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whether it killed Turpin or not is not to say it didn't kill Darkseid... whether its through a roundabout method or straight forward he still did it. However when you think about it you could say that you can't "kill" anyone in comics because there is an after life and Darkseid was already dead so Batman didn't see it as killing him.

Also, if you think the plot of Countdown was "Find Ray Palmer" you missed the plot altogether. The plot being Darkseid manipulating Solomon into ignoring the fact that he is getting his hands on the Anti-life equation due to the breaches occurring. Without Final Crisis you are left with the idea that his purpose was to get all the power of the New Gods, but thinking on it it's obvious that that was a distraction...


And perhaps I like RIP due to the fact I did read it all in one go, but I think I'd like it regardless... Memory is a good thing ^.^

Fatally wounded is the same thing as killing...that's the whole "fatally" part.

on another note, now that i have finished reading up to the August 09 for everything save for Batman Confidential and Superman / Batman, got my lists updated and sorted out for what I need to read from this point on (and there is a lot) I've decided with 14 titles all together I could stand to drop one and I've been trying to avoid things that are not cannon... so I'm going to drop Batman Confidential and save myself some agony of getting through any more of that garbage. Some stories are cute and quarky, but for the most part I don't find them interesting or all that good.

After now reading these books i have to amend what I have said in the past...

Batman RIP is a decent book, but it doesn't have a clear ending. I liked a lot of the points that people dislike about it, such as Batman of Zur en Ahr, which is an awesome call back and he did well explaining how it happened. People being mad at that call back is silly imo...

Countdown to Final Crisis... Again I don't see why people dislike this book. It's a good story that does maintain a story through out, and while there is the problem that it was promoting Tie-ins it was not necessary to read them like Linkara said...and quite frankly the book is a nice good story... The only real problem with it is that FC has little to do with it and the end feels like a cheat as it seems like all the stories instead of building to a climax go "annnnnd we're done" right before the end.

I actually consider it more important in the overall scope than FC because it's clear that what the writer was doing is pretty much the same thing that Zero Hour did. It was setting up the various futures of the multiverse, putting to bed whether this or that future was the true future of the universe and whatever happened to it.... like the Komandi future.

Final Crisis... on the other hand I didn't like and view it as over hyped for what it did. It was more a story just to kill Batman and set up Blackest Night than it was a Crisis in my opinion.

What they should have done is take Countdown, call that "Final Crisis" or "Future Crisis" or something like that... took Final Crisis and called it "Prelude" to Blackest Night.


I also don't like Batman's scene where he kills Darkseid, because he wouldn't do that. He values all life so unless he somehow takes it to mean that Darkseid is antilife, which he couldn't have (Even if Darkseid uses the antilife equation on everyone he is still Alive and without suicide he still loses), he wouldn't do that. I like the scene, but I wish they could have figured another way to go about doing it.

Actually no, Backfire... Gotham City seems to operate in another universe or be filled with d-bags because vigilantism in the DCU is considered perfectly ok for everyone other than Batman. Even Dick and Tim are perfectly accepted when they aren't with Batman.

I think the whole no vigilante thing is actually blow back from Batman's "this is my city" thing where he doesn't allow anyone else in the city...If they don't have to deal with the rest, why deal with Batman too? Or something like that.

In the coming years...

Helena Bertinelli will retire from Huntress
Misfit will become Huntress
Bruce will semi-retire
Bruce and Selina will get married and refind/adopt Helena Kyle
Bruce will retire and Damian will take over
Helena Kyle will become Huntress
Damian will disappear
Bruce will try to be Batman again and have a problem causing him to perma retire.
Bruce will become commissioner for a short while
Selina will die
Barbara will become commissioner
Terry will become Batman

that sound about right with what they're doing...

I forget the name but it's something like Clockwork something that is owned and ran by Barbara Gordon as a front for the Birds of Prey, but the Birds are part of the corporation...so >.>

I have to point out with the art that it's not just "the artist's" fault here.

It the fault of the the...
Editor: for not catching it.
Penciller: for being so sloppy.
Inker: for not making the judgement call and not inking some of those lines
Colorist: for letting those lines appear

It seems to me the colorist is a hack on everything but faces which is semi ok if you have a non-lazy penciller/inker, but it seems to me the whole artistic team is lazy and if this is as landmark as they are saying it's really asinine to be that damn awful.

