Eiko-chan

No no, DOOM is tonight at 11.

I believe you (I can and do team too. I'm not sure how many times I have to say that. I'm really getting tired of repeating myself.) I wouldn't describe actively engaging in draining-but-enjoyable activity to be "casual", though. I don't think most people consider the workout they do at the gym to be "casual", unless they're doing low-impact stuff that doesn't drain them. That was what I objected to - the idea of an introvert engaging in "casual teaming". Introverts can (and do!) team - but I don't think they do it casually.

Since we're talking about Incarnate content, not all content, the lack of solo Incarnate content (Ramiel doesn't count, as you are not running it as in Incarnate, but instead to become one) is the cause of complaint.

Also at stake is the assurance that the Incarnate content will be "the most challenging content yet". That is also a direction undesired by many players, and telling us to simply skip the new advancement system to avoid it is likewise unacceptable.

Read the rest of the thread, especially my posts therein (or at the very least the most-commonly quoted post of mine here). You are quite simply wrong. Introversion isn't a malady. It's just a difference. It's not something you can "unlearn". It's not something that you'll just get rid of by "practice". You quite literally have no idea what you're talking about.

That is the most awesome reason to stop being charitable, and I don't think any of us can fault you. Kudos, sir.

You're probably not as introverted as you think, then. You can be "shy" but extroverted (my brother is this), and you can be outgoing and introverted (as I am.)
Some of us? No, we're not. The fact that you don't think this is a big deal, that you think it can be solved by simply "not saying anything" proves how poorly understood introverts are by extroverts.

Even just teaming is social interaction, the action of characters working together towards a goal, having the action of those other characters affect you and the fight around you, having to adjust tactics because of the actions of those other characters are all things that can drain introverts. Note that "drain" does not mean "unable". It means what it says - it's tiring. It's exercise. Would you want to play the game if the only way you were allowed to do it was running on a treadmill? That's what you're saying here.

Again, not necessarily true. For some introverts, yes. For others, much less so. Forum interaction is interaction we control - it's on our schedule, on our time, at out leisure. If we need to take an hour and half to craft a forum post, we can.

Those luxuries are absent in the game; all interaction is real-time, all decisions and interactions immediate. It's a vastly different thing, and once again the equating of the two shows a deep lack of understanding (I can't fault you for it, society does, in fact, think introverts are broken, but I shall do my best to educate as many as I can, as often as I can, to combat this.)

Sorry, should have been clearer; I meant specifically the high-level TFs, not all TFs. Though I'm sure someone's going to come along with their "I soloed the ITF" story now too. (As I already acknowledged the Mind Doms soloing the LRSF, I hope no one feels a need to mention that, too.)

I, personally, am an excellent player. But one person can't compete a TF solo (except maybe for Mind Doms, but that's another story). The people I run TFs with - and mark me, we run infrequently; it was perhaps once or twice a month when we were doing regularly, and it's been months since that happened - run a gambit from slighter better than me to so wrapped up in concepts and ideas that powers come a close tenth to prime interests.

While we have completed all the top-tier TFs available to us before i19 (a couple of us are almost exclusively villain players, so we as a group don't have a STF under our belts, but this includes BSF, LRSF, and ITF), we have also failed all of those one or more times as well. Every run we make is not a success (but every run is not a failure, either).

That, to me, is an ideal balance of challenge. That failure can come once in a while - due to bad luck, or the wrong mix of powers, or lack of time to regroup and try again - is perfectly fine. That failure should be certain - which I fear might come should "the most challenging content yet" grow to be a reality for future content - is not.

All talk thus far of end game Incarnate content (and thus, for the purposes of this debate, appeals to non-Incarnate content are irrelevant) has been of trials and raids - and trials and raids of unsurpassed difficulty. If the developers want to put out some news about something else, I welcome the opportunity to be able to look forward to new developments. But so far they have been unwilling to discuss anything but these new, harder, bigger team packages, and it is from this that I base my idea that they are telling us this is what they intend to give us, and thus my objection to this being the direction they're choosing to take the Incarnate content.

