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I would point out there is plenty of stuff that has references in things I create and I go out of my way to use name that "mean" something usually. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes it's not, and for a few it mean nothing at all...
Kino Raziel is the actual character name of Durakken... It mean Wood of God's Secret or something like that... It came about from the creation of the residence where Durakken live. Likewise Durakken isn't the original user name or character name. Originally it was DurakkenSaebure or something like that, it's been a while, and that's a really funky spelling of what was original DragonSabre. That originally meant nothing but the fact that I like Dragons and Sabres and the character was originally just a Dragon...Though as I learned more about Dragon Mythology it evolved the character and the Sabre part evolved a back story...
Likewise I often go to lengths to use references like Omelas, almost meaninglessly in terms of anything other than a "hey you people that know what this is you can act smart ^.^ but it has nothing to do with the story"
On the other hand me doing that... where there are interlinking meanings and references and all that... creates a problem when I don' do that. Like ultimately the story Durakken is involved in ends up where he is more or less the god of Abraham which then if you look at it retroactively could be seen as making a statement... a statement that I never intended to make. Regardless of whether I agree with that statement is irrelevant in my opinion. It is there and it will be seen as me making that point. Furthermore it could be argued that regardless of whether I intended it or not I riddle my works with those interlinking meanings and must have known most every message in the work and as such me leaving it there must indeed be meant.
As far as what you see in my work I care in the sense that i want to tell a story and want to have little messages in them that is accurately received, but I don't care whether you want to see social commentary or not because anyone who thinks on the more universal scale that I do is going to have that commentary in there on accident just from the fact that every story i will ever write will consist of creating or changing a civilization and how it in general reacts to some stimuli. Within that there has to be what something about what i'm thinking about a given thing.
For example, Star Wars' Republic vs Empire... They are stand ins for "good" and "evil" so one can argue that even though Lucas wasn't making any true social commentary what we have is things that are clearly marked as good and things clearly marked as evil. We can, from that, look at what aspects are represented on each side and then we can say that more than likely Lucas holds them as such... i could therefor, as an example, say that Lucas is a theist who believe secularism is evil as the Empire seems to be secular save for the Sith which are more or less seen as a cult. On the other hand the "good" side could be seen as holy crusaders who believe they are in the right regardless of anything shown to the contrary and prefer to be ignorant to progress rather that embracing it, while condemning those who do. But then that could just be Lucas being bad at modeling real civilizations and so they become hyperbolic characterizations of what Lucas would roughly call good and evil people.
I think that is a rather shoddy way to look at in general, and don't really care... I'd much prefer to look at the universe itself and explore it in the minds eye... For example, The Force, in our lexicon would be considered science, not religion, and it is almost assured that when the force was originally discovered to be "real" in their universe there were general Laws of the Force like the Laws of Motion...and the Jedi arose via a philosophy about how to use the Force... then it became corrupted which led to the Dark Jedi splinter group...which also got corrupted and now in the present of the SW universe the laws have been more or less forgotten while the two corrupted philosophies remain and fight with each other, both never realizing that they have no clue about the truth of what their talking about. -
RedBone and Hyperstrike seems to have medical profession experience and have completely different and opposing ideas of what will happen... This seems to me that this means regardless of what you do you'll be realistic...
So considering this is a horror story I'd go with the more frightening and the more jostling and the more kinetic... which will result in the reader not able to get their baring helping them to relate to the character...
Also acid burned fingers to get rid of fingerprints would be indication of foul play as they look different than, say, the device from Men in black which removes finger prints because acid is imprecise.
The big problem with the story is that it sets up a problem of identity being stolen and someone spending lots of money to do it... but assuming that's the case then they'd obviously want them never to be able to recover it and as such is more or less murder. If they are going that extent and have that much money they'd more likely go with murder as it's cheap and there is no risk of memory returning.
