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So you're saying if the writers have two four-mission arcs ready to go, but the map guys only have time to create four maps, it's better to release only one arc with all-new maps than to re-use some of the generic maps and release two arcs?
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Quote:Yeah, you would think so, but as we've seen there have been a lot of "too strong" enemies being thrown around lately. The philosophy seems to be "make them too strong then balance downwards based on player feedback" rather than "make them weak then strengthen them or reduce their rewards after players farm the crap out of them." Which is fine, because testers are more likely to complain about enemies being too strong. It is less fine if you're say, revamping an old mission with a new boss in an issue that is mostly focused on end-game shinies and players aren't as inclined to thoroughly test your new enemy and provide feedback. It is even less fine if the too-strong enemy is left as is (level 30 Zeus Titan EB anyone? New Siege?)Can you make craptacular easy to defeat or far too tough bosses via the current AE tools and custom power selections? Absolutely. But if your day job was to sit down and comb through and revamp content in terms of text and mechanics, don't you think you should know the tools and powers enough to know if a combination will be too powerful or too weak for the main antagonist(s) of a story?
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Quote:Please do. I haven't done a DE story arc in years due to the "defeat alls" and general crappiness of the presentation.In another thread, I made a suggestion that the Terra Conspiracy arc be revamped with new tech and some polish on the story telling. It's our first REAL introduction to the Hamidon. It should be a clearer story IMO considering how that creature stars in one of the games oldest and already revamped raids.
Quote:In general, honestly, I'd like to see many of the old arcs--especially from level 30 going forward, get a revamp both for story and tech sake. We have so many wonderful storytelling tools now in the mission tech from custom maps,
Quote:to custom mobs,
Quote:to dopplegangers,
Quote:to radio monologue that comes at you mid mission,
Quote:to cutscenes,
Quote:to multicolored and clearly labeled chapterized mission text.
Quote:These old arcs contain--as Westley points out in the OP--some of the core and most interesting lore of the CoX universe. This lore has evolved some, but these touchstones could (and should IMO) be given much more new life via new tech and strategies for mission arcs. -
There are also things on that list that undermine the game experience and frankly look sloppy, and leave a bad impression on new players, should be easy to fix, but aren't fixed. Such as typos and excessive ambushes. How hard is it to edit a line of text? Or remove a few ambushes? We've been told Mission Architect was created as a dev tool, so if they're using anything remotely similar to what we're using it's extremely easy, especially since they have players spotting and reporting this stuff for them.
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Wow, that's a long list. Some of these are design flaws, some of them are a result of the Neuron philosophy and some are actual bugs. A few I want to comment on....
Quote:How hard is this? Seriously. Most of the APP powers are copy/pasted from powers that can already be customized. I. Want. Matching. Fire. Give to Eva. Please. If you can't give to Eva, some explanation as to why would be appreciated.*I cannot level up my Fire/Fire Brute because the Fire Epic cannot be customized.
Quote:*Mastermind henchmen are idiots.
Quote:*There are no "short" versions of any of the Origin capes, the Valkyrie cape or any of the Magic Pack capes.
Quote:*If a team-mate is the first to enter Agent Keith Nancy's final mission, "your" double will be a double of said team-mate.
Quote:*Robert Flores' mission to hack three cameras only lets you hack one, at which point the mission is over, giving you a clue detailing how you hacked three.
Quote:*Masterminds will, by their very presence, cause bosses and elite bosses to run away wildly, reducing iconic fights into the Benny Hill show ending. And that bites.
Quote:*NPC dialogue, especially from the Launch era, is still rife with ugly, illiterate typos that even a cursory read would have caught.
Quote:*Clicking on a Longbow helicopter pilot and selecting a destination still leaves you waiting for over 10 seconds before anything happens.
There is no indication that the Smuggler's Ship is how you get to Striga. The entrance was changed but the contact dialogue sending you to Peebles probably wasn't, since I've heard several people in Talos asking how to get to Striga in the last few months.
Quote:*Devouring Earth creatures spawning level 45 and up have no variety other than just Granites and Sentries.
