how good it is!

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There was a very long post in the AT forum about how Scrapper DP should be eliminated. Do not underestimate the pettiness of nerf-herders. They're scruffy looking.

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Okay okay, you're all going to go all ZOMGLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZZZZ!!!!!!!!fordfocus1!! on me for this, but i like revive. Sure it's the worst rez power... but it's still way better than awakens.

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I'll admit it's better, but with Resilience I'm not so sure I would say it's WAY better. More like...very slightly kinda better but jeez aren't there about 12 powers you would prefer maybe 15 better.

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Revive is a lackluster power. Weakest of the self rez powers and as with all of them requires you to be defeated to even be useful. Personally I would rather take something that helps prevent that defeat then take a power I can only use if defeated.

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At least Revive isn't the level 32/38 power.

*cough*Riseofphoenix*cough*

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It's pretty though! Revive you just stand up.

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As opposed to things like "SR sucks" or "don't take revive."

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Right. The difference is that this quote is a statement of objective truth. Especially the first clause.

You know I just want to reiterate, that Regens KICK BUTT!!

Why?

Regens are always out to help each other. I just read the pre-release of Fanboy's DP guide, and I note that any newbie Scrapper can get a hand here.

I've tried several times to get help on my Controller on their boards without success. Regens take all the nerfs and still make a kick butt character.

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...I just made a Katana/Regen scrapper, but I'm afraid now of getting attached to him.

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My plan is to take mine to L50 before Issue 6.

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You only got a bit more than a month. GET CRAKIN'

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Regen scrappers were the most overpowered AT on the game (circa I3)

I remember 6-slotting resilience, stealth, tough and weave, hasten and IH - and doing a better job than most tanks while pumping out quality dps.
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mmmm, we were good but we weren't that good. high level invul and fire tankers were doing so crazy [censored] stuff too. And they've had their share of drastic changes too. As good as havok's vids were, an invuln or fire could still do twice that.

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The problem with the old regain, if you'll accept a regan noobs option, wasn't that it was the most powerful defencive set in the game... I think that belonged to I4 Invuln tanks... but it was extreamly powerful, really really easy to us, and had just about zero down time thinks to quickly refilling green and blue bars.

When you mix them 3 aspects, power, ease of use, and almost no down time, you get a very popular power set to us and play. and that's what you guys had. every scrapper and his brother was a regain. Hehe. Even now, regain, dispite being the single most nerfed powerset in CoH is STILL the domonite scrapper secondary. None of the others come CLOSE, from my expearince.

And that's your problem. So long as every other scrapper made is a regain, the dev's will look for ways to get people to play the other secondaris, and buffing them up really doesn't seem to be an option for the devs right now.

Next on the Hit list? You want my honest option? It's prolly Quick Recovery, for the simpe reason, that, at this point in time, it's regain's BIGGEST selling point. It keeps you attacking stuff longer, and attacking stuff is what makes a scrapper fun...

So in conclusion, so long as quick recovery makes the regain set funner to play then the other secondaries, thus making regain the funnest secondary to play, (with the lest down time, which also adds to it's fun), regain will contune to be the most played scrapper secondary, and thus, will still be #1 on the dev's hit list for nerfs.

Kind of sad isn't it? That a power set has to be constently nerfed becasue it's apperently to fun for it's own good...

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Actually this is my conclusion and I believe this is the reason that they removed QR from Stalker Regens. Instead of fixing the ridiculous endurance system in CoH that makes the early levels a chore, the took away the one power that makes the early game fun.

I think Statesman is very happy in hindsight that people have to take Stamina. It works very well as a limiter in the game. If you don't take it, then you'll be much weaker than you would be otherwise and if you do take it, your low level game is saddled with trying to get it....unless you're a Regen.

Regens could hold off on Stamina until 28. Now we can hold off on it entirely. Worse in the devs eyes, I think is that we CAN get Stamina and completely remove endurance as a limiting factor. Thus having more fun.

I know their goal is for us to have more fun, but I don't see why they have to punish the one set that everyone likes because SR and DA isn't as much fun. Invul, IMO is not picked as much on the Scrapper side because Tankers have it.

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I've decided this thread scares me... all these foul ideas on how to nerf our precious regen. Standing next to DA I already feel overshadowed (unless I'm in IH or MoG mode).

Ohh the good 'ole days. Even I4 ruled. One thing I will say is its a lot more exciting than it used to be.

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This thread scared us too back in I4. Strangely enough the doomsday wasn't so bad for us because we had conditioned ourselves to expect that much or worse.

I think it's a very credible threat that QR will be nerfed. Because they can't let an issue go by without nerfing Regen.

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We are so going to die. I6 QR is removed and replace with .......... a conserve power.

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you're a jerk. that's awesome!! i wish i thought of that one.

regen stars for you!


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Or worse, a Consume.

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psshaw. no way. Dull Pain dodged the bullet last time, no way does it make it through Issue 6 unscathed.

Issue 6: The Painening.

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You don't understand Geko's exquisite madness like I do. Dull Pain will never get nerfed. Removed maybe, but never nerfed. It's left alone to instill fear in us. We are meant to fear its nerfing forevermore.

Geko is a wicked, wicked man.

My fellow Regens, it's time to bring back my most beloved forum creation. If you will all remember, in Issue 4, CuppaJo converted my Regen post to the official post. We realized quickly that the devs didn't give a rat's [censored by me] what we thought and vast silliness ensued.

Let's have it back. I'll start. Using the vast powers of precognition that I am well known for I was able to look into the future and see the Regen nerfs for Issue 6:

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Removed Regeneration/Quick Recovery and replaced Quick Recovery with a new click power Faster Healing a health regeneration buff.

A step to bring Scrapper Regeneration in line with Stalker Regeneration from City of Villains - AVAILABLE TODAY!

Removed the regeneration buff of Regeneration/Integration.

The new Faster Healing power has the regen functionality of Integration in a non-permanent click. Moving the regeneration buff to the non-permanent Faster Healing allows us to keep Integration a toggle. What? What's compensating you for losing Quick Recovery? Who said we were compensating you [censored by me] for anything. PWNED!

Reduced Regeneration/Instant Healing's regeneration buff, and increased the power's recast.

It's for PvP. Look since Positron admitted we can't change self-buffs for PvP only, we might as well tell you.....heh heh.


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Feel free to add to the discussion, and if you like the lounge please PM CuppaJo to see if we can get it stickied to the top of the Scrapper forum.

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As some players have pointed out, Defense builds (Super Reflexes, Ice Armor, Stone Armor to a degree) have an inherent weakness in that there are a plethora of powers that debuff Defense in PvE and PvP.

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I quit. that fist line was the biggest load of bull cocky anyone ever tried to feed me with a straight face, so-to-speak. Do you devs actually PLAY City of Heros??! I mean with real players, who dont know you're devs and try to kiss your bottom for it? Cause my magic 8-ball says, "signs point to NO!"

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What are you complaining about?

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Fantastic Statesman!

Question though, when you say lessened by 10.8% does that mean:

A def debuff of 10% is eliminated or;

A def debuff of 10% is reduced to 8.92%?

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The latter.

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Thanks a lot. Like I said great job!

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Awesome! I mean, ARRRR!!!

i think he means the second one EG.

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That's what I think too, otherwise it's grossly overpowered.