EvilGeko

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why would they? we're no longer overpowered in general, or in comparison to anyone else. what would the point in nerfing it be?

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I'm going to quote a Geko post from the Issue 4 PvP gutting:

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As to why we made the change, the answer is simple. Regen was simply too good in PvE and PvP. As many of you have already said, it was not uncommon to survive a mission 3 levels higher than you built for 3 player, or even take on and defeat an ArchVillain. Combine that with no down time , and Regen Scrappers were unparalleled in PvE and unstoppable in PvP.

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Note the bold red part. That part's still true. Over the course of 2005, the devs have systematically nerfed Regen over and over. Yet, still people complain it's overpowered. Why? No downtime. Even if a Regen just barely survives the fight, within seconds of the fight ending they will be at full health and endurance.

That's the rational reason they might do it.

But they other reason is that they might figure that Regens just don't need it. That's why they took it from Stalkers. Their stated reason was that Stalkers had less toggles than before AND ED although it wasn't mentioned at the time. They might just get up one day and think it's unfair for Regens to have an endurance recovery buff at level 4.

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i can see it getting a redu.... wait, i can't even see that happening anymore.

this "it'll be replaced by consume or conserver power" stuff is complete nonesense.

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Why can't you see it? Seriously. I will admit that I underestimated the devs' capacity for nerfs. I always Expect More Nerfs ((c) EvilGeko 2005), but I really didn't see ED coming. I really didn't think they could surprise me after I5, I was wrong.

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what would they do to it? quit worrying so much.

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Nerf it out of existence like with Stalkers. No reason to believe that they won't do it eventually. For 4 out of 6 issues Regen has seen a major reduction of power. No reason to believe they are going to stop.

Well at least Quick Recovery dodged Issue 6.

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So, I6 goes on test today. Does anyone think we'll have additional nerfs for Regen? Perhaps the coming destruction of Quick Recovery. The lost of the 50% unenhanceable portion of Integration. Making MoG even more useless than it is now?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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D. All of the above

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You're probably right. I finally settled on an ED compliant build this morning. I was hopeful and happy. Ergo, given the balance of the universe Geko is sad and must nerf Regen until he is happy and EvilGeko is sad again.

So, I6 goes on test today. Does anyone think we'll have additional nerfs for Regen? Perhaps the coming destruction of Quick Recovery. The lost of the 50% unenhanceable portion of Integration. Making MoG even more useless than it is now?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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The rest better be the QoL features of CoV, or I'm calling in KaliMagadalene's ninjas.

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If the QoL features do not arrive, there will be a one-time only halting of hostilities between pirates and ninjas, as me and my scurvy mates will have join forces with the despicable ninja-kind to take down whoever's [censored] idea it was to not include them for CoH.

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I and the legions of Knights Templar (BS, Mace and Axe) will join you brother. Besides the ninja will need help, being as lame as they are!

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You know what's funny? Issue 6 is being pre-downloaded already, and we've barely discussed (whined about) it at all!

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Well, ED is the major feature of Issue 6, so we kinda did. The rest better be the QoL features of CoV, or I'm calling in KaliMagadalene's ninjas.

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EvilGeko, I know you are BS/Regen, but do you by any chance know of a good I5 DM/Regen guide? I'm looking everywhere with no success.

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No, I don't. Wish I did. I'm kinda winging it with my DMs.

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Wow.

They didn't even mention this one prior to pre-download.

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I'm not sure they were going to make the CoV launch, Issue 6, but it's so major an update, it kinda needs it's own issue name. That and people were referring to it as Issue 6 anyway. I like the name honestly.

Now I'm not complaining about this, but it's interesting in that this is the first issue that requires a purchase to use all features in the update. I wonder how that will be received.

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My account is paid through January 3rd, 2006. I was going to keep recurring billing going so that I could post, but in hindsight, I think it's time to let these boards and CoH go. It was fun for a time, but these devs are...well I don't have words.

Good luck guys and take care, I'll be lurking.

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Evil Geko, so it ain't so. you are a pillar to this community. We can work around this...we always do. <gasps for air after having wind knocked out of him with the nerf bat>

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I'm here to 1-3-06. If I'm still having fun, I'll be here after that. I probably will. I like CoH/CoV. I'm sick of nerfs, but I have to admit that there hasn't been a nerf yet that made me stop having fun. Less fun in certain cases, but never no fun.

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Technically, shouldnt your CoV handle be "GoodGeko"?

Goody little two shoes...

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I thought about that but the non-prefix Geko, might think I'm stepping on his shoes.

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On a side note, EvilGeko, would your CoV forum name have to be Evil-erGeko?

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Used to be ReallyEvilGeko, but that was lame, so over there I'm the EVILBADGER!!!

