Durakken
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Quote:Why would I care about that and what does that have to do with this and how do you even know that is true?Originally Posted by Mandu
The reason Durakken is making this argument is because he never goes to theaters. Every movie he comments on he has only seen either on dvd or a pirate camcorder recording if the dvd isn't out yet. -
Quote:Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
If you're going with the Brane model, then yes, you have (possibly) infinite universes...but it's very likely that they all have different laws of physics,
Wrong, but I'm done arguing about it...back to talking about the awesomeness of this movie! -
Quote:it never works...Originally Posted by myskatz
A friend gave me this... so if you want to let them know how you feel about this cancellation just contact this person...
http://www.nbcuni.com/contact-us/syfy/sallie-schoneboom
just my two cents.... -
Season 5 is when they always kill a show if not the first season.
I guess they believe after 5 seasons the contracts will get too high and so they cancel the show or something to that effect. Also they have enough for syndication by the 5th season i believe so there is no reason to keep paying when they can just put out reruns. -
Quote:That's not what I said or implied.Originally Posted by Lothic
I don't have a problem with accepting the current multiverse theories or even the fantastic idea that there might be other Earths out there that are almost (or even exact) copies of our own. I just think the fundamental chances of finding those other Earths will always be very, very low. There's effectively no chance such a planet exists within a few 100 light years of us or that if we just fly off in some direction that it'll be a "50/50" chance we'll find one as Durakken implies.
The theory is reasonable enough. But reality also dictates having rational expectations as well.
I said that the idea of meeting an exact copy is not absurd.
At this time it was no clear that the planet mentioned was supposedly only 350 light years away. When it was made clear. I clarified what I said. -
This series is great.
There are cliches, but cliche just means it works. Nothing wrong with that.
The only part that pissed me off was the end of the 4th episode where everyone is all "you think that does anything" and she's like "no but lets pray!" and these guys that have been mocking her the entire time do. That's stupid, insulting, breaks character, and I really hate having religion blatantly forced down anyone's throat.
Everything else... good. I like that it sets a clue and then it answers that clue a little later. Like "When we pictured designing mechs we figured we'd make them look like us, wonder why the skitters didn't" which is answered, not told, but shown.
I wish the season was longer and i wish the next episode wasn't a year away... and I wish it wasn't so blasted hard to actually watch the series. It's almost like they don't want people to. If you didn't decide to watch the series until just yesterday you aren't going to watch it unless you pirate it because the only episodes they have up are 5, 6, and 7.
I'm betting on another alien force that starts to help out like the french did against the british ^.^ -
Quote:and as a person that pays attention to this stuff I have to say yes, people who actually understand what the various facts bare out believe that.Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
As a scientist, I have to say that no, nobody believes all that.
Flat universe implies infinite universe implies infinite probability implies inevitable repeats infinitely
11 dimensional model, which is the standard view says there are infinite timelines for every "universe" that has time which implies inevitable repeat infinitely
11 dimensional model, string theory, and quantum computing implies infinite membranes and as such implies inevitable repeat infinitely
If you disagree with the most accurate mapping of the universe we have, the standard model, and models that have born fruit that make many of the other parts of our scientific understanding then I'm sorry, but you're not a very credible scientist... you may be right, but not very credible. -
Quote:It's not...Originally Posted by mousedroid
So if I understand you correctly, you're saying that somewhere in our universe there is a planet that is 100% identical to the Earth? I know the universe is unimaginably immense but to me that sounds like utter nonsense.
In fact scientists believe that there is...
Every possibility played out within our universe multiple times infinitely
Every possibility played out across an infinitely diverging space time
Every possibility played out across infinite amounts of membranes
This means that there are an infinite amount of exact duplicates of you and our planet spread across an 3 or 4 levels of infinite cosmology and also an infinite amount of "almost" exact duplicates as well. All it takes is someone taking the trip that far distant space and it is a 50/50 shot they'll meet their exact duplicate. -
Quote:Just light speed travel, yeah not likely, but like I said, go far enough and that could be facilitated by any number of means, you could get a planet that is exactly the same as earth down to it's history and the people involved, but if it's just light travel to a close by planet then yeah that's not very likely at all, but that's why in those types of situations it's easy to use something more realistic for people that are sticklers for that type of thing.Originally Posted by mousedroid
I know this could derail the discussion of the current movie, but huh?
Maybe I didn't give enough facts. The astronauts in the novel travelled 350 light years in a near-lightspeed ship to a planet they named Soror. This planet was populated by intelligent apes who had subjegated human beings. Not human-like beings, human beings; the protagonist is able to mate and procreate with one of the Soror humans.