If it's something like that it's a big plothole. If it's not, then it becomes obvious that this person isn't someone that has been altered but someone that has been made to look like the were altered and seems more in line with aliens or "others" trying to sneak into human civilization. They'd have the tech and the motive to do it... Mobsters or something like that would never waste the time and very few people would have the wealth and/or stupidity to risk doing that to someone and try to get away with it. -
Quote:That makes you have above average dental hygiene or whatever... Or a really bad dentist that doesn't care about money or your actual health.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I have never had any dental work done and I'm - as far as I know - a normal, natural human being. :x -
Quote:Some people are just emulating others.Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails
Quite frequently a story (or any work of art, really) can be analyzed, praised and condemned for possessing elements that the author did not intend.
For instance, it is pretty much a given that Frank Baum did not intend The Wonderful Wizard of Oz to sync up with Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, nor is vice versa likely (and to what extent they sync is debatable), yet many people see that in there.
In another example, comic books were nearly banned entirely around the Mc Carthy era for storytelling elements that were seen as a literal and literary danger to society.
Many people see romantic subtext between characters in a work that the author never intended (or did they), and the motivations of good and bad guys alike can have many interpretations that utterly change the meaning of a story.
So my question is: if a large volume or percentage of readers see an element of a story that is in contrast to or orthogonal to the author's intent (or deliberately left vague), is it possible that the element exists in the story regardless of authorial canon?
or to put it another way,
Can the story itself "decide" to contain elements regardless of authorial intent?
Some people inspired by things they don't know.
People will see things in art based on their own experiences.
This abused in many creative media and is in fact something you should know before ever writing horror.
"The creature lurked beneath the water, seemingly waiting for me to make a mistake and fall to my doom..."
That is more scary than...
"The shark lurked beneath the water, circling, waiting for me to make a mistake and fall into it's gaping maw"
This is because the reader imagines their own creature, how they are waiting, and what will happen when the character falls. Some may be more scared of being torn apart while others may be more scared of being swallowed in one swallow.
Which is canon in the first case? Obviously the writer had an intent, but is the intent of the writer the true canon of the story? Absolutely not. The true canon of the story is the one in the reader's mind and is the case until the writer breaks the spell and writes specifically what the creature is.
This is why a lot of bad horror only works once or not at all. Because they either tell the audience what it is they should be afraid of and/or they do it at some point near the end and it retroactively destroys the story because when I tell you it's a Shark and not a Sharktopus the audience becomes disappointed that it's not that scary.
No, that's just poor writing, not unintentional meaning with the Midichlorians. Han shooting first being changed by Lucas shows that Lucas is a poor writer. The director made that decision and likely understood why it is important that he did. both choices were/are intentional so doesn't fit your criteria.Quote:For your consideration:
- Whether Han shot first; Midichlorians
Which is none in the way you and most "think" what an ubermensch is. The connection is created only by the name being the same when translated...somewhat. I don't see how this has to do with something has a life of it's own, but rather a lack of education.Quote:- Superman and his relationship to the Ubermensch
This is again a bad example because the original Zombie movie is a social commentary as are many since. The ones that aren't explicitly has to do with copying blindly the concept.Quote:- Zombie Apocalypse movies...survival horror or social commentary?
In this particular instance, no. That's more because hollywood is a bunch of morons. Heroes had/has a comic and it is part of the same universe, likewise the comic and books of SW:tOR take part in the same universe.Quote:Does each version of a piece of art exist in its' own universe? For instance should Movie!Daredevil even try to emulate Comic!Daredevil, or are they isolated from each other from the get go?
Yes. It is a sequel to Superman 2 i believe. Superman 3/4 are however are not part of the same universe. It's really not all that hard to understand... It's just a parallel universe thing.Quote:Is Superman Returns a sequel, or not? -
I'm not a medical profession, but that's very simple...
She's going to invited back to an examination room. The doctors are likely going look in her eyes with the light... I forget exactly what it does but it might give "clues" to what is going on and then she is going to have an MRI or CAT scan then she's gonna be left in a room for a while as doctors debate what's going on. They most likely will call the police at some point during the previous events and have the police try to take her fingerprints to identify her... As soon as the doctors can they'll likely give a diagnosis explaining to her what they think is going on and what they can do...
if they can figure out who she is, family will be called, and explanation of what's going on will be give and then she will be handed over to their care, telling them to have her have a follow up visit to doctors at some later point
if they can't find out who she is I believe they will keep in the hospital for a few days, but i think they'd send her to assisted living or some such and her face will likely be on the news..