Of course the Quartzes are still instant-death for any character that relies on defense, and the DE in tip missions have 64% to-hit for some stupid reason that I can only chalk up to "Castle was sick of everybody soft-capping everything and becoming effectively invincible".....not that people who rely on defense tend to go near DE, because, quartzes.
Quote:*The text editor for writing bios and e-mails is still completely ******, not to put too fine a point on it. It won't pass new lines, it will write symbols in memory but not put them on screen, it will refuse move the cursor properly, the cursor is hard to see, it will randomly ad tags like "br" or "nbsp;" for no reason, it will "lose" its new lines, it will write outside the text box, it won't scroll with you as you write...
Now I realize they can't fix anything at once. I realize sometimes bugs are introduced that they can't even find, let alone fix. I do think a complete, regularly updated "Known issues" list would go a long way to letting players know that "we are aware of your concerns and are trying to work on them." At least we can stop complaining about the same things over and over again hoping a dev will read it.
Oh and one more thing: Finish. What. You. Start. Please. The sad thing is, I don't think this ADD approach is necessarily the devs' fault. Players want new shiny, they resub for new shiny, get bored of new shiny, unsub and wait for next new shiny. So they have to keep giving us new shinies. -
Quote:Yeah, you know what else negatively affects me, along with everyone else I play with? Defeat all enemies in warehouse (Peregrine Island) > Defeat all enemies in warehouse (Skyway City) > Take artifact to Azuria > find blinky in giant warehouse (Faultline) > hunt 40 Carnies in PI. I'd rather have Lingering Radiation not slow as it should (and I do actually have two /Rad Corruptors, so I'm affected by this bug directly) if that runaround could be condensed into two solid missions in a single appropriate zone.Every bug is critical. Unless you solo exclusively, every bug will be critical to you sooner or later, because you will be exposed to the effects of those bugs at some point in time. Bugs don't have to set the servers on fire or cause a worldwide brownout to be critical, they just have to negatively impact the experience of playing the game, and they do negatively impact everyone. If not directly, then indirectly as a result of teaming with someone who is directly affected by bugs which make their powers unusable or useless, missions which cannot be completed, AI issues, etc.
Quote:And should be dealt with promptly, not ignored for years, if ever fixed at all.
So yeah. Negative impact =/= critical. If a mission is bugged I can abandon and reset or autocomplete it. It will inconvenience me for a few minutes. If the Synapse Task Force is too long and boring it will inconvenience me for hours. If it's so long and boring nobody wants to do it with me it will inconvenience me for more hours. If it's so long and boring I decide it's not worth doing it will inconvenience me forever, since I can't get Task Force Commander without it.
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Quote:Somebody PLEASE kill off Nemesis. Make it so Mender Silos is lying. He's just some guy, pretending to be Nemesis because....I don't know, make something up, it'll probably be better than another Nemesis plot. Oh, and all his good fakes explode (because steam powered things sometimes do that) leaving only crappy mindless fakes so we can still get the badge, thus putting an end to all Nemesis plots. This is retroactive, so nothing else will ever be revealed as another Nemesis plot.My fixes would likely become a matter of some discussion, since I would do things like utterly destroy Ouroboros and time travel in general, kill off Nemesis, eliminate all parallel Earths (not to be confused with alternate words, i.e. Praetoria is a parallel of City's Earth, Narnia would be an alternate world; I would reclassify the Rikti homeworld as an alternate world) and probably Kill Off For Real all or most of the signature characters.
Parallel earths are a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there, or have three issues in a row (so far) devoted to them. I would also like it very much if the CoH multiverse's cosmology were straightened out, a chart was drawn up, and anybody who wanted to write anything regarding alternate dimensions, parallel universes, other planes of existence, anything that isn't on this physical earth that we know exists in the real world had to memorize said chart, which clearly spells out what falls into what category, and assume all NPCs had also memorized the chart. Then post the chart on the official website, so players can see it and find all the places you've deviated from the chart. You can even put it up as an in-character presentation from the Dark Watcher or Steven Sheridan or somebody.
It is also revealed that piercing the dimensional barrier was not a Nemesis plot after all.
