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Quote:Depends...Originally Posted by Fanservice
Well the sensible thing to do would be to assume his history is different wouldn't it?
While reading I can do that an increase my enjoyment, but the minute I start to review a piece and think about it in terms that the creators say I should the sensible thing is to grade and comment based on the intent of the creators and not just the most enjoyable way to read. -
Quote:canon isn't just what is written in the comics, but also what is officially stated as such. Tim Drake is a perfect example because his history should be relatively unscathed by everything said but as we see he's completely destroyed by it.Originally Posted by Quasadu
But all the stuff you said relies on clinging to stuff that happened before the new Issue #1's. If you take the Issue #1's on their own merits, with no preconceived notions about who these people are and where they come from, then you still end up with question marks about their backstory, but you don't have contradictions. You just have gaps in your knowledge as a reader. The contradictions only start to come in when you bring in history from the old universe, which is not relevant to the new universe.
That said, I'm sure the contradictions will start to crop up quickly enough on their own, because this is comics. But we don't need to go looking for contradictions with past continuity because there is no past continuity.
If they were to just go this is a reboot and nothing you knew is right any more then yes I could go with what you are saying, but that isn't the case -
Quote:what the heck are you talking about... Every reviewer has been half good half bad and more or less been meh. I don't hate the DCnU. I like a number of books. It doesnt change the facts nor does it change what is likely going to happen nd what is likely going to happen and perceptions of what is happening is what I said.Originally Posted by Juteboxhero
Sorry but while I know you HATE the DCnU the majority of press I been reading has been positive. Just can you please stop your bashing of DC; remember this is your opinion and in reality does not matter, to me or anyone else. Just like my opinion does not matter to you or anyone else.
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Quote:I am perfectly fine with the idea of nothing happened unless it is said in the new continuity. The prob is two running into and creating one big problem...Originally Posted by Quasadu
I don't see a problem. It's a reboot, so anything before issue #1 doesn't matter. If it's brought up as having happened in Issue #1 or later, then it's canon. Until then, it didn't happen.
Don't see why that's hard to grasp. I also don't see why it's a bad thing. All those great (and bad) stories that we've read up until now are still there for us to enjoy again. It's just that those stories are not continuing any further.
For folks that wanted more of those stories, and are disappointed that they've ended, I can sympathize. But those stories don't have any bearing on what's being written now. Judge what is being written now on its own merits (or lack thereof). I'm not saying some of it (maybe most?) isn't crap. I know at least a couple of the #1 books I read were crap. But it wasn't because they ignored the past, it was because they were poorly written. And some of the #1 books I read so far have been good, and again it wasn't because of the past. It was because they were well written.
Taking out stories that made the rest work is creates holes in the character and we're left asking well if that's not the case how did x come about And tie that in with the fact that DCU stories were largely serial... meaning that one story connects with the one before it and is reliant upon it... then when you change one thing a whole lot of cards fall
For example, with Tim Drake.
Assuming all the changes Tim Drake should have stopped being Robin and then never came back and his parents should still be alive... Erasing every title he appears in after just before War Games...
Likewise without the Crisis you don't have 52, without 52 you don't have Jason picking up the Red Robin suit, without that you can't have Tim picking it up even if he came back to being Robin for a different reason.
So not only are you getting massive collapse you have multiple vectors of collapse.
The reason the whole "it didn't happen less it was said" worked before is because pre-1980 most comics weren't serials and took place in several different cannons thus if you said X happened or didn't happen it only meant that that particular book happened and had no implications for most other books -
Quote:That was always expected... it's also expected that those numbers will quickly drop...Originally Posted by ZephyrWind
Really? Practically every first-run sold out at my comic store, and the second run is selling well already. Maybe I'm in a weird area....
Also you have to take into account conservative print runs and comic shops. Comic shops are likely buying no more than double what they usually do while they have several times that coming in to pick up titles and thus why they are selling out.
As far as 2nd issue it's in the psyche of some new people to go get them and give them the benefit of the doubt. however that doesn't mean that in the long run they will sell better and might in fact sell worse considering they aren't creating habit for most of those new reader and the old reader are leaving. -
Even if this is just a joke... this isn't the best time to be joking about such a ridiculous idea considering DCnU having such negative overall reviews.
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Quote:I'm really trying to be nice and you just keep trying to tick me off.Originally Posted by Furio
Um...you're the only one to mention atomic bombs. You claimed that nuclear energy = kinetic energy. She explained why you were wrong, which involved the nuances of nuclear energy.
However the point that matters is that nuclear energy is not "kinetic energy" as far as Shaw's power is concerned.
I mentioned nuclear energy as an example of something the is something but comics don't always use it that way. it's obvious I meant Nuclear energy that comes off of a fusion or fission reaction as in the case of a bomb considering the context of, you know, someone hitting someone else.