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Quote:It'd be a lot more funny if one were to inverse the joke and create a men in refrigerator moment.Originally Posted by Tikhnaya
That's probably a fair assessment.
I should also add the reason I bring up women in combat situations. In story settings there's plenty of room for combat oriented women (such as Black Widow) because PTSD is an oft-maligned condition subject to inappropriate jokes by chickenhawks who think Qatar actually looks like what's depicted in the Transformer movie. Generally speaking it's not very good story material unless the story is about the condition itself. With all that in mind I don't see any reason why a fictional if mostly real world couldn't include women in direct combat roles if they have the training to back it up. Alternatively you could always pull a woman in a refigerator scenario to have one or more of your characters deal with the consequences of seeing a woman die but that my drag the story in a direction you don't want to go in. -
Quote:Why Lt. Commander? Also would she be qualified to be in that position. If I remember right as I don't have the chart in front of me and the ranks follow the same time in position... She'd have to be another year or 2 older. I'm not stuck on the age, but I'm more apt to keeper her younger (around 25) than older...Originally Posted by Arcanaville
No, I think having thought about it that the best option given everything you've mentioned so far is to make "the captain" a Lt. Commander in the Navy.
It seems that that doesn't fit as that would seem to lean more towards infiltrating an enemy position in foreign territory and holding it... This team would be more about repelling an enemy and taking an enemy position that is on friendly territory...Quote:Originally Posted by Tikhnaya
FWIW you may look into the Air Force Space Command (sorry Navy, but it's our job, go back to Star Trek). Specifically it's Combat Communications Wing. Now don't let the name fool you. Most of what we do involves building pallets and then tearing them down, but it's intended function is to go to dangerous/war-torn (or natural disaster) areas where no communications exist and provide that function to include defending it until more robust forces can arrive.
So it seems more that the enemy forces would be more akin to what you're talking about while the team I'm trying to make is not. -
Quote:No this is not the future... it's the present, or a little bit in the past... I haven't decided whether to move the dates up.Originally Posted by Old_Gray
As you are setting this in the future (I assume), having a female Green Beret might be acceptable, but as of 2012, I believe that women cannot serve in any of the Special Forces. Indeed, they have only just recently opened some direct combat specialties to women.
Someone can, of course, correct me if I am wrong.
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Quote:That's not 100% exactly true depending on what you mean "talk" Teller also often pre-records things and has it play in place of him "talking" so it's still talking, but meh...Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
I knew I should've been the first reply in this thread and said "inb4 "Teller talks?!".
For the record, the only time he doesn't talk is when he's performing and/or making appearances as half of P&T. In fact, he even talks to fans after shows out in the lobby of their theater. -
Quote:So Delta Force might be the best option... I can't find any mention of "officers" in the wiki article on them and seem they only recruit enlisted... Does this mean that Delta Force has no Officers? or that they Promoted from inside? Same thing with Marines... Marines have no officers?Originally Posted by Arcanaville
This is probably massive overgeneralization, and there's certainly a lot of overlap, and no matter what else all of them are very good combat soldiers, but I tend to see Delta as the urban assault and hostage rescue people: the Army's version of SWAT. The Special Forces Green Berets I tend to see as the counter-insurgency people: the guys that go "in-country" so to speak and work with the locals. And I see the SEALs as the combat insertion specialists. If you need a small force there, and they have to start here, and there's no taxi service between the two, the SEALs are the ones you go to.
One other thing worth mentioning: in a colloquial if not military technical sense, the entire US Marine Corp is a form of special operations group, but not in the same way as the SEALs or Green Berets. They are explicitly defined to be the US expeditionary and reactionary readiness force. In other words, explicitly built into their reason for existence is the notion that they have a specific mission: be ready to deploy to anywhere in a large enough force to perform conventional warfare with limited assistance. And they have noteworthy specialties as well: they have a renowned sniper school, for example.