The signature characters can stand around giving out task forces until the end of time for all I care. Maelstrom can get killed off because I'm sick of fighting him with his Martial Arts secondary that players want but can't have.
Not entirely sure what I'd do about the whole Ouroboros thing. I don't consider "nuke from orbit" to be an option (usually. I make exceptions for things such as the Dr Q and Synapse TFs, and that morality mission with Malta in Striga), especially for something that is such a huge QoL improvement. We don't even know that they're really from the future. We don't even know that we're actually time-traveling. It could be a giant AE building for all we know, since nothing we do in the past alters the present (yeah yeah, if it altered the present we'd be altered too so we wouldn't know the present had been altered but then we wouldn't have to go back so...that's why time travel never turns out well.) So since we have no reason to trust them, and their leader is a big liar pretending to be another person who can't be trusted, we can't go trusting our newfound potentially infinite power to them, now can we? -
Quote:It does make sense that the Freaks redside would be dumber, since Arachnos isn't big on education. The general dumbing-down of the group also makes sense; they may have started as disillusioned yuppies, but their schtick would attract quite a few people who understand maybe two words out of "The fetishization of material goods is sickening," but DUDE! YOU HAVE A METAL ARM! I WANT ONE!! The Sid Viciouses, as it were. But it would be nice to see some smarter freaks sometimes, and I don't mean just guys like "Teh L34rn3r3r." Evil isn't always dumb, even the smashy smashy kind.Yeah, I've never been quite sure about how I feel about the Freakshow's direction since the earlier issues. Hell, as I remember, they get a lot of their members from bored successful twenty-somethings, but most of the missions portray them as borderline illiterate. I think there actually are a couple missions with jokes about Freaks being illiterate. Maybe Excelsior causes brain damage.
I also think we need a few clear reminders that they are hurting people. As in, body bags. Or at least some terrified hostages we can save. -
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Quote:One? You didn't beat up Hequat, an actual physical, albeit weakened, god? Oh wait, that's right, you don't play villains. And we haven't actually SEEN him any more than we've seen Mot or Lughebu. We've only seen manifestations of his power, just like with Mot and Lughebu. God-like powers don't have to come from a source, they can come from being an actual, you know, god. Which exist in this game, and predate the supposed "Origin of Power."So you think it'd be weird for the one truly god-like being we've seen in the game so far to be linked to the source of god-like powers?
Quote:Finding out more about the benefactors of the GB and what would happen if Brass can't keep them confined to Cap.
Quote:Delving deeper into the origins of the Council Nightwolves.
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Quote:If we ever manage to find time to fight each other with all the co-op content we've been doing.1) When all of this business with the Coming Storm is resolved, for good or for bad, there's going to be a bunch of Incarnates milling about (or at least a few more than there used to be before the Well entity started making a comeback) without any godlike 4D enemy to be united against. There's going to be some sort of ramifications when the 'Hero VS Villain' business gets back into gear...
Quote:4) Speaking of the Zigursky residents, we haven't heard anything about that popular guy Upstart for a while. Dreck gets by on inspiring people through strength, but he's terrified of what Upstart means to a lot of the Freakshow. What kind of demeanor and/or strength would someone have to possess for the Freaks to consider them as an anarchistic 'messiah'?
Quote:6) I remember back in the prototype Issue 6 overview, there were a couple of Grandville contacts that never seemed to see the light of day: Marshal Mayhem, Grandville's military leader and global extortionist, and Eliza Silk, Arachnos' 'Keeper of Secrets.' Are they still canon, or did they get transmogrified into a couple of other contacts? -
Quote:If you're referring to the "down with the street" mission that gives you the Nemesis Staff, that's a level 30+ mission. It's one of the "introduction to Nemesis" missions. There's one Sky Raider mission with a single Nemesis Lieutenant in it, that might be in the late 20s though.Just to sell the shinies to the Malta -- the way that Nemesis is introduced in a Freak arc in the 20s ... trying to sell steam tech to the Freaks. I like the idea of foreshadowing the upper level mobs in the lower levels.
Quote:High level BP exist -- remember the portal mish people farm for masks? It shouldn't be all that hard to scale something to the 30s.
