Emgro

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In a recent thread in this forum, a person commenting on the 'Misuse of the word "Healer",' a (predictably) big flame war erupted of healer-haters vs. healer supporters. People are throwing all sorts of hostile words around, including this gem.

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Mad sarcasm for the win, unless that other massive generalization you made was serious. Anyway, it isn't actually a generalization. There is (shock!) a best way to build a team. There is a best way to build the characters on that team. And those of us who number-grind towards that goal, rather than airily speculate towards it based on "experience," realize that heals are the least effective damage mitigation in the game.

Can't argue with numbers.

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Of course, no actual numbers were given by the poster, nor were any sources posted by that particular poster.


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As the poster who said that, I would like to point out that when you right-click on a power now, you get specific data on the effects of that power. Channeling the marvelous power of literacy, you can read that data and get all the numbers you'll ever need! Yay! Numbers for everybody! And they are uniform and (mostly) accurate! Amazing!

There's your source. Not Mids, not Arcanaville, not my own personal spreadsheet, but the damn game itself. I figured it was taken for granted that people knew this information was there, but maybe not.

Leave the math aside for a minute. Have you played on a team with three VEATs on it, stacking leadership between 3-6 deep? You don't need healing. You don't need a little; you simply don't need any.

Heals are lacking because:
1) They usually require line of sight. Not always available.
2) Some have a funky range. Try healing a Blaster with transfusion, or a crazy scrapper with Twilight Grasp.
3) Reactive, not proactive. All the heals in the world won't keep my MM from getting two-shotted by Bosses, since he goes from full to dead in about .5 seconds.
4) Lag. A lagging or AFK "healer" provides no benefit. A lagging bubbler is only mildly impeded.
5) Timeliness. Heals use in-combat activation time and stamina to do their job. Buffers do it out of combat.
6) Vulnerable to effects. A mezzed healer is useless. An immobilized healer with an aura heal is useless. If his heal requires a to-hit check, accuracy debuffs may render it useless.

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When burst damage is not a concern, Empaths, Pain Domination users, and Thermal users can mitigate a lot more damage than even the perfect bubbler can alone.

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When is there a concern other than burst damage? Maybe I play too much redside, but most teams I've been on lately kill all LTs and minions in less than 5 seconds. At that point you have 1-3 bosses left, who in that 5 seconds have fired all their most powerful attacks off.

Take my team last night. Brute runs in, SoA drops Venom Grenade, my AR/Storm (who has 02 Boost) drop Freezing Rain. Footstomp + Suppression + Full Auto on enemies with around -40% resists. Also, they are running away and falling down instead of attacking.

End result? Everything dies. That character has gone 36-38 without using O2 Boost.

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The thing is, with humans sexual deviancy is plain inevitable, we've been here a long time, feel pleasure in mating and are sentient and free thinking, of course at some point we are going to experiment and people are going to decide what they like more, now whats acceptable is up to human society to decide in the end.

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This is basically my perspective. Is it deviant? Yes. Is it wrong to be deviant? Depends on the deviance.

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Annnnnd, if you tell me that my horse, who greets me every time she sees me with a happy wicker and a horse hug DOES NOT have some kind of immortal soul...well, I'd have a hard time believing you.

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Don't you feel your horse is a higher order of organism than an eggplant? How about a snake?

What about a pig? I've known people with very personable pet swine.

Just as there is a gap between those various things, there is a larger gap between any animal and humans.

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It is hilarious to see people who think they are any different than the animals we see. Doesn't mean you aren't special, just means you aren't special for THAT reason.

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I find it equally hilarious you think you're the same as a piece of furred flesh that does not communicate, does not build or create, and does not have an immortal soul. I find those traits to be rather special.

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Show me indisputable evidence of an immortal soul, and I'll grant that your claim animals do not possess them has plausibility, until such time that you show beyond all doubt that they do not, indeed, possess these things.

And to appease the court in Switzerland, I'm also going to have to ask you to provide infallible evidence that plants also do not have immortal souls (to appease those among us that feel animals have memories and emotions).