The US Marine Corp also has unique properties relative to other US military services. In the Marines, all enlisted personnel regardless of position or specialty is trained to be a combat infantry soldier, and all officers are trained to be combat infantry commanders (at least, so I've heard). That means technically speaking even the dude in the tent that operates the radios can pick up a rifle and take command of a Marine combat force if the situation called for it. You could say the Marine Corp is unconventional in their extreme focus on the conventional combat soldier.
It seems the best option is to make "The Captain" a Marine Officer which doesn't exist it seems so I might go with Green Beret for her... and then have the 3 other members be Delta Force -
Quote:The first link is from "The Amazing Meeting" aka TAM which is a meeting of skeptics, i believe started by James Randi, but not sure...Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Also Teller used to be a High School Teacher so it would be very interesting if he was mute. -
Quote:wiki specifically states E-4 and above or O-2 that is promotable to O-3 and aboveOriginally Posted by Warfarin88
"X Ray" is a special civilian enlistment program designation, where you sign up for a direct pipeline to the selection process for Special Forces, instead of getting approval to go from a regular army unit. The total training window, if successful, is somewhere around 2 years, if you don't have any other delays due to injury or getting a class slot. If you wash out of the selection process, you default to Infantry. Rangers have something similar, as does OCS (Officer Candidate School). All have special requirements above and beyond regular enlistment options (higher aptitude test scores, pre-passing of a flight physical, foreign language aptitude test scores, etc.)
Also, as far as I know minimum rank in the Army Special Forces branch is E-6. If you're below that rank during training and selection, you are promoted to that rank upon successful selection. For officers, you need to either go through a commission pipeline after selection and then get back into Special Forces (I would imagine this is rare, but I don't know for sure), or you need to apply for selection as a 1LT (promotable), and would presumably make Captain shortly after. -
Yes. He's not mute.
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An article written by Teller of Penn and Teller that talks about how magic is done via tricks that is basically fooling human psychology...
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I haven't heard about this before today. it's supposed to be for scientific research apparently
What it is is you get a text on your "iphone" asking you how you feel and what you are doing and then it collates the data apparently and gives you a report.
https://www.trackyourhappiness.org/
Sounds interesting to me, but as it says iphone and I don't own one I can't participate. I can tell you this much, poor wording that waste my time one way or the other doesn't make me happy ^.^ -
Quote:According to wiki there is a thing called the X-Ray program that sends you through all the necessary training which is something like 2-5 years in total starting at boot camp. I'm not sure if it applies to all special forces, but that is what was said on the linked wiki page.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Furthermore you can't even be considered a candidate for several of the "Special Forces" unless you have already completed prior standard training, and time on active duty.
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Quote:Oh know they don't all do the same thing. I don't know the differences really as they all APPEAR to me to do the same thing.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
They are not all interchangeable and do not all do precisely the same things, although all of them can mess up anyone's day under almost any circumstances.
Army = Infantry
Navy = Ships
Air Force = Planes
Marines, Green Berets, SEALs, etc all do exactly the same thing from my knowledge which is they are an elite group of combat trained soldiers that usually deal in smaller teams to achieve very specific tasks.
What i need is a simple definition of each one's function more or less.
And then it would be nice if you guys could tell me who you'd choose to form this, their specialties and such.
I could just choose any group. I get that, but I'm asking from people who are more experienced if you had to forum this 5 man team given what I've said who would you choose for those 3 members?
Yes I also get that a captain would run a Fire team nor would a newbie person even be allowed near this, but I'm going to keep that conceit so please also keep that in mind...
These 3 members are sorta important because I'm building characters up around them and I don't know anything about how they might act or anything like that so I need to do a bit of research once I figure this out...
As an aside that one might keep in mind about this... This team will be more or less the only team within the organization formed like this so it's not like telling me i'd pick x will play across the entire organization...