Quote:Wait a second... 1953? Wasn't the first Rikti Invasion in 2004? But, Here it says, "The Rikti Invasion came and went, and the people in this peaceful neighborhood were relatively untouched by the devastation." and then "The city authorities and Heroes, already reduced in number and staggering from the Rikti onslaught, had no choice but to relinquish the area to the Pantheon and wall it off. Within the walls, the army of Husks and Shaman ravaged the zone, tore the ground apart and sacrificed every man, woman and child in their efforts to wake the god Mot."
Hold on there, we had time to build War Walls around the place but not the manpower (heropower?) to evacuate the zone? Oh geez...
Quote:A Shadow Shard revamp might have some kind of "teleport web" run by the humans, or weird dimensional portals that were a feature of the Shadow Shard itself to move you from one island to the next.
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Of all the things in the game that could be linked to the Well of the Furies, Rularuu must be at the top of the list.
Scene opens: A bunch of heroes and villains are partying at Pocket D. Close-up on the bartender pouring shots from a bottle labeled "Well of the Furies." Quick montage shots of the heroes and villains becoming more and more inebriated, and showing off their fancy new powers. Cut to Poison Mastermind hunched over the toilet. Cut to Fire Blaster standing in the scorched ruins of a nice residential suburb.
Cut to Brute standing in front of a falafel place with a "closed" sign in the window. Brute: "I'm so hungry I could EAT THIS WHOLE DIMENSION!" Brute grows really big, hits footstomp, and breaks the world. Fade to Black.
Voiceover: Know your limit. Please drink responsibly.
No seriously, the only thing stupider than tying Rularuu to the Well would be to reveal him as yet another alternate Statesman. It wouldn't surprise me at all if GG thought this was a good idea. -
A friend of mine has a Stalker named Censored Bleep.
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Quote:Hamidon was a scientist who turned himself into a giant amoeba. The DE story arcs explain their origins quite well.The Origin of Hamidon. I have no idea where he/she/it came from, nor the Devouring Earth.
Quote:The Coralax. (They have no back-story, although clearly related to the Slag Golems)
Quote:The Possessed Scientists in Peregrine Island. There is no explanation outside their name, or why is keeps happening! At the rate they're taken out, we're running out of scientists! -
Quote:You're sure he would be? I'm sure he is. Ernesto Hess is an Arachnos mole, this is now explicitly stated in Burkholder's dialogue. Giant robots. I want. GIVE TO EVA!My $.02 ...
Striga is, IME, the natural place to explore the Council / Column war, although it's a zone that doesn't seem to get much player attention. Further, I'd open it up to villains and add in some juicy villain-only arcs. I'm quite sure that Lord Recluse would be rather interested in what the Council is up to, and the villain arc could have Recluse trying to figure out how to leverage the in-fighting to his own advantage. Throw in a side of mad science (Giant! Robots! With! Freaking! Lasers! or Vampires! And! Werewolves!, even Aliens!), and you'd have a pretty solid story to tell. Or several.
The 5th would be pretty stupid to launch a full-out assault on the Council's best-defended stronghold, unless of course they had help from within. Burkholder switches sides pretty easily in Mender Lazarus's arc. Perhaps he could be persuaded to switch back just as easily. And bring his giant robot with him of course. Those two "colossi" in the ITF look very familiar....
Quote:(werewolf Freaks?
Quote:robot tech for Malta, link to Kronos?)
Quote:To get back to the BP, there are also lots of BP skulking around Striga. If'n I may be so bold, a 30-34 SF for villains could also be slotted into Striga. Both Scirocco and GW have strong magic ties -- perhaps they need something from the BP that could help to set up their patron arcs. For that matter, an ambitious SF could tie together the cemetery in Sharkshead with Striga and DA.
Quote:And, first and foremost, juicy story lines that heroes would not have access to. But everyone else would. -
Quote:1: Because it's part of the Rogue Isles so there are Arachnos everywhere.Most zones could use this sort of treatment, imo. Mercy in particular is an engima to me. Why is Arachnos there? Why are there people struggling to leave? What is the significance of two different Arachnos forts?
