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Apparently during the same meeting when it was decided Micheal Cera was famous enough to have an opinion about? I've never even heard of the guy so >.>

He does later mention it again though when imo not "insane" but whatever.

Azrael mentions a Marvel character at one point when when he is listing people's he's beaten and if I remember right that's from JLA/Avengers too

Tim had a birthday recently at the beginning of that whole thing. He was either 18 or 20, but I can't remember.

Batman and Nightwing stories tend to switch between 10 and 15 years even though they are talking from the same point in time (a few years into Tim's Robiness) and are referring to roughly the same time period (Since Batman became Batman and since Dick lost his parents.)

If we're going to go off of dates like that then Dick lost his parents and became Robin 5 years before Bruce became Batman and we know that isn't right.

Even Conservatively you have to deny the idea that Tim is 17.

Tim became Robin at age 13 or 14 and was a freshman in Highschool
KnightSaga took place over the course of a year
NML lasted for a year
Bruce, Dick, Tim were gone for a year.

That would place Tim as a minimum of 16 or 17 after OYL

Not only that Tim does bad in school (even had been threatened with being held back i believe) due to being Robin and transferring so much and Tim graduated from HS some time ago which would mean that he had to have been no younger than 17 long before the story was written...

Further, no matter how you slice it, the holding of Wayne Tech and such could NEVER be taken over ny him if he was just 17. All of his inheritance would be under Dick's or Alfred's command and he would never be allowed to be the face of the corporation.

No matter how you slice it the Timeline cannot work with less than the following

Y0
+2 Batman working alone -
+6 Robin I years
+2 Robin II years
+1 Batman working alone years
+2 Robin III in action before Batman II. (NY min license req. age 16)
+1 KS
+1 NML
+1 OYL

So at minimum there is 16 years since Batman's debut, 14 since Dicks, and 5 since Tim's which places them at minimum of 42ish, 24ish, and 19ish.

However if we take Nightwing's 15 years ago which he uses a lot around NML that bumps the timeline up a bit to make those minimums go up a year or two. Strangely... this all matches.

The reason for Batman's 10ya and various editors getting it wrong is cuz the official stance keeps on changing and they keep on trying to compress time which makes less and less sense. Dick and Tim are bad at school. It is impossible for them to graduate "on time" not before or after, which they do, and skipping classes like the compressed timelines suggest they do.

Let's not even bring in how much more ludicrous Tim doing that while transferring between schools and schools closing down and travelling around the world for a year.

Actually the main difference between Batman DCAU and DCU... DCAU's Batman's soldiers have all been killed, turned on him, or messed up beyond repair. We never find out what happens to Dick Grayson in the DCAU but from conversation he got himself killed.

With this difference who knows ^.^

She'd be considered tier 4, part of the Old God Pantheon. Many of the Old Gods are created in a similar way. She is not a Meta/Super in my opinion in terms how she was generated.

Metas are regular people who have been given powers above their position by way of the source wave or whatever it's called's return visit manipulating reality to allowing it.

It really says nothing about individual power level but the groups level in general. Especially considering a number of Tier 6s are considered some of the most powerful beings in the universe...like Superman.

Actually... from what I can figure out from what is said on the wiki page is...

Top tier = The source is considered the source of the universe's creation.
tier 2 = Emotional and characteristic type beings (The emo spectrum ^.^ and Death)
tier 3 = Each planet with a civilization has a god/devil (abrahamic faith)
tier 4 = Old Gods (pantheon theologies)/New Gods (4th worlders like Darkseid and Orion)
tier 5 = Supers/Metas
tier 6 = regular people

The interesting thing is that a lot of the supers on Earth are from other planets and not actually supers/metas but rather regulars, like Superman and Martian Manhunter.

Now if Superman is the one that created the universe, even in one of those time loop explanations he would likely be the source. So if Superman is the source, even if he is a t6 being he is still the god of the DCU imo... whether he wills it or not he is what he is.

Now... there are certain things that could happen or be interpreted like the miracle machine is actually the source or something like that...


on a side note if Superman is actually the Source wouldn't that be something... as only a small number of people, generally Superman's enemies can go through the source wall which kinda makes you wonder how crazy that would make them to find out that Superman is the source.

edit: Also this would place the Spectre, Angels, and Demons at the same level as the New Gods and Old Gods.

this is what I have read in the wiki...I'm not there yet so I don't necessarily know.