Off the top of my head if I were putting together this team against a aliens like this I'd want someone experienced in urban warfare for a commander. A person with linguistic skills, hacking skills for encryption breaking, a computer hardware specialist who can adapt to whatever computer system they come across. An expert in engineering and weapons. Probably someone who has multiple expertise in vehicle piloting/driving. I'd also likely want someone who knows their physics, practical and theoretical, and I'd want all of them to be good close quarters fighters with guns and other weapons. -
ugh... hopefully not. The only reason it worked back then is cuz he didn't talk. I don't mean to say anything bad about the man but he has a lisp and doesn't have a voice that is suitable for a hulk that even remotely talks.
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For drawing there are a few different modes of work...
For doing pin-ups you need a comfortable, well lit area with a good flat surface and I would recommend music or something that helps you tune out. That's right... tune out. You need to pretty much stop thinking and let you instinct take over as well as focus so that you lose track of time and keep you from thinking of other things. It's more of a Zen thing than anything else.
For sketching and doodling all you really need is to carry around a pad with you and just draw whenever the feeling comes over you. Not doing this is really responsible for the lose of so many cool ideas probably... I know I've had thousands ideas and no pad of paper around to draw it out that are just forgotten... likewise unlike the pin-up mode this mode is more a whimsy unfocused mode that you should either be focusing on concept or something else like a tv show... or a teacher ^.^
For animation...you need the same thing as the pin-up but with a light board and no music or zone out. For animation you need to actively engage with what you're doing and refer back to other pieces and little things which means you need all your faculties concentrated on the work you're doing...
I'm guessing you're talking about focusing on pin-ups... Well the secret is that it takes practice. Notice I said zone out and let instinct take over. Well to do that, you gotta know what you want drawn and how to draw it. Those two things are essential to doing good work and if you don't have those you are sketching and doodling in my opinion...
The other secret is that there is 3 ways that every creative person I know of works... That is
Passion: I'm going to do this because it is all I can think about doing...
Pressure: I'm going to do this because I have to do this for some reason...
Preservation: I'm bored and if I don't do something I'm gonna go insane...
Passion types have the problem of doing the art regardless of other things.
Pressure types have the problem of only being able to produce when pushed to their time limit.
Preservation types need to be locked in a room and deprived other stimuli.
These 3 types also mix to different degrees and often one is the key to activating the other two...
For example I'm more the Preservation type, but once I get going I'm more the passion type. I literally can't not do something. If you put me in a room with nothing to do I will create something and I will often be fixated on it till I'm done with it. Surrounded by technology it's hard to be bored, so I'm also a Pressure type in terms of doing things in general. So this means While my creativity is often triggered by the Preservation mechanism I have to be pressured into putting myself into that situation.
So what I'm saying is, in general, you gotta know your key and then use it. Which means the first thing you gotta do is learn about yourself and reflect on what has caused you to focus in the past and then put yourself in that situation.
Only when you know that can you really take extra advice like one of the worst things for Preservation types to do is to stop and look back on their work in the middle of working on it. Because that then gives them stimuli and kicks them out of the creative mode. -
So the team would be more like... "The Captain" would be in the Special Forces as would the other 3 members of team? And the 3 SF members would be E-4s and E-5s?
If I understand correctly then does this work better?
1. Special Forces Officer - O-3 Captain
2. Special Forces Engineer Sergeant - E-5 Sergeant
3. Special Forces Weapons Sergeant - E-4 Corporal
4. Special Forces Communications Sergeant - E-4 Corporal
5. Special Forces Candidate? Warrant officer? - E-1 Private?
I have nooooooooo clue how the ranks in Special Forces work...it seems there isn't from wiki, but there has to be some thing... perhaps the normal rank up? -
Quote:As pointed out earlier "civilian" isn't the right word.Originally Posted by Sir Neil
No, he couldn't, and honorary degrees don't count. A four-year degree is, er, a bachelor's degree.
It seems like what you describe is closer to a special forces Alpha team than anything else. About a dozen experienced sergeants lead by an officer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special...ed_States_Army)
I'm curious why you feel the civilian needs a military rank. When I was over there last year we had a number of civilians attached to us. Some were armed, some weren't, but all of them followed our orders in combat, while my men were subordinate to them when they performed their specialties.
General recruits person
Person can't go through basic training due to the need to bring him on board rapidly.
