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I don't understand why anyone would do that to themselves.

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Obviously, you are not afflicted with the dread "altaholism".

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I have about 100 active toons between two accounts and when I have an Log 'em All In event, I just set an evening aside. I usually drop a mish and move them to a new day job locale and put them back on the shelf.

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My method, as well. Did it yesterday morning, in fact. Took me about three hours, but part of that was me fooling around with long unplayed toons playing a bit of "shoot 'em up" on the way to their next day job location. I think the last of these "everyone" badges I did, I hustled and it took me a little under two hours.

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Uh, what's incorrect about it? That's taken nearly verbatim from Positron's announcement.

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Creative replacement of "may" with "will" kind of changes the whole tenor of the thing.

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A customer cannot insist on anything, to be sure. His final sanction, such as it is, is to indeed take his business elsewhere. But he is certainly not debarred from telling a vendor how the product should be designed, implemented or supported.

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Sure, giving opinions is one thing. Delivering them in an insistent, empowered and entitled manner is quite another (as you note).

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Nor does the vendor have unlimited rights over the actions of the customer vis a vis the product.

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Depends, really. In the case of physical objects purchased, once you get it, it's yours. In the case of services, no. Vendor is completely in charge. And this game is a service, not a product in that aspect.

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The relationship is complicated in this market since we also have the gamer-gamemaster relationship. Not in the sense of support staff as "GMs" - I mean the original gm/player/player-character relationship. Here the GM has significantly more authority, historically.

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It's not really that complicated, if you view this as a service.

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But the tendency of the shriller members of the would-be authorities in the player community to take some statement by the developers, extrapolate their interpretation of what is and is not acceptable, and then use that fantasy to browbeat others into hewing to their line?

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Browbeating is bad, yes. On the other hand "stop being such a worry wart, that's not what he said" isn't.

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Like saying "newbies should not PL ever" and implying, as Tony did, that this is the divine will of the vendor, and that their opinion has some overwhelming weight on how players choose to use the software.

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Oh, no disagreement there. Sidebar on the former comment, though. I'm not seeing the disconnect with what they said originally and later. It's entirely appropriate to answer the question asked about an opinion, and not really caring if the opinion is implemented in actuality. I don't think people should ever PL either, but I'd never suggest that my opinion should be the base for the devs to do anything. That's up to them.

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I may be buying this service, but I am not buying that local by-product.

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Granted, and perfectly reasonable to my eyes.

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actually, you are. What is a rental contract? an agreement between 2 people. The laws vary from state to state, but I know from personal experience that evicting someone is not as easy as calling the police and saying the other person is trespassing.

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Allowing someone to stay at your residence is far far different from renting someone a property, money aside. I also know for a fact that in the situation we're talking about, the police can and will remove a no longer desired "guest" whether they paid you some money to cover your expenses or not. Perhaps, as you note, it's a difference in our state laws, though, and we've gotten WAY WAY off on a tangent so I'm just going to jump off this derailment. Feel free to have the last word (just to note that I'm not trying to grab that and run).

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What they implemented was a mistake.
And, sure, they may hold onto this mistake stubbornly as they have done with many other things, but it's a mistake nonetheless.

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On a more on-topic note, I have to agree. I'm not a "serious" PvPer, but being an eclectic person I like to poke my nose in everything at least a little. I think if the devs were trying to get borderline people interested, the worst thing they could have done is have your powers work SO differently. I think it's less perceived as "Oh, boy, something different!" than "Oh, crap...nothing I know already works right. I have to learn all over again."

Or maybe if they'd scaled UP it would have been better. I know the numbers not at all, but I've been in my SG's Arena ladder tourny for about a year, and I've never seen so many 0-0 ties as I have recently. It's like fighting in mud and "hitting like a girl" (no offense to the female gender meant ). This kind of thing isn't going to appeal to the PvEer who's been rolling easily over the standard mobs. It's not more challenging, it's more like being handicapped.

I also have to go along with Arcanaville...just the fighting itself isn't going to get population into the zones. It's got to have a certain PvE "fun" factor, or most will just ignore them. Unfortunately I have no suggestions on how to do that (but saw several good ideas in this thread).

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Some just play dress-up and the combat is really a form of theater for their characters.

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Thanks! I never really could put a handle on my play-style, but that's pretty much it in a nutshell!

I often wonder if I'm the only one that talks to NPCs and fires off my battle-cry when I'm soloing. OK, I'm sick I need help...

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You do yourself a great disservice by not reading the actual OP and the OP's later post.

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I did, actually. I just didn't have any comment on that. Yup, some are broken.

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You people throw invalid argument after invalid argument against being able to log out to character selection. Keyloggers, simply opening up your notepad items, deleting vital information and files, or erasing your hard drive and disabling your restore points. So many options and you think this malicious person only cares about your stupid toons on a video game? Really?

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The arguments aren't invalid, as these things actually DO happen. What you're debating is their significance, not their validity. The counter argument being that the time lost going back to log-in isn't significant, therefore why even bother messing with it.

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Quote where I said anything about time lost. I didn't.

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You don't need to say it. It's the only possible reason to object to it. And, if you'll note, I didn't SAY you said it, I said it was the counter-argument used.

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My argument is that is should be an option to those who want it and available through Account Management. At no time have I presented any other argument.

