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So the Star Sapphires don't exist because Hawkman and Hawkwoman(girl) are the core of the Star Sapphire power and also it seems DC people have a thing against love... kinda explains why Tim Drake and Stephanie Brown has lost their books

Yes...

People related to Bruce Wayne either through adoption, marriage, or blood...

Thomas Wayne (Doctor Hurt) - Great Great Great Grandfather or Uncle
Kathy Kane (Batwoman I) - Aunt via Marriage through Mother's Brother
Alfred Pennyworth - Guardian = semi-adopted
Leslie - Guardian = semi-adopted
Bruce Wayne - Bruce is Bruce ^.^
Dick Grayson - Ward = semi-adopted
Jason Todd - Adopted
Tim Drake - Adopted
Cassandra Cain - Adopted
Damian Wayne - Blood

Talia al Ghul - Damian's Mother
Ra's al Ghul - Grandfather of Damian
Dusan al Ghul - Uncle of Damian
Nyssa Ratko - Aunt of Damian
Sensei - Great Grandfather? of Damian

Sandra Woosan (Lady Shiva) - Mother of Cassandra Cain
David Cain - Father of Cassandra Cain

Selina Kyle + Helena Kyle/Wayne/Bertinelli depends on what canon you are talking about are Married and Child.

You also have Kate Kane (Batwoman II) who isn't stated as being related to anyone we can link with Bruce, but it is likely she is a second or third cousin. And Mary Kane (Bat-Girl/Flamebird) who is stated as being Kate's cousin and she is said to have an aunt named Catherine. Kate also has a twin sister ^.^

Given the common C(K)atherine name, Kane name, and connection through Mary Kane of her knowing Batwoman I it is likely they are related and thus related to Bruce.

If Barbara and Dick ever get married that creates another familial link

Basically any time you see a Wayne, Kane, al Ghul, or Gordon name they are part of a huge extended family...

also we have recently learned that the Waynes, Kanes, Elliots, and Cobblepots are all first families of Gotham which indicates a social and familial link meaning Penguin and Hush are potentially related via blood in some way.

We also were recently introduced to a new character in Red Robin who is thousands of years old and that implies a relation to al Ghul that seems to have a thing for Tim Drake along with one of al Ghul's daughters which is another possible future link together...

Also possible future links are...
The Fox Family (Tamera might end up marrying Tim ^.^)
The Brown Family (Clue Master + Stephanie)
The McGuiness Family (Terry is a clone, but to what degree no clue)
The House of El (Assuming another clone comes about and the wanting silver/golden age things to return Batman Jr might return and marry a kid of Superman's)

You can also look at Bruce and Clark as brothers as Jor El's sending Kal El to earth was predicated on accepting Thomas as an adoptive father to his son, but that's a whole nother issue ^.^

On the one hand I agree and I think this even more the case with the prospects of future technology...

On the other hand you got to live to see those days....

But even me with my fat *** will likely see those days even if I don't take care of myself...

So it's sorta a catch 22 and in reality even the best, most healthiest of us die...sometimes even from being "too healthy"

The calorie counts are generally one of the reasons I eat like once a day. 1 - 2 thousand calories in most things is normal and unless you eat once a day, extremely healthy, or you become neurotic about counting calories and such you aren't going to even remotely be able to eat 3 or 4 times a day and be healthy, but people seem to think they should so whatever.

incidental knowledge is extremely important is what makes a genius a genius. (genius not in the IQ sense but generally recognized as someone who has novel insight just incredibly good at something). Discoveries and such come from combining ideas that have never been combined before by a person that can verbalize or implement the implications of those ideas coming together. Without the ability to incidentally discover new things there's a smaller chance of that happening, especially in more and more specialized fields...

This is why entertainment is important... Which crushes plato's argument that the arts have no merit in society... it's because the good artist has a basic knowledge in a number of things and can throw ideas together and play with them in the realm of the mind thus giving insight to the people who work in other fields. Without the arts I don't think we'd be as far as we are now technologically.

One might say that War and Art are the two great motivators of advancement and a civilized world shouldn't do one of them.