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The Captain is there mainly out of experience and requested by the General. The reason for her "leading" that team directly due to trying to pick people for the team that is experienced, skilled, and quickly getting people together.
This is not a future story. This is present day (or back a little bit... I haven't decided if I'm going to move up the date).
The basic set up for this group is...
Interstellar Empire A discovers a secret about Earth and decides to invade resulting in a Independence Day type blowing up important cities type event (though only over 1 or 2 cities)
Interstellar Empire B has protects earth via elite warriors curtailing the initial invasion before it gets too far.
As to why both sides aren't full scale... Earth is in the IE-B's borders and they have hid their presence from Earth for a long time, letting Earth grow on it's own. They have a non-interference policy when it comes to Earth which keeps IE-B sending in people, but a few elites go against it and go to save Earth regardless. IE-A doesn't want to start a full blown war with IE-B, at least not until it finds the secret on Earth, and because Earth lies inside IE-B's territory IE-A has no choice but to act as stealthily as possible and really only take actions in Earth's territory.
Yes I realize how stupid that sounds, but it is actually realistic...which is strange but whatever...
During the first attack by IE-A "the civilian" is in one of the cities that are attacked as are the general and the Captain. Events happen. mech troops from IE-A are taken down, but leave damaged units behind as they would. "the civilian" ends up saving the general and the captain. These events and the pieces found lead to the general pushing for the creation of a new military branch using back engineered alien technology that is recovered. The general brings on board "the civilian" and captain making them the first 3 official members of the branch...
America becomes a bit Xenophobic from the attacks, several more "incursions" occur, being stopped be IE-B's forces. Eventually the new military branch gets up and ready and goes to stop an incursion. IE-B's forces are pleased at how effective the Earth military is and they decide to introduce themselves. The revelation that IE-B surrounds Earth is taken as a threat to the higher ups (but hidden to the rest of the world) and orders are to treat all alien forces as enemies.
So... this team's job becomes more or less to stop incursions and acquire technology and information. These incursions come in the form of all out attacks to having hidden bases of operations.
In the end... and though this will sound funny, think of it as somewhat of a cross between Power Rangers and Stargate SG-1, but with less anthropology and archeology.
That all happens more or less within the first year or so... As time goes on The military branch becomes the military of a semi-global government that defends earth from the false threat of IE-B and a second semi-global government that is far more advanced.
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Quote:Ok, would there be any way for him to become an enlisted soldier/officer without going through bootcamp? And what qualifies as a "4 year degree" could he be given an honorary degree? would that count?Originally Posted by Sir Neil
The civilian would not have a rank, but would likely be considered a warrant officer or officer for determining his creature comforts. For instanct, he'd get a private room instead of a dorm, a bed instead of a cot, etc. Much like a senior NCO, he could likely lean on his patron officer if conflicts arose. (If the civilian is working directly for the general, then most people will treat his requests as if they came from the general.)
Where would these "other" guys be pulled from? The team is going to be using high tech equipment, but not mech suits (at least not at first) and won't have access to teleportation at first so they'll like be air lifted to the problem area. They'll be be acting as ground troops more or less and sent in to do battle against localized threats which consist of having to straight out fight aliens, sometimes mech suits... The aliens will be super advanced comparatively so there will likely be need for scavenging...
I don't really know skill sets so much... TV and Movie has pretty much shown that Army is the rugged group, Marines are the sub section that is more stealthy, Air Force are the techies, and the Navy are the guys getting drunk and having parties out in the middle of no where...
My first instinct is that the 3 others would be pulled from the Marines... but then I also think having an Air Force techy-engineer guy might be good to have on the team and Army as far as displayed are more or less grunt types and not highly skills so probably don't want them when you're trying to use high tech proto-type gear that needs to be used super effectively without a dozen or more guys behind you...
btw I'm not trying to be offensive here and i know that these service branches aren't like that at all, but that is more or less projected in pop culture so i am using it to describe what i need and hoping that you guys can provide a more accurate view of what might happen.
So considering the background of the organization is initially army and they need more elite members but also tech people and there is already 2 places taken up..