2: Because it's a slum, and Recluse is shipping in droves of small time crooks, bullies, practitioners of the dark arts, and mad scientists. Your average civilian doesn't want to be robbed, beaten up, sacrificed to the forces of darkness and have their remains used in an unholy perversion of science, so they try to leave.
3: Because having two training/selling locations is more convenient for players who don't have a travel power yet.
Quote:Why is there a huge treatment plant on a small island?
Quote:Stuff like that. The interaction between groups that are present in a zone too. St. Martinal: why does Arachnos have partial control of the streets, but the Family seems to have open control of other parts? Who actually visits a casino in a country run by a power-mad super villain? Why is the Carnival of Shadows allowed to exist openly (my guess is they have protection from someone)?
2: The same people who live in the nicer parts of Cap au Diable. Some people manage to do very well for themselves in a country run by a power-mad super villain. Most of them are corrupt. Also, people with a gambling problem, which I'm sure the Family loan sharks encourage.
3: Why are the Council and Sky Raiders allowed to establish bases on Sharkhead? Why do the Freakshow get that entire slag heap and its surroundings to themselves? Why do the Tsoo have so much territory? Arachnos can't be everywhere, that's why they have you do so much of their dirty work. If it doesn't threaten them directly, they leave it alone.
That's the nice thing about villain zones; if an enemy group appears in the streets, chances are missions within the zone will feature them. If you're fighting Wailers you'll be going to St. Martial. If you're fighting Coralax you'll be going to Sharkhead. But heroside, if you're fighting Banished Pantheon you'll be going to....Independence Port??? -
Quote:Usually you only absolutely need to do one or two missions from a contact before starting their arc, if you're willing to abuse the heck out of the "Abandon mission" feature. Most of these contacts offer the same mission first every time (Janet gives you the one with the debuff, Maria gives you Infernal's portal, Indigo gives you the "check out the shady types Crey are dealing with" mission which introduces you to Malta, etc) but after that it's pretty much random.It takes me six or seven random missions before I get the one that starts the Countess Crey arc.
Quote:At this point, I'm starting to think there's something else going on here, so I decide to go become a member of the Vanguard as Tina suggested to me in the first place. While I'm going through these missions, I start talking in global chat about my plight. The first suggestion is that I have too many story arcs open. I check my active contacts tab and the only story arcs I have open at the time are Levantera and Jim Temblor. The next suggestion is maybe I have some other old contacts sitting there blocking her out.
Quote:TL;DR I've been trying for about a week and a half, ran through probably 20 missions, including radios and regular contact missions (and a defeat 100 Crey mission in there), and I now have every available contact introduced to me except Tina Macintyre. Which is the only one I wanted to do in the first place.
Shouldn't there be an easier way to get the contacts that you want to do anymore?
Quote:But I do agree that the design isn't great. It's often difficult to figure out where and how to be introduced to a particular contact.
A thought: perhaps Tina is acting wonky due to her model having been replaced? The Ouroboros rock doesn't teleport you to her, or to Maria, it just says "The crystal doesn't know where to send you." See, their disguises are so good they even fool the Ouro rock. Your average contact doesn't stand a chance. I'm not sure what excuse the "detectives" have though. -
Quote:Only with the "better writers" caveat. Because I swear, if Rularuu's origin is tied to the Well of the Furies I'm never reading another scrap of mission text outside AE ever again. And the only reason I want more Malta is for someone to fix what the last few issues broke.So in reading this I'm seeing requests for continuation of the story of Malta and the Shadow Shard story lines.
Quote:Play through the Kheldian arcs and the Nictus invasion gets wrapped up.Requiem travels back in time to ancient Rome and becomes his own grandfather or something after the Kheldian storyline anyway, so he's obviously trying to take over the world again, and the Nictus are somehow involved, as Romulus is so fond of telling us.
Quote:/e, Groucho
"Why a six-year-old child could understand this report. Run out and find me a six-year-old child. I cant make head nor tail out of it."
Quote:4. I'd like to know more of the background of the "color crew": Crimson, Indigo, Veridian.