I think we still have that problem, not cuz access or what not but because people are not being educated in how to read things, think about things, and in general not be gullible fools. People complain all he time that science says today apples are bad for you tomorrow they'll say they are good. Why listen when it's always changing and wrong day to day? I find that people don't read/listen, can't understand basic things, and don't even know how to look for proper information and how to distinguish good info from bad, and what makes it worse is that we now have our search software reinforcing our bad ideas. It's understandable... We want certain info and we don't want to search through all what we consider "the garbage" so search takes into account our past searches and where we're from and any info it can figure out from us and uses that to come up with results that we want to see rather than a more accurate view on things.

forgot to comment on that...

Bruce has never been "Noone but me can be here" but rather "Only people I approve of can be here" He also lessened his "loner" policy after Return of Bruce Wayne and after other points in his story (which is why canon is important) because he realized he needed others

But basically originally it was "with his approval" and then as he got other agents he trusted it was "with approval from me or my agents" This is why Black Canary was not welcome in Gotham for a while but then after Oracle made her an agent she was. He also only disapproved of Helena and Stephanie because they reminded him of Barbara and what ended up happening to her... and as shown, with very good reason. Helena was nearly shot to death and Stephanie was nearly (actually she was but retcons ^.^) beat to death. Further Maggie Kyle was driven insane for her connection to Selina, Wendy was crippled due to her connection with the titans, Cassandra was hypnotized and used as a weapon, Canary was *****, and I'm pretty sure there are a few other crappy things that have happened to the teen female vigilantes that I would consider part of the bat family. So generally speaking the "approval" policy when enforced has been shown more so as an emotional trauma thing than a loner thing.

The only time in my memory that I can recall Bruce using the approval policy on non-female vigilantes is with Superman which is because he knows that Superman can't help with the problems in Gotham because they aren't a matter of Super Powerful opponents but rather socio-cultural problem and a morale problem. I mean, you can't really beat sense into an insane clown.

No. In the Flashpoint Timeline Bruce Wayne died, but both his parents survived. His father became Batman and his mother became the Joker.

game over...

I think that sums up how i feel about DC at this point. They've lost the path and they don't see the cliff they're walking straight towards.

My problem is that the entire thing is a propaganda piece trying to get little girls to join a racist sexist cult...but hey, that's just me ^.^

No. You are suggesting getting rid of the grid which is stupid, and over looking the fact that the solution to the problem you're creating by removing that grid.

they are still insanely bad camp and cheesy... ^.^

Well I don't think is mind is likely raunchier than anyone's and I'm bbetting whoever wrote that meant it to sound that way. The only way you really wouln't pick up on that is if you were massively naive.

This type of thinking is a problem... You're thinking it can't be stored or it's so little power it's not worth it. This is the wrong way to look at it.

Even the smallest amount of electrical generation will be favorable to our system now provided that the cell is durable enough that it doesn't require replacement so often that the electricy : money ratio is worse or equal to the grid's ratio.

A lot of people at the very least "want" to go green. They at least understand the situation in terms that see it as a good thing... some it's that green products cost less per month and others it is that going green saves the world. The fact of the matter is most people would have solar cells of some sort if they weren't such a massive investment. They're something like $10,000 and even though you can get money back from the government and all that good stuff, the fact is there isn't a good enough guarantee for most to bite in at that price.

Now let's assume the common efficiency of solar cells is 20% and these new ones are 1%. The normal one cost $10,000 + whatever install. The new ones apparently cost maybe $100-200 + install. Let's say the house is 100 meters and it gets light usually 12 hours a day... that's 432 million watts from the normal solar cell and 21.6 million watts for the new ones over the course of a month. The Normal house needs 6000 w / second apparently which ends up being 259.2 million watts per month.

The normal solar cells are definitely worth it when you see that you are 4times as much power as you'll likely ever need, but with that there are so many cost and risks with the area you live in plus if your roof is damaged you have to buy new ones and so much other junk that most people see the risk outweighing the reward of never having to pay an electric bill again and possibly getting paid by the electric company...

Now if we say put up these for $200+installation for $50-100 that $300 investment translates directly to probable 10-20% decrease in your monthly electric bill and hey if it doesn't work out, it was only $300. If it needs to be replaced it's rather cheap so not a problem. The decision goes from one of buying a car or one of being buying a game console. From a major home purchase to a children's toy.