It seems that I need to comment on all Bat related threads but...

#1. This whole is more or less so unoriginal at this point and seems like it's bandwagoning with Ollie in smallville, Claire from Heroes, Marvel's Civil War, and Stark in Ironman.

#2. This is more or less a no **** moment that noone should even remotely be surprised at. Bruce works with Batman continuously throughout his career. He probably is the funding of JLA either directly or indirectly and either way it would be easy to find out, He works with the super community with pretty much no problem... He has to have a contact somehow.

#3. Sorta makes the whole Tim becoming crippled thing a waste.

#4. His villains spend all their time trying to mess with him and want to hurt him more than kill him so it's like most of them have some idea of them working together or being the same person...

#5. Gordon and many of the good guys already know... and this is somewhat confirmed back in Birds of Prey vol1 when Barbara Gordon tells the Commissioner about her being Oracle and then tells him about being Batgirl and he's just like "I knew that a long time ago"


So what do I think of the story? I'm ok with it to a degree... maybe it will rectify Dick grayson and make people care about his character enough to learn his history. But I'm pretty sure this is only going to go on for a while and then they have something major happen and Bruce will realize that the whole Batman inc. is a huge mistake and he will go back to just himself, or quit and that will usher in a new Batman... or they'll reboot or Bruce will find some fountain of youth thing like the JSA...

Numbers are just to see how many there are in this list of arcs >.> this isn't a list of the top arcs, but rather ones i can think of off the top of my head... and we gotta get up to 100 before we can really knock some off the list ^.^

001. The Death and Return of Superman
002. Knight Saga
003. No Man's Land
004. Contagion
005. Cataclysm
006. HUSH
007. The Great Darkness Saga
008. Crisis on Infinite Earths
009. Infinite Crisis
010. Zero Hour
011. 52
012. Final Crisis
013. The OMAC Project
014. War Games
015. Zero Hour
016. Battle for the Cowl
017. The Killing Joke
018. World War III
019. Kingdom Come
020. Villains United

i was thinking... we're supposedly into comics and all why don't we come up with a top 100 list of the best comic story arcs?

i love watching AOTS and i got rid of directTV a long time ago...

There is too much dialog when it is uninteresting.

And here i thought that the whole mind reading thing (which we can do like 90% accurately) would scare people...not the thing that makes people not scared... especially since being scared of it is proof they haven't used it on you.

No, White Hot Flash. I think that though English allows for one to express various layers within their words it becomes worthless and meritless if those layers go missing. It doesn't matter how quick you can turn a sentence to mean something else or how much you can accurately read into the intentions of someone by the words that they choose if when you communicate you are never understood. The score for the most beautiful song in the universe is worthless to someone who can't read it or only has a very poor ability to comprehend and compose it no matter if they seek to hear the most beautiful song. To them that song could never be it and the writer of that song has gone unheard and thus failed.

As simple and obvious as it sounds it means nothing to make noise without meaning and that is lost on people.

I hardly believe that verbosity, articulation, or even creativity is all that important when it comes to language, but rather how well one can express to people their thoughts and comprehend others'. No matter the temerity or tenacity one has for words it is, indeed, the thought that counts in the end. ^.^

It annoys me that people still don't understand that there is the word Newb and then there is the word N00b... One means a new person to whatever while the other is person that acts like they are new and never learns despite all efforts of other people to help them.

I'm an excellent writer and know most of the rules of languages, definitions of words, and how to make most of what I say accurate grammatically, but why do so? More often than not someone is going to misunderstand you, not know the definition of a word, or think the the structure of a sentence is wrong because it's outside the normal structure that most of the English speaking world uses even though it is not the only structure acceptable. We learn that at very young age, forced to take classes to understand our own language and the rules that it has I find it quite funny that a person who says, "English, correctly you do not speak," is thought to have spoken wrongly when it is proper and those grammar people will try to correct this, but not once have I ever seen one correct someone for not apostrophizing shortened and concatenated words incorrectly, such as the word "blooming" shortened to "bloomin'." Perhaps we as a people view that shortening a word one letter by adding another symbol is kinda silly.