Dz131

Really?

Unfortunately, unlimited ponies is not within the scope of what they were trying to do. Which is a power that fills a hole in your build.

No you see I'm for medicine be unlocked, I don't care either way about boxing, I'm going to take it most of the time either way to mule. If someone else want to champion that cause that's fine, it's not going to make a dif to me, so of course I rarely mention it.

WHen it comes to preference , well alot of people prefer not having to go through one of the powers to get to aid self or tough as you mentioned, but they don't have the choice.
If that's the game changing to me needs that fine, but even if it did change that way, the only thing you would have gotten is more choices for everyone, like choosing to take stim or aid other, not less choices.

Regardless of what or where that change comes form from my wishes or your wishes or w/e, I think more choice is always better especially when there's little to no down side, but that's just imo.

More build choice was just the happy result of what I was asking for so I'm going to mention it in my posts. But I'm not a champion of "more choices".

good point

Well yeah it's pretty obvious it's changed. Changed to destiny 2.0

I got the info from this thread:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=287451

When it says a toggle it's kind of implied that it'll work like all other toggles in the game and not detoggle automatic after a period.

edit: and I believe that's how they worked it beta but I can't say for certain because I wasnt here

if you open up healself as a first pick you can still take heal other and stim just like before if you wanted to. If you force stim and heal other on them and then say the players sux because don't help people when all they wanted and slotted was heal self, well I don't think that's right. I'll just leave it at that.

No one said anything about any other powers except Medicine. I'm saying you shouldn't be forced to play a support role or a dps role if you don't want to, just like people play petless MMs. People should do what they want, if you don't like it just don't group with them.



No, boxing is never a wasted power. You can always use boxing and kick soloing or teaming to fill a chain or leveling or whatever, you can't always use stim and heal other if you solo if at all. In any case changing fighting would only affect very minor of people. Because even if you open up tough as a first pick, you still need another power to take weave, which most people will also take when they're commited to the fightan pool. I don't know where this "nerf fighting" came from, I'm pretty sure I never said anything about changing fighting.

No the idea is to make heal self opened up from the get go. So you have 3 powers to choose from instead of 2, and choose what ever you want the best. What you're saying in your example is changing the entire mechanics of the game which is a complete different issue, you might as well have suggested letting there be friendly fire on AOEs.

Well this is a game thank god that doesn't apply.


Not really. Soloers gain basically nothing from aid other or stim. It doesn't make it more rounded at all. Unless you mean more rounded as it gimp your build slightly so you're not so powerful.

Well when you chose a buff/debuff AT you sort knew what you would be in for, playing support. The point here is that aid other/stim forces people to get support skills even for non support ATs or people who dont want to play support.

Which makes less sense to lock it behind 2 bad borderline useless soloing skills. If this game was designed to be solo friendly. Which is why I brought up changing stim to a mez or whatever, so it won't be 99% useless soloing, merely 95%.

And I'm not your son.



Stop telling people how to play. If they don't want to use it, I'm not going to force them.

..except for soloers.

So you're nitpicking.

Depending on what character I'm on. If I'm on a scrapper or stalker, not really. I'm contributing by ending the fight earlier.


Or ask for one. Or wait for a AT with actual support skills to heal/de mez them.

You also need to do things you don't need to do while play your AT. Such as tracking buffs/debuffs on your teammates instead of tanking or beat stuff up. If the skills aren't on your bar or your bar's full you need to go look for it, and stim takes up 13 end unenchanced. There's lots of reasons what people don't want to use them.

In this case you're telling people how to play, instead of letting them choose themselves, in my opinion game,especially something like CoX shouldn't do something like that.


I think fighting is border line overpowered. You're really getting tough, weave and +3def IO out of fighting, since tough is basically the only power +3 def can go into for a lot of ATs. Boxing/kick I think ACTUALLY balances the pool (but not really, because of how good the set bonuses are for them)

Well yeah, thats what I'm trying to change. I want heal self, I just don't want aid other and stimulant. Is it that hard to imagine people want self-healing especially soloers, and not the other powers?

I'm for it. Infact I'm surprised this didn't get changed with the tank fiascos. In any case, a power made skippable doesn't have any effect on people who like them, they can still choose that power if they want

I don't know either. 1 power pick means the difference between balanced and broken? Is Cox really such a balanced game like that?

Not really, I play all characters. Blasters are why worse off than scrappers in that front, Doms as well, since neither of them have defence skills.

Wow, Mr passive aggressive, you cry about people putting words in your mouth, while you put words in other people's mouths. You should work as a politician, son.


But they are useless and wasted, for people that ONLY want aid self.

And your arguement is what? Some people find it useful therefore everyone finds it useful? You find it useful therefore I should find it useful? What are you saying here? It is a waste power in my opinion, just like in your opinion, it's not. I'm sure there people that agree on both sides.

What's you're describing are incidents, and doesn't hold true at all the time. In any case dying in battle requires no special skills or powers, staying alive does.


And I still think it's useless for scrappers. And you think it's useful. So I guess this is not going anywhere.

Not really. Because 1: Hard rez. 2: breakfree. 3. They wait till the fight's over to res and rest at the same time. I NEVER had to use stim on someone just after a insp rez, even when I had it on my old MM characters. Never.


No, you're say they should be useful for everyone. I find heal other and stim totally useless outside of a MM character and I can easily pull up screen shots in game where people agree. So what? Hell, color coding your insps and binding them to your mouse CAN be useful, doesn't mean people will do it. Alot of players want just heal self, and are forced to waste a power on heal other and stim that they want nothing to do with, because they don't like to play support.


I didn't even bring up min/maxing. I just added it to my list of reasons when someone else brought it up. In any case they changed the travel powers, even though technically, it didn't need to be changed either.

Well I don't think its right just to say since we have alternate methods of healing therefore we should leave it as it is, you can also argue that for travel powers and defence too. This would only showhorn people into cookie cutter builds with the same skills, such as using Rebirth or only choosing the defence pools + speed.

Adding a 5th power would be cool too, but that seems to be more work than just opening Aidself as a first pick.

Uh no, I said they're useless to a lot of scrappers. Who's putting words in whose mouth? Now.