Honestly? I hope you can't. That's something that belongs purely in the realm of faith, and once faith becomes knowledge... you tend to take it for granted.

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*whips out indisputable proof that humans have an immortal soul, plants don't, and that farming Rikti Comm officers is a violation of gamer ethics*

And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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It is hilarious to see people who think they are any different than the animals we see. Doesn't mean you aren't special, just means you aren't special for THAT reason.

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I find it equally hilarious you think you're the same as a piece of furred flesh that does not communicate, does not build or create, and does not have an immortal soul. I find those traits to be rather special.

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4) There is no natural law for mankind, nor the animals. It is a delicate set of balances that humans are both victims of, and a part of. We think we have mastered such things; it is our prime ignorance.

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There is no natural law? Where'd that come from?

At least in the realm of policy and international law, everyone takes natural law for granted as suitable for precedent.

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3) You go to work, don't you? How you kill yourself is just a detail. You ARE a social monkey, and YOU DO follow rote behavior to fit in with our SOCIAL MONKEY SOCIETAL NORMS.


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Since when do monkeys go to work? I could replace the term "social monkey" with "deified plums" and that statement would be no less meaningful.

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It ain't normal; never will be. Just another fetish, less creepy than some and more creepy than others.

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It's actually quite common even outside of the world of humans. It's not like we invented it, or are unique. And to say it's not natural is a stretch. Normal? Hard to say. What's normal, really?

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I am not an animal. I do not engage in cannibalism and incest. I do not take my behavioral cues from the mindless ant that will march in circles to its death, nor the shark that eats its own kind when frenzied. The natural law of mankind takes little to nothing from animals.

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*Looks around*
I haven't seen the pretty kitteh today.

*shrugs shoulders*

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*contemplates a moment, then looks at the box again*

What's the diameter of your head, Madisen? Just curious...

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For Yuri and Neko, even if Yuri is a Foxeh, and not a Kitteh!

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*revives himself and wanders off, coming back shortly with a box*

How big around is your head, Neko? Need to know for makin' these holes.

Side note: If you go with Assault Rifle, 6-slot Slug and Burst and try to get them to maximum recharge as quickly as possible. Mine are currently Frankenslotted for 90% Damage, 90% Recharge, a smidgen of End reduction, and about 30% Accuracy. (I also have about 30% in global acc bonuses from IOs.)

The recharge is REALLY important, since those two powers are your entire single-target attack chain. I don't have Sniper Rifle, but that might be another option.

*wanders in, dressed in a swimsuit*

One of those weeks.

*moseys up to the pool, and passes out before actually reaching the water*

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Y'know, I wrote a post about the amusement I find in the way gays bait people for this sort of thing, but I realized it was pointless, and started writing again...

Then I wrote a post about how what you do is in clear violation of human anatomy, and thus very abnormal on an incredable scale, but I forgot that science and logic have no place in the world of "Tolerance", and once more began re-wrting the post...

So here I am, sharing my opinion, which will no doubt be shredded in a hail of counter-posts and scorched in the heat of flaming, dissassebled and rebuilt as another reason for gays to whine, because human beings who hold true to our instinctive need to preserve the species have been branded as bigots for wanting to protect that. I leave you with this to think about:

Just think, making homosexuality "normal" will open the floodgates. Soon enough people will cry foul over beastiality, pedophilia, and all sorts of "normal" lifestyles.

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It ain't normal; never will be. Just another fetish, less creepy than some and more creepy than others.

That aside, more people need to realize that PDAs (public displays of affection) make many folk uncomfortable, regardless of their personal tastes.

Being stuck on a bus behind a couple making out, while you're single or just after breaking up, is an unpleasant experience. Keep the romance (or bromance) to private chat. No matter how cute you think you are, you're more likely to hurt someone's feelings than have any positive effect.

Unless it really is all about showing off. In which case, you're an insensitive jerk, and should be Gone to the Americans.

Only concrete is allowed, because cement is homogeneous.

Watch your language, and avoid homonyms.

Avoid complex systems, wouldn't want to get caught making a homomorphism.