As far as Arcana being right. No, She most certainly is not. Potential energy is energy that is STORED. Any energy that is in the process of moving or doing work or any thing that you might consider energetic is Kinetic. This is basic physics.
If I bring up an atom, that atom is all potential energy if you could get it into stasis in a single spot. Anything that moves in or around that atom is Kinetic energy. For example if I throw another particle at that atom and split it, the result would be a mass of kinetic energy being released. Yes there would be potential energy still in the system. But...
If you want to be really specific though the resulting mass that is lose (that is potential energy that is lost) and becomes kinetic is only a fraction of the overall energy and the majority of the energy in the system remains potential, but to argue about that would be pedantic as this is true of EVERY SYSTEM and because of that the delineation of potential and kinetic energy systems becomes worthless.
As to the reason to discuss this in this topic is beyond me considering it's pretty much stated in X-Men that the mutant powers defy known laws of physics and if they were studied rather than harassed the things they would learn would be wondrous.
As far as why Shaw can absorb some but not all forms of kinetic energy likely has to do with different particles, frequencies, and methods of motion if we were to replicate it in the real world. Normal matter (which is generally neutrally charged) is a hell of a lot different than a photon hitting you or an electron hitting you because they have different modes of moving, different frequencies, and have different properties.
And in reality everyone absorbs kinetic energy, converts it into potential energy, and later reconverts it to kinetic energy. That's how everything works. The only difference between Shaw and everyone else the ability to convert it to potential energy really fast and then also to convert it back to kinetic energy types of his choosing I gather.
i would also imagine that the fainting or whatever that occurs is due to some energy density issue that at some point the amount mass in his body (which he'd gain when absorbing energy) would weight a ton on his body and it would just give out under stress. -
Quote:No.Originally Posted by Furio
This is why there *are* different classifications of energy besides just potential and kinetic...and why I posted the wiki link. Kinetic energy is certainly present when an atomic bomb goes off, but so is thermal, luminous, nuclear, sound...
Like Arcana said, when talking about Shaw's powers, "... when we say he absorbs "kinetic energy" we mean attacks that deliver concussive force, because that's what he's been observed to absorb". There's too much else going on in an atomic bomb explosion for the question "Can Shaw absorbe enough "kinetic energy" to survive an atomic bomb?" to be relevant when discussing the extent of Shaw's ability.
He might be able to absorb all of the "kinetic energy" from whatever debris from it that hits him...but the radiation will kill him if the heat doesn't do it first....because the RL kinetic energy in present in those other types of energy is *not* what Shaw's power can absorb as far has been demonstrated in the comics.
Arcana was speaking directly to what I said thinking that I'm talking about the atomic forces at work for some reason. We're all talking about a bomb going off other than her. Thus she is not paying attention to what is being said. -
Quote:No one is talking about weak and strong forces other than you. What you are describing is Potential energy but no one means that. They are talking about an atomic bomb exploding in your face. That is kinetic energy.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Nuclear energy is not force. Nuclear energy is the potential energy connected to the binding strength of the strong force in the nucleus of the atom, and the potential energy connected to the mass differential of nucleon arrangement due to the weak force. Its no different than the potential energy stored in a mass suspended in a gravitational field. The field exerts a force on the object, but the object contains potential energy due to the field potential radiating from the gravitational field surrounding the object.
In beta decay (specifically beta plus decay) a proton spontaneously converts into a neutron, a positron, and a neutrino. Since the rest mass of a neutron is higher than that of a proton, this form of decay ordinarily cannot happen spontaneously. It does in atomic nuclei when the binding energy of the original nucleus is higher than the binding energy of the daughter nucleus. This potential energy feeds the reaction: the parent nucleus "rolls down the potential curve" surrendering energy to the proton, which can then convert into a neutron and positron (and a neutrino). Potential binding energy is converted into both kinetic energy *and* more potential energy in the form of mass: the reaction products have more mass than the original proton, because it takes some of the potential energy from the original nucleus and converts it into mass to produce the three daughter particles.
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Quote:Oh yeah I forgot about that... What the hell does Superboy get mad at in the first place then?Originally Posted by Dark One
In particular, that aforementioned bit about Jason Todd. If he was dead, then rezzed, but there's no longer Superboy Prime throwing a hissy fit, then what rezzed him?
Superboy-Prime is mad at Superboy living "his" life... Superboy doesn't exist so no smashy smashy. -
Actually fixed point in time can change...
They can be tweaked so that the perception is unchanged, but it is still changed. For example the Doctor must die at x point. To the universal perception he does die... it's just been tweaked so that the he that is him isn't the him that we think it is.