But again, the difference is in what happened the Source is considered the god of DCU's universe, but when Superman recreated the universe using the miracle machine he himself would have become the source.

With all the others they are just operating within the system that is already there and able to manipulate it more.

I could see how that could confuse the situation but the difference here is Superman created a universe where as Damage would have used what was there to reboot the universe.

basically in terms of computers Superman created a whole new Computer where as Damage reinstalled the OS sorta thing.

Trying to not make this go that way. I am not drawing any parallel to any religion's god. I am saying that Superman is DCU's god...not Superman is something like abrahamic faith's god.

I can have a whole discussion on what you did there because it drives me nuts that people do it, but to do so would defeat the the point of trying not to make this some religious debate. Basically, you saw god and assumed I meant El (God, Allah, YHWH [I just thought of something funny about those names but i won't say it]). I didn't. I meant god in the terms of creator being and not a specific one.

I could list the specs of a future bat suit and the real advantages that he'll have are not from advanced tech but rather using the common tech that normal people likely wont be using all the time... like artificial muscle fiber which is something like 10 times stronger than real muscle fiber that we are working on to make prosthetics. We're using it in prosthetics cuz works, but you can use it without the prosthetics piece and get the same or near the same result...obviously a steel leg will hold up longer than a bone leg.

The thing about the future is that the skills will make a big difference as everybody could be low grade supermen. Crooks will have to become better marksmen because anything less than a head shot will not work, and even then it might not work to permanently kill someone. A criminal in the future, to kill someone, might have to literally head shot every one of their victims with incendiary rounds that completely burn away the brain so that there is no way to reform it.

Because of this Batman's story will have to change nearly completely in the next 100 years... we're not even talking in the cyber age yet... by the time we get there there will be virtually nothing left of the Bruce character we know.

A sliding timeline is still progressive. The sliding Timeline allows them to say that X adventure didn't happen in 2001 when according to the story it happened last year and it's 2010. The sliding timeline says x adventure published in 2001 took place in 2009 in 2010 and in 2020 it will have happened in 2019.

This is why their timeline is actually based on a specified point in-universe time and is largely measured in what i call Robin Time...

Superman (age 23) debuts in year 0 or RT -2
Batman (age 26) debuts in year 1 or RT -1
Robin I debuts in year 3 or RT 1
Robin I leaves Batman in year 9 or RT 7
Robin II debuts in year 10 or RT 8
Robin II dies in year 12 or RT 10
Robin III debuts in year 13 or RT 11
Robin III adopts new costume in I believe in year 20 or RT 18.
Robin IV debuts, Dick becomes Batman, and Tim becomes Red Robin in year 22 or RT 20

there is just about no other character you can tell time by in DCU other than by Robin

edit: Also RT18 was in 2006 our time, but in DCU time it happened in 2008 ^.^ This is all it means to have a sliding timeline.

There is a solution to this imo...

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight

Have titles dedicated to a specific time period in DCU, but let "main titles" advance.

This allows for it to make sense but at the same time let people experience the characters as they were. I'd love this even now as LotDK covers pretty much a time period before Robin which means unless I go looking for them I will never read about the adventures of Barbara Gordon as Batgirl or Dick Grayson as Robin because those adventures are pretty much not in modern age continuity and it's too much of a pain.

Batman is roughly 40 right now. He has been aging ever since the modern age started.

When Batman began the creators skipped over his first few years pretty much which put him in the 3rd through 9th year from 1939 to 1985 which placed Batman perpetually in his late 20s, early 30s. But once the modern age started Robin Time started showing and between 1986 and 1989 he ages 3 years and then Tim came along and Bruce over the next 18 years time in the DCU advanced another 4-6 years. Which means by this time he's 40ish years old.

If you take DCU's time line and look at it from Robin Time... roughly 5 years of real time = 1 year in DCU... which also means that their tech advances at about the same speed. So in 2050 our year, it will have passed another 10 years their time and Batman will be 50ish. Funny thing is that is when all the comics say he starts relying on more high tech stuff anyways so...