At the end of the novel, the astronaut, and I think his pregnant wife, hop back in the spaceship and high-tail it back to Earth. Due to it being a 700 light year round trip (thanks to time dialation they only age about two years each way), they arrive on Earth 700 years after the astronaut originally left to find that the humans on Earth have also been subjugated by intelligent apes.
There's no wormholes, and no time travel, just two planets 350 light years apart that are, for all intensive porpoises, identical. You can't tell me that scientifcally that is 100% likely.
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looks more like a bad cosplay of the drunk evil superman clone of superman 3 was it... than it does superman
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you are saying
this
http://w-b207-2b-26.blogspot.com/2011/05/cartoons.html
is sillier than this
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1...7-catwoman.jpg
And we're not talking about the numerous other costumes that are the same or "sillier" used throughout movies. -
The thing is... with Batman all his stuff needs to have a purpose. that's how he operates.
With Catwoman, not so much. She sees Batman and decides to become catwoman. She likes the excitement of what she's doing and all that. She's not doing it for "practical" reasons, though there is one which will likely be ignored.
It's about what works for the character.
As far "it'd look silly" isn't that what they said about the Xmen yellow and blue suits... they didn't seem silly to me in First class... nor do any of the costumes done right. I think people are silly, not costumes. -
Quote:Did not know that... and actually that's not far fetched at all. Assuming a worm hole or anomaly of some sort sent the astronauts far enough, a world that follows the course of earth is 100% likely.Originally Posted by mousedroid
Don't know if you're (general you, not specific) aware of this or not, but the ending of the 2001 remake was a nod to the ending of the Pierre Boulle novel that the whole franchise was based on. In the book
A) the planet of the apes (Soror) was a different world, but one that paralleled Earth's development, and
B) the "Taylor" character in the book returned to Earth to find that 700 years had passed and the humans on Earth had made the same mistakes as the humans on Soror, and apes had become the dominate species on Earth too.
Granted, the idea of two planets hundreds of light years apart developing identical intelligent lifeforms and experiencing similar historical events is pretty goofy these days, but in the context of the book it at least made more sense. The movie made it seem like some one had travelled to Earth's distant past and replaced humans with apes and it was more confusing than anything else.
I guess then if we dissect the scene at the end of PotA 2001 the problem isn't so much the ending so much as that General Thade was supposedly the equivalent to Abraham Lincoln some how when given all facts the it doesn't make any sense.
Also i've never quite liked the name... Earth is already the Planet of the Apes... Humans are Apes >.> -
Quote:... That's guy's an idiot.Originally Posted by Chyll
Yeah, I saw one that was not particularly favorable.
Can't re-find the link tho.
Still, looking.
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Here is one that isn't crazy about it. Still can't find the one I remembered reading.
All of his criticisms are answered in Movie Bob's review and the only criticism he truly has is "it's not the original" and of course it's not... it's a reimagining of the entire world and the starts with the 4th movie... the only real problem that this series will have is if it gets to the 3rd movie which would be kinda odd because it would require a time traveler which might be answered in the next film by a guy leaving Earth before any of this happens...or the 5th film which would need to the apes to go to the past at this current point in history.
It's still well within good story telling parameters even if they don't tell about those parts until the 3rd/5th movie... The 5th movie taking the more open loop time travel paradigm than the closed loop time travel one in the orginal. -
Batman...Taller than Bane? fail...
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Quote:I see where they could have gone with that... all bad, but it was memorable...whether that is a good thing or not is another question. It leaves the audience with a want to see what happens next, but since the next part never came it leaves you with an ick feelOriginally Posted by Lothic
Yeah the twist Ape-America ending certainly didn't help. But the whole "research space station using ape pilots" premise seemed weird to me and some of the main casting/acting was just plain weak. Sure a few like Tim Roth and Helena Bonham Carter did alright but Mark Wahlberg and Estella Warren were downright lackluster. The irony with Estella is that she was completely upstaged by Linda Harrison's Nova (from the original PoTA) who basically didn't even say a word in that movie.
Btw, has anyone heard a bad review of this movie? -
Quote:Yes it does, but I may be remembering this wrong, it has turned off in the past for short periods it didn't cause too many problems... of course that would have been 100s of thousands of years ago whn it happened but... yeah >.>Originally Posted by mousedroid
Aren't we in trouble if the magentosphere shuts off anyway? Isn't that what keeps out a lot of the dangerous radiation from the sun?