If someone with a red name wants to come in here and tell me I'm wrong, and that there's other content more to my liking for Incarnates on the horizon, I really wish they would do so. Until then, however, I will continue to express my displeasure with the content they have chosen to concentrate on.

You're absolutely right. I can't believe I didn't realise until you pointed it out that the reason I can't play Dominators is closely related to the reason I can't play Blasters; I've never been able to grasp that "offence as a defence" idea.

Thanks!

I never said we were coordinated.

I also don't mind that we fail the ITF or LRSF (nor do we consistently or routinely fail). I just don't want to see content much above that level, because we do sometimes still fail them. Content much above the level where we sometimes fail will become content that we consistently fail, which is (to me) an unacceptable level of difficulty.

Honestly, soloing an AV isn't really about skill. It's mostly about being able to survive the AV's incoming damage (achieved mostly with debuffs or defence buffs) while packing enough -regen to allow you to deliver consistent damage. It's really more an exercise in patience than anything else.

Honey, I'm an Army of Me, and have the badge to prove it.

I would never insist on bringing a Tanker (I've tanked the LRSF with a Mastermind), I also don't think a Brute is just a better Tanker. Brutes are different from Tankers and operate differently from Tankers. My soft-capped Shield Brute is still not nearly as impervious as my not-capped Willpower Tanker. And my low-level villainous Electric Tanker is already a powerhouse of survival. Playing a Tanker is very different from playing a Brute, and the role it plays on a team is likewise unique.

You can play without a Tanker, because this game is awesome, but you can't play as if you had a Tanker without a Tanker.

That'd be why I only quoted part of it. I can't really refute your opinion of how the system works or will work, so I didn't.

Or realise that supers aren't real people and quite possibly have completely different standards to be held to. Uncle Ben's lessons are nice and all, but when you're talking about individuals who can literally defeat armies single-handedly, for whom it might take concerted effort on the part of a team of likewise untouchable individuals to ever possibly bring them to justice to begin with, maybe the standards aren't the same as they are for those that aren't nigh invulnerable.

Is it really worth the expense and trouble of imprisoning Koronos - a cost likely in the millions if not billions, and potentially requiring the long-term contracting of one or more other supers for the task - when all his present actions have proven he, if not regrets, has at least turned away from his bloody past? Isn't it easier to give him the chance to be the good guy than spend all the time, effort, and money it would cost to contain him?

Then you've been running with some pretty poor Tankers. I apologise for your experiences.

I can point out at least one other prominent poster that is very much in favour of solo Incarnate content. He's not posting here, but he has been very vocal about his desire elsewhere. And there was a post right above one of mine with a poster espousing a "this was my game and you're ruining it" sentiment, expressed before I ever began to.

So claims that I'm the only one are patently and provably false. Please desist with them.

I'd agree. It's hard to be at your best when responding to being told to "suck it up and deal with it".

You might also notice that I tend to be more combative as the frequency of replies and threading goes on. That's the introversion coming out; as the thread continues without chances for me to break away (or if the breaks are for work, which aren't very restful either), my tolerance for stress decreases and it starts to come out more.

Whereas now, I have just returned from my lunch break, and am feeling quite a bit more rested.

I don't dislike teaming. It's not my preferred playstyle, but there are times when I can enjoy a team (especially when my VG mates are around and we get together.) I don't generally seek them out, but I might join up if I see something interesting going on.

But even when I solo, I still enjoy chatting, especially helping people with issues or discussing random topics on the Help channel. Can't do that in a solo game - and I legitimately enjoy answering people's questions and helping them with problems. It's a large part of why I do the work I do; I might be expending myself a bit, but it's a good sort of tiring, like after a good workout.

That was the general area in which I thought you had more than average input, of course.

Brutes are not Tankers. Masterminds are not Tankers. Redside does not have a parallel to the Tanker, and I think the only reason Tanker didn't rate higher on that list is because Tanker is overall a less popular AT.

I didn't pass a value judgement on whether what Arcana wanted was good or bad, you know.