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I don't really have an opinion on that one way or the other (non-issue for me).

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Those other arguments are invalid because any number of things can happen to their PC leaving it unattended and logged into their user account. They're not safeguarding their own PCs regardless of the game itself so that's their own problem.

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A very libertarian view that NCSoft obviously does not share.

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There's still no reason presented why it shouldn't be an option for those who want it with the added security of enabling or disabling it being available only through Account Management.

Unless you feel like claiming I said something I didn't say all over again.

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There were plenty of reasons given. You dismiss them all as "stupid", seemingly because they don't apply specifically to you.

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OP is just another DOOOOOM spreader, trying to stir things back up.

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I'm trying to decide which type I prefer. The screaming, yelling and frothing at the mouth DOOOOOOMsters are more entertaining, but the sad and disappointed types tend to have a little more depth....

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You people throw invalid argument after invalid argument against being able to log out to character selection. Keyloggers, simply opening up your notepad items, deleting vital information and files, or erasing your hard drive and disabling your restore points. So many options and you think this malicious person only cares about your stupid toons on a video game? Really?

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The arguments aren't invalid, as these things actually DO happen. What you're debating is their significance, not their validity. The counter argument being that the time lost going back to log-in isn't significant, therefore why even bother messing with it.

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FLUFF. Don't be afraid to say it with me. Additional badges and maybe, sometimes, possibly useful temporary buffs aren't progression. We did NOT need patrol xp. Its a passive gameplay system which *gasp* needs no actual gameplay. I'm sure people just went wild with the logging off and looked forward to not playing even more...

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Actually, it was kind of nice to have the 50 or so toons I hardly touch any more to actually have "something to do".

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Also, you get banned if you use it.



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YOU'RE NOT HELPING!!!

It's easy if you're in no hurry. I have over a hundred characters, twenty-six on Victory alone, and I find time when I can. I have two 50s and wasn't in any hurry to get there, either. I'm a super-hero geek from WAAAAAY back and you can't believe the amount of ideas that gives me (or maybe you do...I dunno, but most are shocked...and somewhat appalled).

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Outside of the groupthink that occurs in the offices of paragon studious and the forumites on these boards, highhanded tactics and threatening epistles like posis don't go over to well.

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The only mistake Posi made was using his "dad voice", although I certainly understand why he did. His content was spot on and never threatened the player base, but did threaten (and meant to) certain individuals exhibiting certain behavior. Most rational people would read it as "well, he sounds pretty pissed, but...so?". Not as "OMG, he's going to go on a mass toon/account deleting party!! DOOOOOOOM!"

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I only extend vendors limited prerogatives to dictate to their customers.

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Which is a bit odd as it's contrary to reality. Where did people get the idea that being a customer means telling someone how to run their business? 'Tis the other way around. Vendors do what they want and leave the choice for you to be their customer or not.

Don't bother, Pain. They'll just strip you of the crown when those "naughty pictures" surface.

EDIT: It's OK, LISAR, I got it.

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160-170 here last I checked.

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I bow to your altism, sir! People think I'M nuts, and I've just barely cleared the century mark.

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If you are playing the game in an environment where your system can be compromised, you probably shouldn't be playing the game there at all.

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Ok then I guess you are offering to buy computers for all the customers that don't own one and have to play in places like internet cafes, colleges, libraries, game stores etc. that have internet access.

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That would make the most sense. I mean, come ON, it's taking a whole extra 30 seconds and some keystrokes! Let's eliminate this abomination!!!!

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But really, to me, it just comes off as silly.

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I do not see this as a problem.

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Free web page hosting sites should never have been allowed in the first place. They promote unhealthy frivolity and jocularity.

Now if only I could find another one. But I suppose they really are a thing of the past.

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Google "free website hosting". There's still a ton out there, and almost all of them better than Geocities EVER was.

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Mwuahahahaa...

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!


Errr... wait... ohhhhhhhhhhhh newbies >.> right <.<; uhmm... *hides chainaxe*

As to the actual topic...

I've not noticed much honestly; but to be fair, I play AE almost entirely these days, and I solo, so I'm kind of away from most folks most of the time.

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Sooo. A self proclaimed loner and recluse with access to dangerous motorized sharp things...

Am I the only one who sees where that usually leads to?

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A three picture deal with sequel options?

Well, as long as one of them wears the Pink Power Ranger suit...

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ANother good strategy is to take the one word that best describes the character (or powersets) and then change a letter or two. Like "laser" turns into "Phazor." "Fire" can be changed into "Phyer" (overused, but you get the idea.)

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It IS a strategy. Readers of '90s comics would likely dispute the "good" part, though.

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Yes but my perspective has a 1000 years of jurisprudence and cultural norms behind it.

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You really don't. This isn't a court of law or anything like it. This is you paying to "go over to someone else's house" to play with their toys. Their rules, whether you agree with them or not. Specifics are not given to avoid exactly the kind of "rules lawyering" you're thriving on.

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and you would be wrong. Just like letting some one spend the night at your house. Once money is exchanged, different rules apply. You must go through eviction proceedings before you can remove them, if you have accepted their money.

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I work in a hotel. You couldn't be more wrong.

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Your mini bars have price lists ?

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What "mini-bars"?