Eiko-chan

Hey, no making Fourth cry!

That's my job!

I'm quite aware that the reason is "Veteran's won't stand for a change".

I'm just trying to convince them that their stance is bad for the game, and thus perhaps some flexibility is required.

So instead of saying "No, don't change veteran rewards at all", maybe we could hear some "Okay, if we get costumes out of the VR program, maybe we could replace them with X", rather than just knee-jerkedly resisting change.

I think Adam West could dance circles around Ledger's Joker. Ledger can't do the Batusi.

Considering that a word invented to be the longest English word, Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, is only 45 characters, you won't see such words even at Mensa.

However, we do have a German-language server and German players, and with the way German words are constructed (as I understand it, for complicated, new, and/or complex especially technological nouns, the proper German name for an object might simply be a literal description of it all strung together as a single word) a 100-character word might be possible.

Or it's just some one going "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" with far too many 'o's.

By that logic, no one should get Power Customisation until they have played for over five years. Nor should they get access to the RWZ or Cimerora for four.

I'm pretty sure the talk is that everyone gets Ultra Mode, not just those that buy Going Rogue.

You left out steps 3 and 4:
3. ??
4. Profit!

So should I have to wait two years to play villains, since you waited two years to get villains released?

If you defeat the entire spawn (one doesn't run off and you miss them), the citizen will run up to you, say you're great, and give a small influence bonus. So there is some pay-off, just not much.

My problem is the large number of people that got some or all of those benefits the first day they were implemented, without "waiting". Every time these Veteran's Rewards discussions come up, this is the point that is constantly ignored - many people (and the vast majority of those speaking against any change in the program) never had to wait for many of the benefits. They acquired them the day they were added to the game engine, or soon thereafter. They never had to wait a year and a half to get wings, or three years to get shorts. They received the benefits as soon as they were made available in the game, like free issues only for veterans.

"Just wait your turn" completely ignores the fact that most people telling me to wait my turn never had to wait for theirs. They got in on opening day.

And I am just talking about costumes (and base decorations) here. In a game whose biggest draw is customisation - and whose biggest direct competitor is trying to boast on having more customisation - cutting off large swaths of your potential customers from any aspects of that customisation is simply bad business.

It is in fact possible to exercise, be in shape, and still be "fat". Losing a gut requires an entirely different set of exercise from fighting.

I submit, Butterbean, AKA Eric Esch, a professional Heavy Weight Champion boxer and Mixed Martial Artist.

Also, what the heck does staying in shape have to do with anything but a Melee set anyway?

Had to put slots somewhere. Boxing is a pretty good set mule, as mentioned above.

Also, I use Boxing as part of my regular attack chain with my SS Tanker. It does (slightly) more damage than Jab.

No, they can wait and do it months down the road and get a small portion of VRs. I'm not proposing everyone get all current VRs as of the day they start (the same small portion as they would if they started today.)

I'll certainly agree it's "equal". Equal is not the same thing as fair.

VRs are equal. Everyone earns at the exact same pace, with the exact same effort.

VRs are unfair. Everyone starts from a different starting point, with advantages provided to some players over others.

Players that joined the game before the VR program started have a decided advantage over players that joined the game after the program started. They received a boost in their veteran's status that other people had no choice of matching, because they did not know there would be a VR program.

Just because everyone "has to do the same thing, at the same pace" does not mean something is fair when everyone starts from a different starting line - and the starting line keeps creeping further and further back as time goes by. It's like a race with a speed limit of 5 mph - somehow this race is "fair", even though some people got to start it right on time, others started it five minutes in, and there are still people starting it now. Oh, and there's a chunk of people that started the race without knowing they were, and the start line was put behind them and their current position was counted as progress in the race. But since everyone goes 5mph, it's all equal, and equal is fair.

Please do not conflate "equal" with fair.

No, badges are. Everyone has to do exactly the same things - at their own pace - to receive a badge.

Veteran's Rewards are unfair because they come for doing nothing. If they reflected actually playing, or actual income, you might have a point. They do not do this.

Giving "bonus" veteran time to people does not remove the incentive of future rewards from anyone, and it is only the future rewards that are a carrot.

"Preferential" in the terms of "getting the same benefits out of veteran's rewards everyone else got on day one", yes.

Well, there's 3.5 gigs of sticks in there, and it only reports 3 of them. Maybe Windows wastes some addresses.

Could also just use Speed as your travel power, if you can handle that.

Doesn't this calculation change slightly if you factor in the -tohit you're inflicting with DM attacks?