We saw this at Pompei as well. The city had to be destroyed in the volcano, but just because the city did doesn't mean all the people did.
They can also be altered so that they never existed by way of changing all those wibbly wobbly points. For example at any given point in history the earth could be destroyed and because this is true it is also true that at any given point the fixed point that happens in 2011 on Earth can't happen thus it is no longer a fixed point. -
Dude... don't think about it. You just tweak your brain for days if you do...
Let's stat with Tim drake's canon and his first major event...just for the lolz.
Tim drake's first major event was Knight Saga. Did it happen? Apparently. Any problems? Besides it taking place over a year, not really.
Next up is No Man's Land... We have spoiler missing thus Catwoman not working with her. We have Huntress missing thus no Batgirl II. We have a changed Harley thus her actions in messing with Joker are no longer there. We have a less friendly Superman so his actions are missing. We have a compressed time line so no yea for that...And it's at this time Tim Drake was off with Young Justice...or rather since Young Justice didn't exist, where was he then? Did he just not be Robin while he wasn't in Gotham or was he in Gotham more? Or what?
Then we have Cassandra Cain coming about, but since Helena hasn't shown up even if Cassandra did she was never Batgirl and she was never adopted by Bruce, nor was she ever attracted to Suprboy because Superboy didn't exist at that time and She was never drugged or learned to speak and Tim never moved to BludHaven with along with her and even if Cass did exist since she was never Batgirl, Stephanie would never have been Batgirl...but more importantly because Oracle never existed she never assisted her father so Gordon should be dead now because Babs never hired cassandra as an assistant...
Oh and then we have War Games where Tim's school never gets shot up and Stephanie doesn't pull the file cuz it doesn't exist and even if it did it revolves around Oracle so since oracle doesn't exist war games could never happen thus Tim never returned to being Robin...
If Oracle never existed then Darkseid's Unternet would have been successful, but it wasn't and she didn't and since Final Crisis didn't happen Bruce didn't take a rip through time nor did it require tim to figure out the clues and all of Red Robin...doesn't exist... because it focuses on Bruce being lost in time and the Unternet...
And since war games never happened stephanie never died and since she never died Bruce never understood how pushing away people is just as dangerous as embracing them and since he never went through time and never had to deal with the unternet nor had Oracle figure it out then Bruce never would have had the impetous to think that he needed others nor the idea for the Internet 3.0 that Batman inc uses...
Of course if Oracle never occurred Calculator would have taken over everything in several books, but more importantly Wendy wouldn't have been paralyzed, and her brother wouldn't have been called nor the titans towers trashed...oh but wait...that never happened either...
Another thing... If Identity crisis never happened Tim's parents are still alive and thus he isn't adopted by Bruce either... and thus any Ra's al Ghul story with Tim in it didn't happen and any the last time we saw Azrael that didn't happen either as one of the reasons Tim says he lost faith is due to losing his parents... and also since that didn't happen parts of Blackest night didn't happen either...
Basically what I'm saying is if you take Tim Drake and you remove all the components that we know didn't happen...which includes the entire run of Young Justice and last Teen Titans run and his Red Robin run...even though they are pretending some how that all happened in someway it didn't and without it along with not having several of those other major events the entire character just falls apart...
I'm pretty sure you can do this with every character, but at least they're not saying those characters are untouched. -
Quote:force is not energy... there are strong and weak nuclear forces... atomic/nuclear energy is derived from the release of energy from that potential state.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
That's a new one on me. Some radiation technically contains a component of kinetic energy but nuclear energy as the term is generally used is potential strong and weak energy.
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Quote:No... that would make more sense.Originally Posted by BrandX
I don't know much about Flashpoint. I went into the comic store, bought some comics, and decided against any of the flashpoint titles, as I thought..."Why bother? They're relaunching everything."
So correct me if I'm wrong, but from a lore standpoint, isn't the new DCU because Flash had to put it back together the best he could...and thusly from a lore standpoint, Starfire is this way, because that's how he see's Starfire?
Barry went back in time to stop Zoom from killing his mom and pulled in all the speed force which shattered time and then Barry went back in time again...collecting all the speed force again... and stopped himself from doing that and thus mended time... and then some one smashed 2 other universes into the DCU while Barry wasn't looking... and thus all the changes...or not changes... or whatever. -
Quote:unless hulk was calmed with playing with a toy!Originally Posted by Furio
I'd say Shaw would likely be in multiple pieces after an encounter with the Hulk, regardless of how powered up he (Shaw) was...but that's more due to limitations on Shaw's particular manifestation of his powers (as opposed to the concept of them...like the difference between Quicksilver's super-speed "really fast" and the Flash's "ludicrous speed!"), and the absurd levels of the Hulk's strength.
