Darth_Khasei

I see people here say the BAF is easy etc... all the time. One thing I think that has been lost with a statement like this is perspective.

I recently dinged another 50 and set him on the incarnate path like I had my 35 other 50's. Recently, it appears quite a few people dinged 50 over the holidays and were bringing their recent 50+0 to the BAF and LAM. The fail rate was MUCH higher than it had been and this was with veteran incarnate players with multiple I trial runs that knew exactly what to do.

Try a 24 man BAF with 3/4 non level shifted toons on a "PUG" and you begin to realize there is a WIDE gap in performance of a majority 50+0 league vs a majority 50+++ league and that failing ANY of these trials can and does happen.

Poppicock.

Spot On mate.

No, that is not what I wrote, but I see you like to rewrite what people have said and act upon that instead of what they actually said. Have at it mate.

Yes, its been mentioned(about elitists) in game and here in various threads in the forum.

Yes, I have completed all of the incarnate trials, but no on all of my toons save the BAF and LAM.

The trials have not made me angry at all nice try though., The reality is most of the gimmicks need to hit the road period.

Is it worth playing anymore? IDK I played mine the other night and had a blast. YMMV.

This kind of elitist condescending response to legitimate concerns is part of the disconnect that has been mentioned.

Thank you.

Its on purpose. I was saying in the other thread that there appears to be some kind of extra rooting effect being applied. Now the patches magically appear under you randomly, root you, grow and then DOT pulse you to death so even after leaving it you get a full dose or two of death DOT.

There is nothing hard about a failed gimmick mechanic that is broken.

I don't think anyone is trying to say that "no one" likes the UG, TPN, and MOM. The facts say they are not as popular as the trials the majority of people like to run and there are many different reasons for the lack of popularity.

I respect that there are people that enjoy the gimmick filled new trials, but the fact remains that the majority of the wider player base does not.YMMV.

I put the important part in bold. Yes it is and the attempt to gate the new incarnate powers behind a 15 EM gate showed that among MANY MANY other things the devs do.

Don't get me wrong I think that there should be more challenging trials than BAF and LAM. However, they should not rely on level shifted AV's and increasing reliance on a further expansion of the ring mechanic from the BAF.

If they continued to use that one I think you would see more people running those trials. Instead they colored it a different color made it root you and magically appear under mid animation of an attack and then DOT pulse kill you to death. The very fact that the majority of deaths come from gimmicks just shows how broken that one is...not to mention to babysitting fails.

The disconnect is not just the devs to the wider player base its also the forumites to the larger player base as well. If the wider player base felt those gimmicks were fun, fair or a challenge they would be playing those trials instead of avoiding them.

Incarnates is a smaller population of the overall VIP population is my point. To then slice that up even further is not a good idea for any reason IMHO. "IF" they were going to do a cross server for incarnates that would cut down on that as an issue. I have always disliked the fact that we are not all in one world like EVE.

I was not talking about levels 1-50. I was talking about the fragmentation of "incarnates" further from "other" incarnates. Sorry if what I said was not clear on that point.

Incarnate fragmentation is not a good thing for the game IMHO.

As I stated you are forced to react already with the BAF and the bosses coming at you from various directions. If the league does not move and react to them it can and has lead to cascade fail as it should.

In terms of what I would do, I would use my data mined information on the TF's that have been there for years and see what people liked about the ones that the majority of people ran the most. I would remove the level shifted AV's from the new trials as it serves as nothing more than a catalyst for fragmentation of the player base.

The devs could stand to do what other companies have when faced with what I see as a slight disconnect with the larger player base and use brief specific focus surveys. They spend a tremendous amount on the BETA server and also do e-mails. I think a brief e-mail survey or even a focus group could really help the devs reconnect with the wider player base outside of the forums.

Failing to do this will lead to further disconnect and further player base fragmentation and none of us want that.

No they don't, that's you assuming or just saying that to make it look like that is what is meant, which is the standard internet silliness.

The issue is not about having to move with the rings at all, the issue is "why" was this type of mechanic introduced? If the reason is to get people to react, there is plenty to react to with the various groups of bosses appearing in mass from various directions etc... and frankly it should have stopped there.

It didn't and we had a further progression of this mechanic with the green hold and kill patches in the Keyes trial along with a damage pulse from hell that has some thematic basis, but of course was nerfed to a reasonable level. The way it was people were dying from this and that should never be the reason people die in a TF or trial...it was insane.

As I stated the rings are something that is not overly done in the BAF, but it set them down the road of what I consider a much more serious issue that has us with the MOM. The growing blob like pink rings of death that just "seem" to magically appear under you growing mid attack "rooting" you just long enough for the DOT of Death(another over harsh damage pulse like mechanic) to kill you.

I won't even get into the babysitting deal you they have going in several trials now since that is an old weaksauce gaming mechanic devs have fallen back on for going on three decades now...

I have completed the MOM and UG a few times each, but never had fun or felt like I would like to run them on a regular basis. The fails on those trials in particular has always felt like a loss to the mechanics and not the trials themselves. I have not had that feeling with any other content in the five years of playing this game until those trials.

I am not close to the only one that feels this (in game not the forums) and it is something that the devs can learn from or go further down the mechanic path, further alienating and fragmenting the very people they say they want to play together.

I never said what you wrote and you automatically assumed I would just want to stand there, which is in fact absurd and is only stated by you in an attempt to minimize the facts I stated.

That's cool mate. It does not address the issue regarding the absurdity of the gimmicks, but I guess it makes you feel better to say that stuff I did not say.....