EvilGeko

No, it's a good idea that they keep making the respec trials the WST. This allows players easy access to a team for respec. I can tell you if they stop making these the WST, I'll never do one again and I'm not the only one. But not every player had 5-10 respecs banked from vet rewards.

I disagree with that. Right now the treespec can be failed (or really never finished) with a very suboptimal team. I disagreed with this when people first argued to nerf these trials into snoozeland. We can't be so scared of failure that the game stops working and that's where we're at.

Not saying that it's working as intended, but game-breaking is taking it too far. My melees can quite simply kill quicker and safer than a Fire Control character using this proc.

I have a hard time saying a ranged AT is 'broken' or 'game-breaking when I can exceed the performance this IO gives on at least 5 of my characters.

I've never been able to do that badge either. One of many reasons I stopped caring so much about badges.

These already do knockdown.

What he said. Changed my whole view of my Peacebringer. Game changer.

I don't exactly agree with this. It's not wrong to say that Bonfire is very, very strong now and probably is more effective than the devs would like. But 'game-breaking' seems a bit much to me.

There are Tanker/Brute/Scrapper combos that can do more damage in more safety than a character using Bonfire. My Fire/Shield Scrapper for instance is still SIGNIFICANTLY stronger in most ways to my Fire/Rad Controller with this proc. The proc narrowed the gap.

Illuminate us with your tactical acumen then.

That's exactly what he said.

You can take your strawman and stuff it.

Flight is not a farming tool, but it is a perfectly good power. It doesn't require any special maps or situations to be a good power. It does what it says and its drawbacks aren't too obtrusive. I did not say anything about farming. That was your assumption and it was dead wrong. Bonfire is not a good power. It's uses are so minimal with the KB that it doesn't pay for its opportunity cost.

This.

Anything that requires the 'right map and strategy' to not be detrimental is not a good power.

Has nothing to do with the proc or Bonfire. It's Bonfire + proc.

The proc is fine in Energy Blast.

Bonfire is fine with a Thunderstrike set.

Just because the combination is greater than the sum of its parts doesn't mean one of its parts needs to be nerfed. Any contention to the contrary is hysteria.

Was seriously considering doing this for the lulz.

As long as they give me an unslotter I'm cool with them changing it. Anything else will be....let's just go with annoying to be nice.

It actually causes both, but the KB isn't enhanceable.

Would have been nice to compensate the folks that did the trial you listed before you changed it.

Depends on what they do. What this IO does to Bonfire is completely foreseeable. So long as they give people a free unslotter, I'm good. But then, who knows if they really think it's worth nerfing. I could see it either way.

It wouldn't work if you did it this way. The proc effects wouldn't happen until the power activated and the power activation would trigger the KB effect. The anti-KB effect would happen on the next activation assuming they made the duration long enough.

I would agree with that for Single Target KB. Not for PBAoE KB. It's very dangerous to use it in that instance unless you take some time to position (more on that later)

PBAoE KD is better for that. Critter stops hitting, your ally can hit back in range and melee.

PBAoE KD is better for that. Almost all exploding critters' explosion power (outside of encounters like the AVs in the Sutter TF) can be interrupted. PBAoE KD does that, then leaves them in range for AoEs, Melee attacks, etc.

This is not a situation where PBAoE KB is better than PBAoE KD. It's an illustration of why PBAoE KD is better. No need to re-position.

PBAoE KD does that better because it leave them better clumped for AoEs and in range of melee damage.

I guess PBAoE KB is better here, but only because it makes it that much harder to kill the rezzer in the first place!

Again, PBAoE KD keeps them in range of AoEs/melee damage making it better. Tried it both ways on my Peacebringer. It's not even a close call. It's safer, quicker and more effective to just twirl them then follow up with another AoE than scattering them to the winds.




In my experience PBAoE KB is never, ever, never more beneficial than PBAoE KD. PBAoE KB is much more visually impressive and it's certainly possible that a player might have more fun using it. But as a tactical decision, scattering critters is not a good idea. If you reposition yourself, you are wasting time better spent killing and the only effective way to position a PBAoE KB power so that it is not detrimental, is to make it into a cone attack as you position all the critters to one side of you. That's a skilled player dealing with the downsides of PBAoE KB, and not in any way evidence that the same power wouldn't be better as KD.

Slotting the IO we're discussing turns powers like Solar Flare, Hand Clap, and Bonfire into top tier powers where before they were seen as skippable or worse.

Those three powers in particular were designed by a dev team that had a very different conception of how the game would be played. They expected a much slower game and a game that more closely resembled comic book fights. That was in no way a bad conception. Just a flawed one. This game rewards you for killing efficiently. It need not be so, and I have begged them over the years to create encounters where that is not so. What I have seen instead is encounters where KB would be a great boon (for example the B.A.F. trial) the relevant foes are resistant to all knock effects. But even if they did (they haven't yet), the majority of the game would still be such that KB and especially PBAoE is a detriment.

I don't know why people keep saying this either. The obvious nerf (if they're going to nerf it) is just to make Bonfire not accept Universal Damage Sets. If fact, I expect that's a major part of the reason they put this IO in a whole new category like this. Just so that they can target nerf without making changes to the power or the IO.

There is no situation that I am aware of where PBAoE KB is more beneficial than PBAoE KD. Please enlighten me.

That ship has sailed. KB's reputation with a large amount of the playerbase is shot. Nothing that the devs would reasonable add is likely to change that. I think the power we're actually discussing proves conclusively that KB is inferior to KD in MOST (read not all) applications.