I also second the want for more Dark Astoria. Why are there level 50 Banished Pantheon in other dimensions? Maybe we can go there and find out. Then we'll have to make sure the same thing doesn't happen here. -
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Quote:Except that Crey hides behind legalities, and exposing them requires you to break the law. Manticore is rich enough to convince the law to look the other way, while Synapse is not.Honestly, considering Synapse is a victim of Crey, he should have been the contact for the Crey silliness instead of Manticore; put Manticore in charge of a low level Legacy Chain investigation then direct yourself to Sister Psyche after his Task Force is complete. Voilà, problem solved and you can probably still get Gearsmasher through missions or hunts.
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Quote:It's not interesting enough for all new content to include it. The way it's been written it's a self-contained storyline, with nearly everything neatly wrapped up by the time we move on to Primal Earth. The only things left to do are to get rid of Tyrant and get rid of their Hamidon, which would provide content for two issues at most, unless they get more creative than they seem to be able to of late. But due to the devs' love affair with the place, they're stretching it out with incidental stuff like the BAF. Stopping a prison break is a story for a morality mission, or one mission of a larger Task Force, it doesn't merit a Task Force/Trial in and of itself.I'm curious, what were your issues with Praetoria? Was it solely mechanical stuff, or on the storytelling level too?
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Quote:I don't want a "bug fix" issue because there are always new bugs. You can't get rid of them all. I want a content fix issue. You can fix pet AI only to have it break again six months later, but a revamped Synapse Task Force will remain shorter, less tedious and more engaging than the current "clocks, clocks and more clocks" slogfest until the servers go down.If such a release were made, players would still whine that "the devs never fix anything," "the devs are lazy," and "they never do anything right." Plus, a lot more screaming for "I want [insert player's personal preoccupation here, be it animated fingers, banking flight animations, or an Arcane theme for Traps]." Lately, this is all I ever hear about the game. A "bug fix" issue isn't going to stop this.
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Then I would like this new writer to tackle Malta. I would like them to explain why they've gone from a shadowy conspiracy few people know about to publicly blogging about their evil plans. I would like a wrap-up of the Nictus invasion/Path of the Dark storyline, which would probably tie into the return of the 5th Column. I'd like a continuation (not a wrap-up, because there's too much potential to just wrap it all up in a single issue) of the Shadow Shard story, Shiva, and the Coralax/Merulina/Leviathan storyline. I'd also like to know why nobody bothers to explore dimensions other than Praetoria anymore. A trip to the Rikti homeworld would be nice, now that the war is over and some of them are our friends, as would Axis Amerika since we beat up their leader again, and the dimension should be ripe for liberation by heroes and looting by villains. -
Quote:These unique mechanics also happen to be more prone to not working as intended. Does the "Future self" Villain Morality mission work properly yet? We are on the third iteration of the "Unstable Trigger" hero alignment mission, because the writer insists the player have a conversation with Maelstrom....and this third iteration can become uncompletable. Not failable, uncompletable. And what about that rogue > hero mission where you have to get a bunch of Shadow Shard artifacts away from Nemesis, which has a "talk to" destructible object right near the door, surrounded by enemies that can aggro and destroy it while you're loading, and triggers two ambushes, one of which includes a Rad/Rad boss...dead while zoning because a new mechanic is available and just had to be used even though a simple blinky grab would have served. Do the devs even test these missions on x8, or do they just run through them on base difficulty to make sure everything spawns where it's supposed to?A player who goes looking for an underlying story to those nifty new missions isn't going to remember that unique mechanic in that special mission, he/she is going to remember having his/her eyes start bleeding after reading mission text rife with spelling and grammatical errors.
Oh and another thing about the writing: Quantity =/= quality. If your underlying premise is poor, it doesn't matter how much exposition you give your in-mission contact (too much, IMO....the new missions completely lack the sense that there's more to the story for us to discover in obscure one-off missions or as an aside in an unrelated arc twenty levels down the line. We're still speculating about the Shadow Shard, Malta, and the Circle of Thorns. Nobody speculates about the Ghouls, because it's all laid out for you by the end.) or how many paragraphs long your badge text is. The content becomes entirely forgettable. I can't remember half of what I did in Praetoria, even though I read all the mission text. I do remember there were lots of plot holes and spelling errors.