AFAIK, Shaw does have an upper limit to how much and how fast he can absorb/process energy...and I'm fairly certain that the Hulk would overtop that pretty easily. -
Why is it people think they are being smart or clever by posting a wiki article that reiterate long form whatever I said in a really simple to understand colloquial form. None of that is needed for this discussion. It's obvious that there is more to it, but unneeded to talk about.
The comics say kinetic energy. It takes all of 3 seconds to realize that what the comics mean by kinetic and what the real world means is only similar on the surface and any real physics is out the window.
Shaw absorbs a small range of what could be considered kinetic energy, but he obviously doesn't absorb just any kinetic energy or what exactly we mean when we say kinetic energy and thus the question is what does he absorb? and would it be better to call it that rather than simply kinetic. -
Quote:This is why Furio is decidely dumb in face palming. In comics there are different types of energy. In reality there is Kinetic and Potential and everything fits in those two categories which can be summed up as "doing something" and "not doing something"Originally Posted by Chyll
I've always thought of it as a kinetic focused ability with him.
I concede that my knowledge of this is likely limited.
Especially after having just re-watched "X-Men: First Class", and his absorption of the energy from the nuclear reactor was decidedly not kinetic.
Nuclear energy is kinetic energy however comics don't always treat it as such just like sci-fi stories that differentiate between projectile and energy weapons... Most "energy" weapons are projectile weapons
So the real question is what do they believe in "kinetic" and which place you answer "whatever the writer wants" but it's obvious he can only absorb a small portion of what is called kinetic energy otherwise he'd have a lot of problems... either that or he has quite a bit of control of his power...what with him not exploding constantly -
Quote:So what did River tell the Doctor in her first appearance?Originally Posted by Zikar
"Look in to my eye."
*Doctor does a dance in the eye of the Teselecta* -
Wait a sec...
What did the Doctor tell River? We've been lead to believe it was his name, but she says it isn't, but the only thing that makes sense with their reactions and such was that he said something about how he beat the time problem... but then what identified River as doctors wife if that's what he did say...
Also doesn't that mean that River told the Doctor how to escape his death?
Also also... we never get to see the Doctor's greatest fear... wonder what it was...
Also also also... why did the doctor say he was 200 years older when it wasn't the doctor at all? -
I'm happy he didn't reuse the "this is all a dream" ending that he used the last time as it seemed they were going once they brought amy on the scene
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Quote:See... the first part of the smash is kinetic, but once the fist of Hulk is on the head of Shaw the force/energy is no longer Kinetic. It's pressure or whatever... also I'm talking comic physics not real physics. Comics don't view energy as kinetic/potential but rather kinetic as being one of several types of working energy. If this wasn't the case Shaw would have a lot of problems with the whole absorbing kinetic energy with things like hearing or seeing... or staying on earth in general.Originally Posted by OminousVoice
What about the first time you heard? Y'know, like high school science class.
Physics my dear fellow. Kinetic energy is what keeps objects moving. When two objects do indeed collide, say a fist and a face, that energy is released, or rather transferred into the object with the lesser amount of energy. In the case of a punch the high velocity fist transfers its kinetic energy into the relatively stationary face.
Smashing requires quite a significant use of kinetic energy. -
Since when does Hulk punch... last time i heard...he smashes and smashing is not kinetic force...
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She's Batman... in drag
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Tell her that if she likes Batwoman she should pick up Batwoman 0 and Elegy
and Batman does use sculpted armor as well as being extremely fit -
Quote:do you know what the words "seemed" means? It doesn't mean "read it". For example tons of people think anime seems like children shows. that's because they've been conditioned to think that way about animation and more than likely have never watched very much anime. So, you see, I'm using the word correctly and you, well, you're being the common person.Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
... Yeah, see, you might have wanted to mention that, rather than implying exactly the opposite by saying "this character always seemed to be," etc. (emphasis mine) A little up-front warning that you are specifically talking through your hat. Just for courtesy's sake...
Actually I was half asleep when I wrote that whole thing and those weren't reviews they were trying to show how each of the issues were shallow... The repetition of the word shallow was because that was the entire point.Quote:Originally Posted by Schismatrix
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But, but, but...
Well i suppose he could just put it in his signature.
In my opinion the OP was badly written, and i'm not just referring to the typos and other mechanical errors. The word that leaped out at me as being both overused and descriptive of the review itself was 'shallow'. If you can't come up with an insightful review and summarize it in 1-3 words change the format. Especially since you would write several sentences worth of words before each 'summary' anyway.
Or in the words of Jimmy Urine of MSI: "2 minute song is just one minute and 59 seconds too ******* long!"
As far as grammatical errors, that happens a lot with a keyboard that is breaking down and your half asleep and don't care to correct that stuff.