This does quite a number of good things. It means that people can test the waters of solar cells cheaply. It means that instead of this instant fall off for electric companies there is a gradual fall off. It means that the electric company can repurpose itself into installers of solar cells and maintainers of the grid rather than electrical plants. It means that the company that produces these cell will be able to get money and data and then slowly improve them over time... Also if the layering ability is there as i mentioned in an earlier post, assuming that these only cost like $200 and 1% and normal cells are $10k and 20% you could get the same efficiency if you simply put 20 layers down and it would cost half as much.... but also if this is true it has the quality if providing the scale-ability fora market that ranges from just barely able to afford one layer to able to afford a thousand layers.

Further more...for those who are just barely able to afford it...
Let's assume that an average electric bill is around $100... with one layer on an average house this will drop to $80...meaning that they now ave an extra $20 a month... now if they were to save that over the course of 10 months they could get another layer and 10 months later they could afford 2 layers ten months later another 3 layers and you have your entire electrical bill paid for ever now. That's within 2 years. But more importantly... that money can now go elsewhere to help with the economy OR they could start buying more layers and feeding into the grid meaning that 1 solar cell house... within 2 years could start providing electricity to their neighbor hood... 1 house with 1000 layers = 20 houses of electricity.

Now you're worried where am i going to get power when its dark... the grid obviously. The Excess power goes to the grid and any needed comes from the grid. Because the grid already has power storage they already have the problem of where to get/send that power solved.

Oa and the Guardians are not their original "race" nor planet

Both of those formed in response to the actions that Krona took and lead to his banishment.

I'd bet neither...

to be fair Sinestro hasn't killed them or tried to kill them where as Hal has at least once and possibly 2 or 3 times.

so 1% efficiency = 10 watts... I'm going to assume that is 10 watts per second or something like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cell#Efficiency

doesn't really help, but I was wrong... the efficiency is 40% ish at best, but I think the common ones are much lower.

The problem is that this kind of thing, where in two parties argue and then you guys go "it's a political thing so shut up" is that this is not a political thing. It's a scientific factual thing that ignorant people made political by twisting facts and presented it to the public to promote a "science is evil" agenda. One side thinks that unqualified known propagandists that aren't basing what they think on a proper understanding of what happened says is true and the other side understands what happened ignores those propagandists and follows the actual articles.

What do I mean?
Well for example global warming is indeed happening. Why is it happening? Several reasons most likely, but one of the reasons we believed was causing it turned out to show weird data that showed that one source wasn't a source of the warming. This is the data that is shown to be "faulty" and "covered up". Scientists thought one source was a cause and it wasn't. This was construed as showing that warming wasn't happening at all because that is what propagandists said it meant. Where in reality what the data shows is that x isn't the source. You could argue that x isn't the source could be inflated to "man" isn't the source, but that is an over generalization when we look at ALL the data, understand it, and don't read it biasly... and this is the scientific consensus.

Oh and by the way... the scientific consensus is not changed by someone that isn't well versed in that field and/or is considered a crackpot in general. There are scientists that don't accept evolution, einsteinian physics, black holes, quantum physics, history, and a whole lot of other things that ARE the scientific consensus and they tend to be poorly educated, have other motives, aren't commenting on their field, have religious or political agendas, or in some cases are just plain nuts.

Now on to the thing that I said about the smog reduction thing. The problem is not that we don't need to get rid of it, but that getting rid of it rapidly could cause a problem. The temperate was higher than usual due to low to no plane flights after 9/11 which confused scientists at first. What they found after investigating is that smog and other such "pollution" is helping to balance the equation to make it seem cooler by several degrees. Who knows what would happen if we suddenly stopped producing all that smog other than it would get real hot real fast until equilibrium was met again in some form it might be that we release a controlled amount of air pollution to repair the damage and not give ourselves heat stroke, or it might be the adoption of this technology is slower than other technology and it just naturally balances itself out.

On the issues of 1% efficiency when they talk about that they mean, if i remember right, 1% of the light energy that hits the cell is converted into electricity while the rest is either lost in conversion or isn't gathered. I think panels we're used to seeing are only like 7-9% efficient, but I'm not looking that up right now. Presumably if you cold layer this the 1% thing doesn't matter if it's light escaping... If that is that the rest of the 99% isn't lost in conversion... because you could just put 7-9 layers of this stuff on anywhere and get the same effect and it would still be lighter and cheaper...if I'm reading this right.