FEAR ME MORTALS!!!

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Is it just me or does it seem that with ED, does Stamina become a "highly recommended" power, as opposed to a "nice but not needed" power, with the reduction in effectiveness of Quick recovery?

I know we can just slot endreds in our primaries, but...

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Yes, and Health is getting more essential by the Issue...sigh.

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i'm always serious.

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Then git'

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You could get Moses, Jesus, Buddah, Ghandi, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster to sign your little petition, and it wouldn't do any good. Until you people wise up and STOP SENDING JACK YOUR MONEY, nothing will change.

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What petition? The Regen lounge is for silliness and bitchin' no seriousness allowed.

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So we'll be using 13% less end per second, but we'll be regening about 25%(ish) less end per second (going from six-slotted stamina to 3-slotted stamina). Net 12%(ish) nerf.

And while it helps a little, the Defense & Recharge nerfs are the biggest issues here. Try fixing those first.

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Most people will be regenning 16% less endurance from Stamina, assuming you still three slot it. Now here's a fun fact for you. If you six-slot Stamina, you'll be regenning 13% less endurance. Wonder where they got that number from.

So the Stamina nerf is pretty much rolled back. Now it's time to work on the other things.

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Hey Fanboy,

I'm working on a guide as we speak as well. I am focusing on defense and resistance powers throughout the game. Just finished tankers and I am about to go into scrappers.
I say we join forces here. Send me a link of what you have compiled and I'll send you mine

EvilGeko, you are the best at regen by far. Let's get you started on the regen side if you are up for it.

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My BS/Regen guide will be updated the day this hits the live servers. I always wait to see if there are any last minute changes.

In general Regens will do OK. You won't notice that much of a change in Regen, although the slotting will be wonky and counterintuitive. Other min-maxxers on the boards have stumbled upon things close to what I'm going to suggest, so it won't be much of a surprise.

I'll tell you though, the Stalker loss of QR makes perfect sense now. I don't want to get into trouble by saying more, but I'm even considering picking up CoV just so I can complain on the boards about how they gimped a whole AT pre launch!

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With Enhancement Diversification comes a benefit for ALL City of Heroes powers.

Every power, across the board, is getting a 13.33% reduction in its Endurance cost.

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Better. Now, you're getting closer to a reasonable change. Do the same thing to damage rates, and this starts to look downright positive.

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Yes, this is a good thing.

But could we please get a comment on that elephant over there, Mr. Emmert.

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You sir, have won the Internet this day! Good one!

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There have been a lot of posts about which Defense powers stack with other Defense powers; some of this has been accurate, but some of it hasn’t.

Seemingly, we lost sight of a basic principle of Design: players shouldn’t make uninformed choices. Namely, some buffs had no effect on a player if he had certain Defense powers active.

Intuitively, a buff such as a Force Field should provide protection to a player – whether he is a Super Reflexes Scrapper, an Ice Tanker or an Invulnerability Scrapper/Tanker.

As a result, we went through ALL of the Defense buffs in the game and ensured that they provide a benefit to players, regardless of build.

This means that every Defense buff WILL stack to some degree with a player’s defenses, regardless of his power set.

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Good job Statesman. There are a few other places where you lost sight of that design principle, but we won't mention those right now.

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No matter how many fake nerfs we invented on this thread... Wow, I never saw the actual nerf coming!

They nerfed EVERYTHING :> :> :>

That must be a new record!

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I can't believe that either. Every barely plausible nerf we came up with they surpassed.

My account is paid through January 3rd, 2006. I was going to keep recurring billing going so that I could post, but in hindsight, I think it's time to let these boards and CoH go. It was fun for a time, but these devs are...well I don't have words.

Good luck guys and take care, I'll be lurking.

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Ya know its funny. Ya make a thread joking abuot how bad they can nerf regen (and whatever else) even further and somehow the devs do something far more vile that anything we can come up with.

I think I'm going to take my BS and commit sucide since regen won't be able to stop it... actually it will cause the damage will be destroyed also...

So what, put in defence debuff durations? O_o

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That is comical isn't it. I never expected anything this bad. This is obscene.

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Very scary EG...very scary.

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The enhancement diversification ( a BS name if there ever was one) is scary. They posted it on the boards here.

Regen is Fokking screwed. We were talking about a DP or QR nerf; hell guys they decided to NERF THE WHOLE FRIKKEN SET.

No numbers as yet, but just based on the description:

1. An about 10-36% reduction in Regen rates (pretty wild guestimate)
2. No perma Dull Pain (darn near a lock)
3. No Instant Healing 1/2 the time (3 min downtime for teh win!)
4. A LOT of downtime in MoG (So what?)
5. Reconstruction now the set's most potent defense by far. That should tell you something.