EmpireForgotten

I'm reformatting the PC tonight.

Word to the wise. If a website is on google's website blacklist, don't ignore the red page and enter it anyways. Even if you are semi-competent, some of the creative **** coming out now is really hard to get rid of and sometimes, its not even worth the time.


at least its stupid enough to let knoppix load so I can get my files off.

If I get done quickly enough, I might actually play tonight

Its funny to see another one of these threads pop up only to be tore to shreds.

Definitely don't want to allow purchase of vet rewards. They definitely need to stop doing more vet rewards because its starting to get to the point where there are certain ones that people probably won't be able to get - Due to the game being fairly old.

I kinda feel bad for the people who just found the game a couple months ago because they weren't around for the previous doses of marketing. But, at the end of the day, you will get the rewards eventually.

Making vet rewards one of the top reasons you play games is going to really disappoint you if you are just now starting to get into any game that has been established for a while - that's the main reasons I hate vet rewards in general.

I think I have discussed this all that I can really, I think at this point we might just need to agree to disagree.

Having been in the scene, both old PvP and new, I cannot see a benefit of another power over hasten or CJ - just can't. There might be other powers that I can equally substitute, but it wouldn't matter one way or the other.

I think the PvE benefits of this power make this completely broken, but PvP is a different animal - always has been. Its just not that big of a deal In my opinion.

Although I am very indifferent on the benefits of this idea, I am against really compromising on it.

From the very begining, this should have been an All or Nothing change. This should have NEVER been a vet reward. When compared to other vet rewards, this one is the cream of the crop in terms of gameplay.

So, I would say that this should either be changed so that Everyone can get this benefit; new and old players a like and a different vet reward should be put in its place. It can be a cool power like assemble the team or blackwand, but not something that completely restructures the game.

Doing this change JUST for PvP though, Im not seeing the benefit.

Also one more note:

Had this been put into effect with PvP 1.0, Im pretty sure that the leaders would have made an ammendment to the rules stating that you had to have the level 6 power if you were going to use that pools travel power. Its a simple thing to check and it keeps the matches as balanced as possible.

If that old vocal crowd could deal with a problem like this, Im sure you can too.

I remember this debate when this vet reward was introduced. Most of the vocal PvP crowd had already left or this would have been brought up before with a lot more noise (Not that it would matter, but it would have gotten a lot more attention)

Here's the take from a once hard core PvPer:

Reasons why this Vet power sucks - there is only one reason:
1. It adds an added benefit to a person based solely on the point that they have paid for the game longer. Two people of equally skilled playing ability can't have a match to determine who is better because one person would have an added advantage* (See below point before you QR)

Reasons why this isn't really a big deal:
1. (Captain obvoius) This vet reward only effects four powers; SS, SJ, Fly, TP
Lets look at all of these:
Speed
Hasten/Flurry
Super Speed
WW
Leaping
Jumpkick
Combat Jump
Super Jump
Acro
fly
Air Sup.
Hover
Fly
Group Fly
Teleport
TP Foe
TP Friend
TP
Group TP

Of these four powers, there is only one power in the level 6 range you wouldn't want for PvP - and that's A.S. or Hover from the flight pool. But you also wouldn't want the level 14 power for PvP either. Fly has always been the worst travel power for PvP because of its slow speed and even the buff to -fly protection doesn't even help make it more attractive. You could also argue that you just want TP as an escape power for PvP and skip TP foe, but with travel supression this is pretty much a pointless power as well.


In Conclusion, this is really a non issue. Im totally against vet rewards that are game changing -And you are free to disagree with me that this is not game changing, but I think it is - But this isn't THAT big of a deal.

In the old PvP, I probably spent more hours thinking about builds for PvP than most people. I can't really think of a build that would benefit from having one extra pool power. Think about it: You're gonna take SS for hasten and horizontal movement, You're gonna take SJ for Vertical movement and Knockback Protection and your going to take fitness for End recovery and Numina sets. That leaves one extra pool power. Most are going to choose concealment for Phase, but you might choose Leadership for Acc/Dam, you might choose fighting for resistance/def...Hell, I would even choose the medicine pool for Stimulate before I picked Fly/TP for PvP.

Id agree that it was shut down quickly, but I don't think it was the PvP that caused that. I think it was just an unfinished zone that they didn't want let out.

If I was able to go back, I would have liked to fraps some PvP matches to show areas that I think were better in 1.0. It would be nice to give, not only written reasons why we think certain changes should be made, but actually video footage of how certain things worked. putting two zones side by side, even for a weekend, would show the community that you really want test out and get real suggestions on changes, rather than hamstring in tweaks to the current system that might not be best for PvP as a whole.

Do you guys remember on test when that bugged zone went live - I don't know what zone it was, but it was completely unfinished? It had PvP flags set for heroes and villains, but was PvP 1.0 ruleset.

PvP 1.0 ruleset still exists in the PvE world, can we get a zone setup maybe with this flag set? What this would do is allow us to compare PvP 1.0 and 2.0 together apples to apples.

We could actually get some real data like "This is what works in the old system - does it work in the new system? No? Why does it work in the old system and not here? Is there a way to fix that?" Without the two systems sitting paralell, its very difficult to test and compare the two.

You might suggest just trying to forget about 1.0 and look forward altogether, but, as an ebil conservative, I would never want to forget about your past and the things it did RIGHT just to be able to say "Hey, we have progress see?" I also wouldn't want to completely disregard the work done on PvP 2.0 because a lot of features are pretty slick and could help balance out.

Mac suggestion fixes my biggest frustration. If the "Mag 6" Proteciton isnt put in, there needs to be SOME way to allow offensive toggles to stay toggled while being mezzed.

Retoggling hurricane every 10 seconds (2.5+ second animation) is irrirating. Also, the slow cap and the -range cap needs to be lowered. Add a buff to range in a Kin's ID. This would allow Kins to be useful again (+speed to counter slow ID to counter -range). Hey, even allow kins to increase the range of attacks (Maybe half of boost ranges power). You can make it not stack if that would be too overpowered.