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Quote:My bad, the plot synopsis i read didn't include Aldo as the original first ape and I was unaware of him. It's also apparently 500 years earlier than supposed to happen.Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
The mucking around happens by Cornelius and Zira showing up in the past. Before that, it was Aldo who was the first to speak and say "No". That was Cornelius reciting history as he knew it. Now, you can argue that he was wrong and that he didn't know the true history, but there's only a shaky basis for making that argument. Caesar wasn't there to lead a revolt before Cornelius and Zira did their time traveling. It's NOT a closed loop, unless you want to believe that Caesar somehow accomplished a grand cover-up of his own role in history. Or maybe the Orangs did it the same way they tried to coverup the history of the Forbidden Zone. It's a whole lot of hand-waving to make that work. Never mind that we see the Lawgiver telling his story to a mixed society of humans and apes instead of an all-ape society.
As for the writer saying that,I suppose he's welcome to his opinion, but what was filmed and edited to create the story was a final chapter in which the apes and humans came to a compromise and were living together at the end. How that leads inevitably to the state of affairs in Taylor's future, I can't even begin to imagine, no matter what the scriptwriter intended or desired. The screenwriter is only one small part of a film and not the most important part by any means. He doesn't get the final say about what it all "really" means.
I still think it can easily be explained as Aldo and Caesar were always in history. It's just that the Apes got the date wrong and for some reason Aldo became prominent while Caesar vanished from history. -
Quote:remembering is just playing data. Data that you recorded from your eyes (camera) your ears (microphone) your skin (haven't got anythng yet) or from your own thoughts.Originally Posted by Ironblade
"Not really" to what part? If it's in response to the third sentence (difference between remembering and watching), then your statement is absolutely absurd and negates any possibility of having an intelligent discussion.
If it's in response to either of the first two sentences, that's fine.
There is no difference beside the unreliability of human memory between recalling something from memory and going to a movie and recording with a camera from a pure systems point of view. -
when I first saw this I was like what are the kooks saying now... then I read the article and was like cool. A source of anti-matter that can be exploited for a number of things and will push us to explore space for energy! but then I remembered, doesn't the magneto-sphere every so often turn off...wouldn't that be a bad thing if that magnetosphere turned off and all those antiprotons dropped on us...
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Quote:Ummm...what?Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Not to nitpick but in the original timeline, it wasn't Caesar who led the rebellion because he wasn't there. It was Aldo, who becomes the antagonist of the final film.
Given the state of the world and the human/ape society at the close of the series, it isn't at all clear that the timeline where Taylor arrives in the future even exists any more. Presumably, that's a good thing given that Taylor inadvertently destroys the world...
It's not really a causality loop. It's more of a re-routing of the time stream.
It's a time travel story where the past is freely mucked with and no thought or justification is offered as to how that is possible. If you need to think about it very hard then you can always adopt the "universe next door" hypothesis.
I've sometimes wondered what Taylor's reception in the new timeline would be like. Caesar must have viewed recordings of his parents testimony at some point. What sort of preparations would he make, knowing that this man from the past might show up at some arbitrary time in the future? If the new society held together and prospered, maybe it wouldn't matter. If there were men living alongside of apes, perhaps he wouldn't become the threat he ultimately proved to be.
None of which has anything to do with the new movie. heh
It sounds like the new film has an interesting take on the whole business.
Caesar led the revolt in the 4th movie.
In the 5th movie there was an ape revolt against Caesar and a man revolt as well.
And no there is no "mucking around" the writer makes the specifically clear in interviews. The events that happen are in a closed loop. The director says that the tear from Caesar at the end of the 5th movie is a tear of happiness, but the writer who wrote the scene says it is a tear of sadness knowing that he hadn't changed the future... the future he knows about due to watching the archives of his parents telling the story. -
Quote:The correct word is dimension or timeline. Universe is a bad word to use because it has too many similar meanings that conflict with it's proper meaning.Originally Posted by Ironik
Of course we don't know if that's actually the case since no one's done it yet. But that's what the equations say to them. And no, they aren't saying it's dimensional travel (which means nothing, by the way -- you actually mean "travel between universes"). It's actual travel to a point in time before the present one in our universe. So you get to go back in time and kill Hitler in *our* universe.
here can't be an our universe and their universe and everything be in "the" universe v.v -
Quote:Not really.Originally Posted by Dirges
So do you have a guilty conscience? You are trying really hard to justify pirating. There is a difference between remembering and watching.
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Quote:That is accessing the data that is stored in my brain that as far as what you are saying goes I'd have no license in doing.Originally Posted by Dirges
That is not watching that is remembering.
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Quote:That's never been how the new operates and this type of stuff DOES influence peoples' lives. Comic, music, movie, etc is culture and are important and are part of what is happening and effecting the people and events around us.Originally Posted by Caemgen
Ok, but that too is kind of the point... The news should really go back to being news and not all agenda based partisan bickering. Cover issues. Investigate stuff. Talk about stuff that REALLY matters, that REALLY influences peoples lives, their living conditions...
*sigh*
Then again, I doubt most of the viewing public has the attention span to handle real news anymore anyway.