EvilGeko

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I've never claimed to be looking for a comic book simulator. I'm looking for a game I find fun. But even if I were, KB is not as prevalent in the comics as it is in the game.

Alright, that's fair. Point taken. I can't argue with that.

But that's pretty darn far from the vehemence with which people defend KB.

No. KB is NEVER more useful than KD or KU. Period.

First, Knockup is just a Knockback target at a 90 degree angle per Castle. But that 90 degree angle means the mob is still right there for the killing.

Knockdown results in the mob being able to get back into the fight slightly quicker (depending on if KB is slotted or not), but if the mob is still alive, then it's better that the mob still be in range.

Now with a ranged AT, the mob might still be in range, but with a Blaster or Dominator they lose the use of their melee attacks, which tend to hit harder. Or, like a meleer they have to close the distance they just knocked the mob back. In any event they would be better having the mob stay where they are. But even using a ranged attack, you're no worse off than with KB. And you get all the benefits of the mobs staying in range of AoEs.

I'll own up to that gladly. That's the game that we play. It's fun.

I spend hours planning out a build, working the numbers, working the market to get the build. Then I want to take that build and mow down mobs. I don't want to think. I did my thinking on the front end.

I don't want to waste time. I just want to obliterate mobs. Faster the better.

On one team, I was getting annoyed because of AoE KB Scatter. But then I was playing my Fire/SD Scrapper. So I said screw it and started going WAY ahead of the team.

Didn't die, I was just clearing spawns by myself. A Brute decided this was a good idea and started taking on their own spawns. Neither of us died, but the team wasn't as safe because we weren't there to pull some aggro (there was a tanker) and a couple of deaths happened in the main group.

Folks wanted us to stay together. I chose not be a jerk in that instance and complain about KB. I stuck with the team. It was a PITA. If it wasn't a TF I probably would have dropped. It's situations like this one that makes me feel that pro-KB players are the more unreasonable. I don't see much middle ground being given up by the pro-KB folks.

KB looks cool. It is SOMETIMES useful, but in no case is it more useful that KD or KU. I don't see why people can't just own up to that. KD, KU are effective. They are efficient. They are helpful. They do not have any downsides. All I would like for the game is a choice. If folks love KB, great, but I would just love a way to excise it from my characters and groups.

If that makes me a [naughty word for male sexual organ] then so be it.

Walk up to a spawn. Fear, Immobilize, Hold or Sleep them. Kill them. Rinse and repeat.

Arcana wants to change the spawning rules to prevent that, but then like I said, the mobs would just have overlapping spawns. Or she would have to lower the spawn density to adjust for that. Both changes that are so completely unwarranted (not to mention being done in service of adding annoying scatter to the game) that I'm going to go out on a limb and say they aren't likely to happen.

Which would then have spawns overlapping each other on some maps, leaving them clumped together anyway in large teams. So maybe I don't get the whole 16, but I get 8 of this spawn and 3-4 of the other.

That's assuming anyone still wanted to play the game if they mobs were running all over the place. As I stated in another KB post, scatter is annoying. KB is annoying. I don't care if it's good mitigation (it's not), it's a PITA.

Safest team I've been on was one where my Regen was at the resistance cap and soft-capped to defense and at capped damage. Oh...and blessedly no KB to be found.

Correct...well except for immobilize, fear, holds, sleeps, and taunt. But besides those, you're absolutely correct.

I think your reasoning is sound here, but the reward for Hamidon needs a buff. Personally, I would do so by giving HOs themselves attributes that are different than purples but still very good.

I would rescind the ancient nerf to HOs that lowered their 1.5x bonus (i.e. 1.5 x what an equivalent SO gives) to 1.0. I would also allow HOs to keep their bonus at all levels. Finally, I would allow some level of choice over HOs. Probably via making the drop from Hami some kind of token that you trade in for the HO you want.

The reason for the nerf to HOs (that the raid was considered too easy) relates to a raid that no longer exists. And it also doesn't take into account ED or Inventions which would minimize the impact of such a change.

Test - Trying to figure out how First Son thumbnailed that picture above. Figured it out.

Just add th_ to the beginning of the .jpg file name.

Delusions?!

That would be a reason to abandon typed defenses altogether. That wouldn't be the worst idea in the world, but it's probably too late for that.

Like Force Fields, conceptually Energy Aura is supposed to represent deflection of enemy attacks from the character. This is why it's typed rather than positional defense (which is conceptually dodging in most instances).

The developers abandoned this distinction with Shields, btw, probably because the playerbase hates typed defense.

My take is that the playerbase doesn't give this set enough credit. Especially after the buff, this set can really shine. You can quite easily soft-cap Sm, Le, En and get very high on the rest with a bit of work. This doesn't feel functionally much different than my Shield or SR who are soft-capped to all positions. And with an in-set heal and endurance recovery tools, it's actually quite strong.

Please show your work, because I can't see:

How you get perma capped regen/recovery. It's going to be up a lot, but not perma as far as I can see.

How you get Blaster level damage?

And you're going to be casting quite a bit for all this whereas a meleer can get to this and have a stronger attack chain. And not get one-shotted by AVs because of flimsy HP.

EDIT: And I know you were responding to Doc, but the OP specifically excepted buffs like Adrenalin Boost, Hoarfrost, etc. that do not have the recharge to be on the whole team at once.

Still seems like a fair deal to me. FF Defenders get super defense, can give others super defense. Crappy offense.

Whereas my Fire/Shield has super defense, can give others decent defense. Frightening offense (for the NPCs)!

Do half the damage of a Blaster, with half of the defense of a Scrapper?

But it does make sense...in a game. That's what you're ignoring. We can't divorce the fantasy from the mechanics. Your position is pedantic. Games have rules. Some zones are PvE but shared space for heroes and villains. They are that way because many of us find it fun to share the same space with the other side.

You don't like that? That's cool. But to argue that it doesn't make sense is flatly wrong. It makes plenty of sense in the context of a MMO.

So you're ticked at NCSoft for charging money for content, so you're going to give NCSoft more money for content?

Hero and villain are in the back corner of Rikti War Zone or Cimerora. No one around to see. Why can't they fight each other then?

Still BULL! Same reasoning could be extended to say that we should be able to attack ANY target. Heroes and villains can't fight each other? Why can't villains fight each other? You can't even use the "Heroes wouldn't have any reason to fight each other excuse."

Player character Villains can't beat each other up in the Rogue Isles because it's a game rule. It's a PvE space.

Try to quote all the debate maxims that you want. Your argument is irrelevant. We already have to make allowances for the fact that players can't fight each other. Better to just say you don't like the idea than to try and justify it with a weak argument that reflects nothing more than your own prejudices about how the game should work.

I really do love me some Queen of Maths, when she's making sense!