The Fire team would look something like this
1. CO: O-3 Army Captain (not changing)
2. E-4 Marine Coporal
3. E-3 Marine Lance Corporal
4. E-3 Airman First Class
5. W-1 Army Warrant Officer Civilian guy (not changing)
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Quote:Let m ask this... Is the rank establish as soon as boot camp starts? If so then Boot Camp last 180 days according to wiki this would mean that a E-1 is boot camp and you achieve E-2 at the end of "normal" boot camp.Originally Posted by Old_Gray
Well, E-2 at least is certainly a post boot-camp rank, at least it was when I was in the Air Force. I left basic as an Airman First Class (E-3), but most folks graduated as Airman (E-2). I assume the Army may be the same, and depending on the length of the tech school, you may go to your first duty station/posting/base as an E-2. I may be mistaken however.
I'm not sure if I'm reading this right
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/promo...npromrates.htm
says "12 months active duty, 4 months as an E-2..."
What does this mean? 12 months active duty means from the point of entering boot camp? It's weird cuz if E-1 to E-2 is automatic after 6 months and E-2 to E-3 is more or less automatic if the requirement is 12 months active and 4 months as E-2 does that mean that if you have to b an E-2 six months if you are doing perfect and 4 months if you've messed up in some way?
Also I go back to the Civilian guy that's going to enter into this organization... would he be given a E-1 rank with an acting rank of E-2 or something like that? -
Quote:Ok so maybe I'm not getting this right because of terminology or something...Originally Posted by Warfarin88
Actually, someone said: "Squad members (E4, E3, E2, E1)"
and someone else said: "A 5 man "Fire Team" in the Army Infantry is a group of privates led by (at best) a Corporal or maybe a Sergeant."
Which both say the same thing, that a fire team is made up of privates with a corporal/specialist at the lead, and sometimes a sergeant. (this would be if a given platoon was particularly well experienced or manned.
This is the most the most fundamental command structure of an infantry unit. It's also the least autonomous. The team leader does what the squad leader tells him to do, and tells his soldiers "follow me and do what I do".
I really don't see this relating to your "5 man team" at all. What you are describing is some sort of small highly specialized (judging by presence of a commisioned officer at it lead) team that really doesn't have an analog that I know of in modern military hierarchies. If there is one, it would probably relate to a flight crew of some sort, but that's definitely out of my lane.
By Private do you mean PFC (E-3) or Private as in (E-1, E-2, and E-3). From what i'm reading E-1 and E-2 are new recruit/pre-graduation from boot camp and thus would never be put into any combat type thing so I'm assuming that what you mean by Private is PFC (E-3).
Also there seems to be some sort of weird titling of Teams which is probably due to my misunderstanding and wikipedia not being very clear. It does indeed say both that corporal is in charge of a fire team, a Sergeant is a team leader, and a Staff Sergeant is a squad leader... The problem is that a fire team is defined as a small group of say 3-5, and a squad is made up of several fire teams with 13ish people under their command. This results in a confusion as a squad is obviously several fire teams... but a team is then also in charge of several fire teams, but a squad can't be made of several teams from what i can see...
So to clarify this is what I see more or less...
"Fire Team" of 5 people: 3 PFCs (E-3), 1 Corporal (E-4), 1 Sergeant (E-5)
"Squad": 2 "Fire Teams", 1 Staff Sergeant (E-6)
Platoon: 4 "Squads", 1 ensign (O-1), 1 Lieutenant (O-2)
Company: 4 Platoons, 1 Lieutenant Commander
Squadron: 4 Platoons
Regiment: 4 Squadrons
Or something like that... The numbers are a bit too high imo as a regiment would be considered a single ship with ~3,000 people on it... that doesn't seem right.
Maybe I'll change the ranks to be more like...
O-7 General
O-6 Colonel
O-5 Lieutenant Colonel (Captain)
O-4 Major (Commander) / E-9 Sergeant Major
O-3 Captain (Lieutenant Commander) / E-8 Master Sergeant
O-2 First Lieutenant (Lieutenant) / E-7 Sergeant First Class
O-1 Second Lieutenant (Ensign)