Dechs Kaison

No. No one can do that. Because your PB will not look like anyone else's. That's half of what these guys are saying.

No, I'd like to balance brutes better, considering I've seen no evidence that tankers are in need of improvement.

That still doesn't mean that MMs as a whole need help. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks mercs and ninjas are doing well compared to their cousins.

The Tanker damage modifier is already higher than a Brute.

I must not have been clear. I have yet to see evidence that either of the following are true:

1. Tanks are out of balance and need help.
2. Tanks are not popular.

Maybe I missed it, but who is trying to increase Tanker popularity, and why?

It has nothing to do with "have to." There's nothing that says you must take Hasten. But the simple mechanics of the AT want for recharge, and Hasten is the best place to get some.

Let's assume that you really do "have to" take it. Even if that were true, I'd still want it. Because I want Eclipse up more often. I want Unchain Essence up more often. I want Lightform, Solar Flare, Photon Seekers, Extract Essence, Stygian Circle, Heals... everything.

It's not quite like the analogy THB presented. You may not have to press the gas pedal to the floor if you are in a race. But why would you not want to?

It's a tool that's available and you'd only "have to" be a nut not to take and use that tool.

Good question. I don't see why not.

And it's not lazy. Some people don't have all the time that you our even I might. They spend their time working and earning cash instead. If they want to better fund the game's development, I say we let them. In the end, we all enjoy the game more.

Because the OP doesn't want to spend all the time to switch sides from hero to villain and back to hero just to get scorpion shield.

A harsh as these words are, I agree with every bit of them. Kheldians benefit from recharge more than almost everyone else (illusion controllers are the possible exception).

If you are going to shoot yourself in the foot, you really can't complain if you don't have a band-aid big enough.

This is incorrect. Interface and Judgement deal the same damage for everybody. In fact, for Tanks, they deal more thanks to bruising.

If you have a Brute doing 200 DPS and a tank doing 150 DPS and increase both by the same number (Let's say 50), you actually bring them closer together. They're still 50 DPS apart, but 50 DPS is smaller compared to 250 than when compared to 200.

Conversely, if two ATs are defeating things in three attacks, does it matter that the Brute spent a ton of damage on overkill? Because that's how a lot of missions play out.

To the vast majority of players and missions, Tanks survive better than Brutes and Brutes deal more damage. You have yet to prove that this survivability edge is as trivial as you mention. I have high end Tanks and Brutes. I notice the survivability difference.

Brutes deal more damage than Tanks.

But, especially with IOs and Incarnate powers, Tanks can deal damage so well that it doesn't really matter that they do it worse than Brutes. Defeating things consistently means you are dealing enough damage; as much as you need to. Having more than that is largely pointless in that situation.

If melee ATs have their damage balanced against their survival, then it becomes a bit unfair when you allow all of them to throw nukes and have equal DoT procs on all their attacks (like with level shifts, Judgement and Interface Powers and Hybrid Melee) yet maintain the damage mitigation differences relative to each other.

It becomes most unfair to the AT balanced on the far damage dealing end of the spectrum that gives up survival in order to do things like deal a few more points of damage that likely get wasted on overkill, grab Judgement and Reactive Interface and then beat those hazard spawns while retaining superior survivability.


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I'm not sure I agree with this.

Damage is a part of the threat formula, and everything else is equal when it comes to Tanks and Brutes. Against a single target, I'm pretty sure a Brute will get the aggro every time as long as the powersets are equal. Bruising would push it back in Tank favor, but I think the technical caster for that power is the target, not the tank.

Against an actual crowd, though, Gauntlet is far better for keeping all the aggro. That's why I don't disagree. I'm just not sure I agree.

I think you are forgetting that Black Dwarf gets one more attack than its pixie counterpart.

This is why I stress the MFing State of Mind in my guide. It's not exactly intuitive to think about having access to all your attacks all the time. Yes, the Dwarf and Nova attacks have 2 extra seconds attached to the first one in a chain, but they're always available.

The highlighted is a false premise, or at the very least, a premise that cites no evidence to support it.

Therefore the conclusion is not supported by the argument being made.

Also, I'd like to note that your third premise is worded in such a way as to bring about a conclusion. That is to say, it uses the "begging the question" logical fallacy. It should be worded "Tankers mitigate damage better than Brutes."

I believe the term for that is your "praetorian alternate."