There's a lot more to [censored] than homosexuals.

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*shrugs* They did the wrong thing, you left, reported, moved on.

I don't think Playskool's position is quite fair because I'm reasonably sure no people get murdered because they like Orange Soda.

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Pfft. Someone has hope in humanity. People get killed for all sorts of reasons. Orange soda would not surprise me.

[/ QUOTE ]A fair comment, but I don't think there are roaming gangs of people attacking orange-soda drinkers all across first-world countries.

On the other hand, I wonder how they'd have reacted if it'd been a pair of girls talking flirty with one another.

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Bizarre that you mention it, but orange soda is most notably popular with Arabs.

Fresca = Syrian Magnet. It's a little scary.

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You speak as one of those who immediately falls into a gran mal siezure when the word heal is even mentioned. These boards are filled with such haters of the word heal or healer. It just defies logic. This is the only game where I have seen such anti-heal fanatics.

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Funny that, how I've spent so much time playing Empathy Defenders despite hating heals violently. We don't hate the word heal. We hate the word "healer" coming out of the mouth of those who are ignorant and resistant to accepting that debuffs>buffs>heals.

Egad, someone doesn't like your fringe beliefs in their team chat. I have nothing against that, but I don't think kicking you off the team is a mature way to handle that. When I'm offended by things online (oddly, the most offensive thing I've ever been told in an MMO I heard in CoX), I leave, I don't expect others to do it.

Business as usual. Fly your freak flag high (I certainly do), but don't be surprised when people take shots at it.

Meh, I'm still a wildly conservative religious sort and play lots of RPGs.

I may be a Roman Catholic, but that doesn't stop me from doing VLARP on the handful of occasions I lack the personal inhibitions, good taste, and sanity that usually keep me from it.

*reappears in the Rookery, wearing a bathrobe, slippers, and flak jacket*

Did it! Whee! Yeah! Time for CoX!

And for all you of injured knees, hope you feel better.

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Hi all i graduated today just decided not to walk ( terminator salvation came out) will post a review of the movie soon ...Waves

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Congratulations!

Someone was advertising a Christian SG the other day. I tried to join, but the guy never returned my message.

*runs around the Rookery, tripping over everyone and everything, while incoherently babbling in purple prose about the evils of international law, and by extension, day-long exams on it*

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Broadsword Assault. Complete with shooting swords at people.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDvuBY97cD4

indeed we are falling behind the times.

*Note Castle posted this before, but it works here*

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I was waiting for someone to post that. Best vid ever.

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Short of Hamidon and the high-end strikeforces, I have yet to see a situation in this game where more buffs/debuffs would not be preferable to heals.

If you've capped +DEF, +RES, and the equivalent debuffs on the enemy, and you still need heals, you're doing it wrong.

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Maybe they don't want to wait for just the right defender who can cap everything with just the right amound of buffs and debuffs, and a frickin heal of any sort will cap their hp just fine and dandy. There is no reason on Earth to just avoid heals for the sake of avoiding them, and debuffs with a heal is a nice quick way to get rolling without advertising for a ________ (insert your desired favorite AT here).

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You persist in your delusion of claiming I avoid heals. I could claim, and with more validity, that you are avoiding buffs. When I look for a defender/controller/MM/Corruptor, I am looking for heals. And buffs. And debuffs. And blasts. And control. And soaking ability. And more.

But YOU are defending the term "healer." You would exclude a TA player, or a Kin who skipped Transfusion. Exclude a FF or Traps character. Sonic or Ice. Sets with powerful abilities that could shift the tide of battle before the heals (that don't help much against alphas or lag) you so desire.

You are excluding, not me. You are promoting the use of imprecise terminology from other games, a trait that demonstrates either an unwillingness or inability to adapt to a system that is not the triad of tank-healer-dps.

*de-RPs briefly, inasmuch as Emgro RPs at all*

Just watched Forrest Gump for the first time, admittedly while me and my sister were having a few drinks. Damn good film, but depressing as hell.

Broadsword Assault. Complete with shooting swords at people.